Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk/Archives/2022 December 19

= December 19 =

01:43:15, 19 December 2022 review of submission by Jaxon Montan
I felt Bondea did not look at my sources or my comments towards him.

Jaxon Montan (talk) 01:43, 19 December 2022 (UTC)
 * , Tiktok is not a source.Slywriter (talk) 01:46, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

02:29:16, 19 December 2022 review of submission by Btspurplegalaxy
The subject meets WP:BAND as they've charted on a country's national music chart. Btspurplegalaxy 💬 🖊️ 02:29, 19 December 2022 (UTC)


 * According to WP:BAND it should qualify due to charting tracks. The reviewers should check these things before declining the page. (I am not a reviewer, just another editor like you.) Hairmer (talk) 05:47, 19 December 2022 (UTC)
 * You seem to imply that reviewers routinely don't "check these things", which is quite an accusation. Any evidence for that? -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 06:56, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

, message the reviewer who rejected on their talk page and ask for reconsideration based on the new source. I'd note that the article did not have the source when it was rejected and did not meet NBAND until 16 hours ago when another editor added the source. Until then it was too forward looking. Congrats to them on an excellent debut. Slywriter (talk) 06:04, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

07:14:00, 19 December 2022 review of submission by SumitVerma18
SumitVerma18 (talk) 07:14, 19 December 2022 (UTC)


 * @SumitVerma18: you don't ask a question, but this draft has been rejected and won't be considered again. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 07:31, 19 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi i saw the ask for help link in the rejection and i just clicked it SumitVerma18 (talk) 07:39, 19 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Okay, but the idea is that you then actually ask a question. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 07:44, 19 December 2022 (UTC)
 * thanks for helping me in understanding the use of ask for advice desk, i will ask question next time also can you help me with the better way to find the secondary source so that next time it will not get rejected.. SumitVerma18 (talk) 08:02, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

07:58:36, 19 December 2022 review of draft by SumitVerma18
please help me in finding the more sources

SumitVerma18 (talk) 07:58, 19 December 2022 (UTC)


 * @SumitVerma18: that's not really the point of this help desk. We're all volunteer editors like yourself. Everyone contributes to articles that they are interested in, and it's unlikely that any of the help desk hosts have an interest in this topic (although I can't speak for them, obviously). You may wish to enquire at WP:WikiProject India, but essentially the onus is on you to develop the drafts you've created. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 09:08, 19 December 2022 (UTC)
 * okay SumitVerma18 (talk) 07:18, 27 December 2022 (UTC)

11:33:42, 19 December 2022 review of submission by AZ PALACE, SHAHID NAGAR
AZ PALACE IS A MANSION IN DHAKA. IT IS BUILT IN THE EARLY 21TH CENTURY. AZ PALACE IS SITUATED ON ROAD NO 2 IN SHAHID NAGAR, NEAR THE BUSINESS DISTRICT OF NARAYANGANJ.THE MANSION WAS BUILT BY MD HASAN UZ ZAMAN WHO IS THE ONLY ONE SON OF MD MATIAR RAHAMAN. IT IS THE BIRTH PLACE OF ABDULLAH AL-MUHAYMIN BIN HASAN ZEUS AND MABSHURA TAIYEEBA AURORA. HISTORY MD MATIAR RAHAMAN WAS BOUGHT THE LAND FROM OSMAN GONI. IN 1990, HE BOUGHT THIS LAND AND 1998, BUILT A SEMI PAKA BUILDING FOR HIR HIS LIVING. HE LIVED THIS HOUSE TILL HIS DEATH. IN 2011, MD MATIAR RAHAMAN DIED, AFTER HIS DEATH, HIS LOVING WIFE HALANA BEGUM WAS DEVIDED THIS LAND AMONG HER FOUR DAUGHTER AND ONE SON. MD HASAN UZ ZAMAN WAS GOT THIS LAND BY INHERIET. MD MATIAR RAHAMAN AND HALANA BEGUM IS GRANDPARENTS OF ABDULLAH AL-MUHAYMIN BIN HASAN ZEUS AND MABSHURA TAIYEEBA AURORA. 09 OCTOBER 2017 IS THE BIRTH DATE OF ABDULLAH AL-MUHAYMIN BIN HASAN ZEUS AND 21 JUNE 2022 IS THE BIRTH DATE OF MABSHURA TAIYEEBA AURORA.

