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= December 12 =

03:22:07, 12 December 2022 review of draft by Kamalika Basu
Kamalika Basu (talk) 03:22, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

This draft consists of Hinduism, Philosophy, Pilgrims and Shaktism.
 * Keep your $deity, they want me dead. Your first (publisher, ISBN/OCLC#), second (publisher, ISBN/OCLC#), and third (publisher, ISBN/OCLC#) references are all missing critical bibliographical information. —Jéské Couriano  v^&lowbar;^v  a little blue Bori 04:31, 12 December 2022 (UTC)


 * What the hell ? I am not creating any propaganda.All books are available. You can buy those books or read as pdf. Read "নানারূপে সতীঅঙ্গ" by sujgata pine. Kamalika Basu (talk) 04:42, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
 * @Kamalika Basu: do you have a question you wish to ask? The draft has been resubmitted and is pending review. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 07:25, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
 * , when I read the first two paragraphs of your draft, I have absolutely no idea what you are writing about. This is a worldwide encyclopedia, and you need to explain the topic in a way that a high school student in South Africa or a college student in New Zealand or a 70 year old college graduate in California (like me) can understand. I think that I am pretty smart but I cannot make heads or tails out of your draft. Cullen328 (talk) 09:04, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Ok . I didn't understand that problem. Now you helped me to make out. Thank you. I will try my best. Kamalika Basu (talk) 11:12, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

08:07:58, 12 December 2022 review of draft by Karmaker
Need a neutral perspective on the subject.

Karmaker (talk) 08:07, 12 December 2022 (UTC)


 * @Karmaker: that is precisely what you get, when the draft is reviewed. Or if you have another question in mind, then please be specific. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 08:20, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Eliminate all promotional jargon and slang like "fin-tech" and "expat" and "assist initiatives" and "digitize infrastructure" and "m-governance strategy" and "advocacy for social change" and "core focus" and "shares his insights from the south" and "advocating inclusive achievement of Sustainable Development Goals". That is all meaningless babble of no encyclopedic value which should be ruthlessly trimmed from the draft. Do not try to insert a marketing brochure into the encyclopedia. The Neutral point of view is a core content policy and compliance with it is mandatory. Cullen328 (talk) 08:55, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Very helpful. Thank you. Can I add his work achievements? His work during Rohingya influx and COVID emergency in Bangladesh helped millions. Karmaker (talk) 04:13, 15 December 2022 (UTC)

10:16:35, 12 December 2022 review of draft by JanLuKr
I don't understand the critics. I have worked in Arren Bar-Even's research group in 2017 but do not consider this any conflict of interest since we only had a professional relationship. All the sources cited to outline his outstanding contributions to the field of synthetic biology and metabolic engineering are from peer-reviewed journals. How can I resolve this issue? I can also make a statement declaring no conflict of interest but I have never seen this in any wikipedia article.

Best,

Jan

JanLuKr (talk) 10:16, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
 * If you worked with the person you are writing about, that is indeed considered a conflict of interest. If the work was part of your job, that also counts as paid editing. 331dot (talk) 10:22, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
 * @JanLuKr: in that case you need to revise WP:COI, because there clearly is a conflict, which you must disclose. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 10:23, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Alright, thank you very much for the input. I will add the (minimal) COI information on the article. I was not paid for any of my work on the wikipedia article but did it in my leisure time. JanLuKr (talk) 10:39, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Sorry to bother you again but I am struggling to find the best way of disclosing my COI. I was a bachelor student in Arren Bar-Even's research group in 2017 and now I am doing my PhD in a similar research field without any relation to Arren Bar-Even (he died in 2020). I am simply fascinated by his research and would like to pay tribute to his contributions to the field of synthetic biology and metabolic engineering. Do you have advice abot how to disclose my COI on the article of Arren Bar-Even? It is my first time writing a wikipedia article and I am a bit lost in the terminologies.
 * Thank you so much in advance! JanLuKr (talk) 10:51, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
 * , just make a similar declaration on your talk page. Please be aware that Wikipedia is not a place to "pay tribute" to anyone. Strict neutrality is a core content policy. Cullen328 (talk) 19:09, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

12:42:29, 12 December 2022 review of submission by Controlvalue
Hi,

I hope you are well.

