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= December 13 =

08:23:34, 13 December 2022 review of submission by Hairmer
I would like to point out that he meets WP:ANYBIO, which states "The person has received a well-known and significant award or honor, or has been nominated for such an award several times;" He has received awards from well known industry publications (Ad Age, AdWeek and Fast Company) as well as Distinguished Alumni Award from Ohio State University. The awards are from premier publications in the Ad industry as well as a top University. Note that the award providers also have Wikipedia pages, so they are well known publications.
 * He is known for developing campaigns featuring company brand icons such as Progressive’s Flo and Progressive's Dr. Rick and the Aflac Duck. Also check Dr. Rick page, he is mentioned in there, as he helped develop this idea.
 * Also check several articles about him, from various credible publications such as Wall Street Journal, bizjournals 1,bizjournals 2, AdAge, OSU.edu and more.
 * It would make sense if this article was declined due to its content, but it won't make sense that he is not notable, so please have another look and tell me how it can be improved for another consideration. He meets criteria for notability of WP:ANYBIO as well as WP:BASIC.

Hairmer (talk) 08:23, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Awards don't typically contribute to notability unless the award itself merits an article(like Nobel Peace Prize or Academy Award). He may be notable, but the sources offered are inappropriate for establishing that, as noted by the reviewer. This is why the draft was rejected, and will not be considered further at this time. 331dot (talk) 08:57, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
 * None of the sources you link to in your post is secondary, and it doesn't look like any of them is independent, either – I can't be sure about the adage one which is behind a paywall, but the others are based on press releases (the wsj one and the second bizjournals one is the same press release, minimally rewritten), except for the osu.edu one which is an "old alumnus profile" type text based on quotes from Cherney. --bonadea contributions talk 12:36, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
 * WP:ANYBIO says "well-known and significant award or honor"... All 3 awards are well known in the industry.I do not see that it says that it needs to be Nobel or Academy award. If there is such policy, please send the link here. In addition the "Distinguished Alumni Award from Ohio State University" is an honor. Your reasoning that these news are press releases are not valid, because if it was a press release then it would say so, specially when it is a major publication such as WSJ. Major publications often write based on a press releases. i.e if Tesla is launching their latest model, they put out a press release and publications would write about it. As long as the article is unique and not copied from a press release, then it is not a press release. Often times also publications rewrite popular stories from their competing publications, that doesn't mean it was a press release. If you look at this way, any corporate news is a press release. If there is any relevant policy about this, please send the link as I have not seen anything like that.
 * Also take a look at these fastcompany, thejournalonline, Adweek, .cleveland.com/
 * Also note that BASIC States "If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability" .. currently there are 24 citations used, but there are many more out there. Hairmer (talk) 17:49, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Could I get some additional comments on my question above? tagging @David10244 @Theroadislong @lettherebedarklight @Slywriter Hairmer (talk) 05:43, 19 December 2022 (UTC)
 * , Press releases are useless, alumni awards are worth nothing for notability, being mentioned in the NYT as spokesperson doesn't mean anything, and awards that have no independent coverage and are only mentioned by the issuer are not notable. No idea if that leaves any credible sources because I stopped looking once it was clear there were significant issues. Slywriter (talk) 05:52, 19 December 2022 (UTC)
 * @Hairmer I don't have anything to add... David10244 (talk) 10:29, 22 December 2022 (UTC)

16:35:34, 13 December 2022 review of submission by Hickeygamez
This page was originally declined due to a lack of independent sources. It has since been cited in multiple news articles particularly due to a recently published antisemitism article. The page has been updated to include these sources. It was also simplified to reduce unnecessary info. I am asking for it to be removed from the "reject" pile so I can submit it again in the future. Hickeygamez (talk) 16:35, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

16:38:09, 13 December 2022 review of submission by Stts02
My page is for a cult-classic Indie Game created recently, and I'm requesting it for review, fix with the tables allignment and public visibility. Stts02 (talk) 16:38, 13 December 2022 (UTC)


 * @Stts02: the draft won't be reviewed, until you submit it for review.
 * If you submit it as it currently stands, it will be declined for lack of referencing and any evidence of notability (plus possibly other reasons as well).
 * 'Public visibility' comes after it has been published; that's pretty much the definition of it. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 16:52, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Oh, and by 'table alignment' you probably mean that you want to do an infobox (which, among other things, aligns to the right). In which case you need Template:Infobox video game (not that it matters in what comes to your draft's chances of being accepted). -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 16:55, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
 * I fixed the infobox for you :) Hairmer (talk) 17:57, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

Request on 17:14:39, 13 December 2022 for assistance on AfC submission by Sriram6419

 * You duplicated your draft here(unnecessary as it is linked to above), but did not ask a question. Your draft was rejected, and will not be considered further. 331dot (talk) 17:26, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

Request on 17:51:01, 13 December 2022 for assistance on AfC submission by Journalcontributor
My entry keeps getting rejected, I have used the 'live chat' for help and they went through a lot/ checked the sources with me, so I'm not sure what else i can do.

Journalcontributor (talk) 17:51, 13 December 2022 (UTC)


 * @Journalcontributor: what else you can do is, you need to rewrite this in a neutral tone and content, as explained in the decline notices. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 08:11, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

Request on 20:59:39, 13 December 2022 for assistance on AfC submission by 46.244.90.165
I created a new article about an interesting restaurant, but it was not approved for publishing claiming that it's more like advertisement and that I didn't use any reliable sources. Even though I used around 10 different news articles/videos (none of them was written or published by the restaurant owners), as they are all published by different news agencies.