My recent draft of Professor Reinhard Pekrun (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Reinhard_Pekrun) was deleted, arguing that it looks more like an advertisement. However, the I modeled the page after entries for others psychologists, like Rich M. Ryan (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_M._Ryan). Could you please clarify why the writing style was not appropriate in this, but it was acceptable in other very similar pages?

Furthermore, there is already a German Wikipedia article about Professor Reinhard Pekrun (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reinhard_Pekrun), but that article is out of date, which is why I started working on a new page in the first place. How can I edit my draft to make it more suitable for the Wikipedia guidelines?

Best regards, Tiia Ladvelin

TL Controlvalue (talk) 12:42, 12 December 2022 (UTC)


 * @Controlvalue: you shouldn't model your drafts based on existing articles, as they may also have problems which you won't want to replicate; you should instead follow the various guidelines. In any case, promotionality (is that a word?) has much more to do with tone and style of writing, than with article structure and contents, so even if you are modelling yours on a good article you may still be introducing promotional tone and 'spin'. That said, I can't advise what specifically was wrong with your draft, as it's been deleted. All I can say is that you must write in neutral point of view and avoid puffery etc.
 * The fact that an article on this person exists in another language version of Wikipedia is immaterial, as each language version is a separate project, with their own guidelines and policies.
 * Last but not least, you must formally disclose your conflict of interest (COI) in this matter, and to help you do that I have posted a message on your talk page. Best, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 13:02, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

13:24:45, 12 December 2022 review of draft by LMRizzo
My first reviewer mentioned that the draft needs multiple published sources that are: in-depth (not just brief mentions about the subject or routine announcements), reliable, secondary, and strictly independent of the subject. The page is about a mining company that produces its own optimization software for open-pit problems. I have briefly written about the company's history and the optimization software they produce. These have been cited through newspapers and scientific articles. I have removed information contained in the company's LinkedIn page, since the reviewer mentioned I should not use LinkedIn, even if it is to disclose information released by the company itself. I have added multiple research works that have used the software in a variety of ways. I would like to know if there is anything else I can do in the meantime to improve my submission.

LMRizzo (talk) 13:24, 12 December 2022 (UTC)


 * @LMRizzo: you're essentially asking for a fast-track review of the draft, which isn't something we do here at help desk. That said, I have had a quick look, and the sources seem mostly primary, whereas notability by WP:GNG requires significant coverage in multiple independent and reliable secondary sources. For the benefit of the next reviewer, you may wish to highlight (eg. on the draft talk page) the THREE sources that are strongest in terms of meeting the GNG standard. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 13:51, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

15:18:16, 12 December 2022 review of submission by Rubiesar
Rubiesar (talk) 15:18, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

hello, you said that you smell paid editing and COI from this submission but no one has being paid to work on the page.

I am sure this article meets all the Wikipedia standards and requirements according to Wiki guidelines. My article is about BJ Sam, an international singer and producer who assembles extremely gifted musicians and vocalists from all the continents of the world to create beautiful eclectic and delightful music for international projects, advertisement, broadcast, film and digital media. BJ Sam was born in Nigeria and left the country when his music career began to bloom.