So, I am seeking your help in improving the article and getting it published. Thank you

46.244.90.165 (talk) 20:59, 13 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Well, taking the question about sources first: among the 10 sources are three copies of the exact same text from 21 March this year, and two copies of another text from 2015 . All these are clearly press releases, which means that they are not independent of the restaurant. (Surely you must have noticed that they were identical?)


 * Secondly, the tone in the draft is promotional. I'm afrait it reads exactly like an advert. --bonadea contributions talk 21:33, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
 * In my opinion, this sounds like a run-of-the-mill restaurant.  I cringe at thinking that an encyclopedia needs articles on restaurants.   That is the purpose of travel guides and search engines and sites like Yelp.  We don't want to put those sites out of business by taking over their  functions, do we (humor)?
 * There are millions of restaurants in the world, and they come and go, sometimes quickly. David10244 (talk) 06:57, 16 December 2022 (UTC)

I disagree. the first three resources you mentioned are about the same news article that was published on 3 different news agencies. I don't know if you can read Arabic, but it is a feature story and not a press release. As for the 2 other sources, they talk about the same event, but they are published by 2 different news agencies and are not the same, even though they talk about the same event. They are covered differently.

Again, none of the sources are press releases as you claim. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.244.90.165 (talk) 21:50, 13 December 2022 (UTC)


 * 3 (or 2) identical texts = 1 source. That the same text was published in different places does not turn it into different sources. Again, you cannot possibly have missed the fact that these texts are identical. What purpose does it serve to have multiple copies of the same text? As for "not press releases" – that's incorrect, the first one is clearly labelled Wafa (and one of the places it's published is wafa.ps, which is kind of a giveaway!). I know it can be tricky to spot this kind of thing, but once you know what to look for, it gets easier. --bonadea contributions talk 22:20, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

I don't think it's a big deal or discredits anything is the same story was published on 3 different news websites and all three of them were mentioned. At any rate, we can remove any 2 of them and keep the third.

As for the "Wafa", I am 100% that you are mistaken. It's a feature story and not a press release, and I assume that you know the difference. Maybe because you do not know Arabic, so you don't know the content, but try to translate it on google, to see that it's a feature story and not a press release.

Thanks for you comments though. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.244.90.165 (talk) 11:07, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
 * I translated it, and I agree it's a press release- but for the sake of argument let's say you're right- it's still largely an interview with the founder, which is still not an independent source. 331dot (talk) 11:33, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

2603:8001:2902:64F4:C4D9:5800:5165:74D2 review of submission by CNMall41
22:35:57, 13 December 2022 review of submission by 2603:8001:2902:64F4:C4D9:5800:5165:74D2 2603:8001:2902:64F4:C4D9:5800:5165:74D2 (talk) 22:35, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

Request on 22:52:19, 13 December 2022 for assistance on AfC submission by Shobin karimzadeh
Shobin karimzadeh (talk) 22:52, 13 December 2022 (UTC)


 * What is your question, @Shobin karimzadeh? -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 08:07, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

23:09:04, 13 December 2022 review of submission by PressgirlV
I have edited the Wiki again, added in a No. 1 Chart position for the track 'Rejoice In Righteousness' which was from Echoes magazine January 1989, I have the scan, but as it's an offline copy I cannot submit the URL. I have also extensively added citations for every single track on the Discography where you can see Bukky Leo played. I have scans of all the offline content and as Paul W said when I asked for advice, he can accept offline citations in good faith as long as they are notable. Bukky Leo is a respected, prolific artist with decades of work, but sadly as is the case with black musicians, they don't get the notable mentions, but as you can see there is a Guardian review in there, again an offline citation as it was published before The Guardian went online, there are lots of citations. Some very notable ones! Sorry for the errors in the code here and there, I don't know how to tidy that up, I hope you can help on that? Please review this submission. Less prolfic artists with fewer citations can make it and get their Wiki pages published, I know several examples of this, please do not make an old man jump through more hoops to get verified! I can't think of anyone more deserving.

PressgirlV (talk) 23:09, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
 * We don't have "wiki pages", we have articles. This is an important distinction. Please read other stuff exists. Other inappropriate articles existing does not mean that more should be added. As this is a volunteer project where people do what they can when they can, it is possible for inappropriate articles to get by us. We can only address what we know about. If you would like to help out, you are welcome to identify other inappropriate articles you see so we can act on them. As the draft was rejected, it will not be considered further. Please see the comments left by reviewers. 331dot (talk) 23:41, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

I have added another Guardian article as citation, this is notable surely? There are now 2 Guardian citations and 1 Telegraph citation, as well as an Echoes Mag No. 1 chart and various other citations from Southbank Centre, Ronnie Scotts, Resident Advisor, London Jazz News, Mr Bongo, Rhythm Passport and more.

Please tell me which of these articles are not notable enough? PressgirlV (talk) 22:54, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
 * For additional comment, please edit this existing section, instead of creating new sections. It's not the notability of the sources that is the issue- it is the notability of the person you are writing about.  From what I can see, The Guardian piece doesn't even mention this person, never mind that it isn't significant coverage of him.
 * I notice that your name is "PressgirlV"; do you have an association with this musician? 331dot (talk) 23:14, 14 December 2022 (UTC)