Kindly checkout his new release "Merry Christmas" featuring over 20 high profile musicians from all the continents of the world, which include Oscar nominee, Paul Raci, who is currently premiering his new film, Butcher’s Crossing with Nicholas Cage; Bollywood legend, Jaspinder Narula; Grammy voting pianist and journalist for York Times, Charu Suri; Monaco ballet star-singer, Lorena Baricalla; Ghanaian artiste, Diana Hopeson; and Japanese actor, Shinnosuke. All the acts drew on every last drop of their creativity and skill to give the world an impeccable Christmas song. If you are yet to see BJ Sam's news on CNN, BBC, NBC etc, checkout the following: The Vanguard https://www.vanguardngr.com/2022/12/bj-sam-sets-global-record-with-merry-christmas/ Guardianhttps://guardian.ng/saturday-magazine/weekend-beats/international-star-bj-sam-brings-the-groove-back-home The SUN https://www.sunnewsonline.com/with-merry-christmas-bj-sam-sets-global-record/ Yahoo https://www.yahoo.com/news/bj-sam-releases-first-universal-073300596.html Bgospel https://www.bgospel.com/merry-christmas-a-multicultural-melodic-christmas-song-by-bj-sam/ Journal http://journalofgospelmusic.com/christmas/merry-christmas-bj-sam/ Bloomberg https://www.bloomberg.com/press-releases/2021-05-18/flare-tech-nigeria-limited-bj-sam-has-brought-music-stars-from-all-the-continents-of-the-world-to-sing-together-in-harmony Brazilian News https://gazetadasemana.com.br/noticia/56698/bj-sam-lanca-videoclipe-da-musica-merry-christmas--a-primeira-cancao-universal-de-natal Japan News https://japan.zdnet.com/release/30625753/ French News https://www.nouvelles-du-monde.com/bj-sam-a-amene-des-stars-de-la-musique-de-tous-les-continents-du-monde-a-chanter-ensemble-en-harmonie/

16:57:59, 12 December 2022 review of draft by LinoDom
Hi, I reread my submission and cannot find where it reads as non-objective or not encyclopedia-like, which were the reviewers comments. All statements seem to me to be factual, no hyperbole, and descriptive. External third party articles included also supported the statements I wrote. I just don't know what to do be more neutral...

LinoDom (talk) 16:57, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia is not a place to merely tell about something, Wikipedia summarises what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about a topic, showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of notability. Theroadislong (talk) 17:05, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

19:10:28, 12 December 2022 review of submission by PressgirlV
Hi I have added a bunch of web citations to verify various parts of the big and the discog, including the No.1 chart position citation for the 'Rejoice in rightteousness' single, this is an offline citation as Echoes Magazine was not online in 1989, but as Paul W (previous reviewer said) said you would accept offline citations. Bukky Leo is a prolific artist who has been recording for decades. The problem is that for black artists like him, he puts the work in recording and collaborating and leading his own band, but it is very difficult to get the notable links you require, but you can see there is a Guardian citation, again it is offline as it was in the newspaper before the internet. But I have the scans if you want proof. It is a shame that artists like Bukky have to jump through hoops to get verified on Wiki, when other lesser known and less prolific artists can get a Wiki page with comparative ease. In any case, thank you for your time. I admit there are some coding errors in the WIki, which I don't know how to fix. But hope you will now see that there are plenty of citations and certifications of Bukky's extensive catalogue and agree that this is ready to approve?

Thank you! PressgirlV (talk) 19:10, 12 December 2022 (UTC)


 * @PressgirlV: proposed articles on "artists like Bukky" (whatever you may be implying with that) have to "jump through hoops" just the same as those on any other subject; it is precisely that, which the AfC review process is trying to ensure. (Of course, not every article goes through the review, and some even pre-date the process entirely.)
 * In any case, this draft has been rejected, following multiple earlier declines, and will therefore not be considered further. If some new evidence of notability has come to light since it was rejected, you may present that to the rejecting reviewer directly, but please understand that without a substantively stronger case, the rejection is unlikely to be reversed. Best, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 19:39, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Request on 21:02:42, 12 December 2022 for assistance on AfC submission by Gettycads
Absolutely rude verbiage from reviewers, aggression, rudeness and bullying.

Gettycads (talk) 21:02, 12 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Enough already. Thank you. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 21:03, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
 * We are volunteers and under no obligation to allow you to waste our time with junk. Slywriter (talk) 21:09, 12 December 2022 (UTC)