AZ PALACE, SHAHID NAGAR (talk) 11:33, 19 December 2022 (UTC)


 * @AZ PALACE, SHAHID NAGAR: firstly, I've already asked you NOT TO SHOUT, it is quite rude and very annoying to read.
 * Secondly, this isn't a question, you've simply reposted the content from your rejected draft. Do you have an actual question you wish to ask? -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 11:39, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

Request on 12:19:33, 19 December 2022 for assistance on AfC submission by Maxbro240
Maxbro240 (talk) 12:19, 19 December 2022 (UTC)
 * @maxbro240: the draft has been rejected, will not be considered further, and is now put up as a candidate for speedy deletion. lettherebedarklight晚安 12:35, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

14:29:45, 19 December 2022 review of draft by Hoenniboenni
Reviewers keep rejecting my edits no matter what I add (references compliant with all policies, references from academic venues, European commission, Government pages etc). I would like to know precisely, which parts of the draft are problematic and in which way. General recommendations like "check citations" are not helpful. Pages: Social robot and draft of QTrobot.

Hoenniboenni (talk) 14:29, 19 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Reviewers are declining, not rejecting, it; rejection would mean it could not be resubmitted. Awards don't usually contribute to notability unless the award itself merits an article(like Nobel Peace Prize or Academy Award). Leaving that out, the draft just documents the existence of the robot and what it does, it doesn't tell us what is significant or influential about it. 331dot (talk) 22:01, 19 December 2022 (UTC)
 * I looked at Wikipedia pages presenting other robots in order to learn from them. I learned from the page about Keepon robot https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keepon that it is fully OK to tell about the robot's technical characteristics, purpose, awards (they even mention how much money they received) and availability (where you can purchase it). So I created a page about another robot that tells about the robot's purpose, awards and technical characteristics, and I collected academic (third-party, peer-reviewed, independent, in-depth etc.) references. However, these things were claimed to be promotional content (in the case of Keepon it was not classified as promotional). So I really need help to understand the difference. Why can Keepon robot talk about its awards on Wikipedia, and QTrobot cannot? Hoenniboenni (talk) 07:41, 20 December 2022 (UTC)
 * @Hoenniboenni As for other articles, please click on this: Other stuff exists. David10244 (talk) 14:02, 21 December 2022 (UTC)

14:39:10, 19 December 2022 review of draft by Meiaz
Just wondering if you guys could give me a hand with this article/draft, I have added further references, what else should I do?

He is a Brazilian music producer and Latin Grammy winner. Daniel Ganjaman currently has an article in the Portuguese Wiki.

Meiaz (talk) 14:39, 19 December 2022 (UTC)


 * @Meiaz: one thing you must do is ensure that the contents are adequately supported by reliable sources; currently several paragraphs are unreferenced, as is eg. the person's DOB.
 * What you could/should do, also, is trim the long list in 'Production credits'. Wikipedia is not meant to catalogue someone's entire output, and only the most notable items should be included. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 15:17, 19 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Great, thanks **) Meiaz (talk) 16:43, 19 December 2022 (UTC)
 * So is it wrong to create production catalogues such as this one:
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nottz_production_discography Meiaz (talk) 19:43, 19 December 2022 (UTC)
 * @Meiaz: it's not 'wrong'; discographies are by definition lists of works. But even they tend to me often summarised in the main article on the person (or band, etc.), and then a full listing provided in a separate article. The point being, you don't want a list of works to dominate an article — if someone has written only three books, by all means list them all; if they've written 300, mention the top 5-10 maybe, and list the lot in a separate article. In any case the list needs to serve some encyclopaedic purpose, not just be a catalogue for the sake of a catalogue. HTH, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 07:28, 20 December 2022 (UTC)
 * OK, thanks for the help **) Meiaz (talk) 12:54, 20 December 2022 (UTC)
 * DoubleGrazing, I made some further changes on the Daniel Ganjaman article, if you have some free time and could take a look. I would appreciate your input before I submit it for a draft review **) Meiaz (talk) 13:14, 20 December 2022 (UTC)

21:38:35, 19 December 2022 review of submission by SertabLeafar
Please explain which of the eight academic-specific criteria was not met.

SertabLeafar (talk) 21:38, 19 December 2022 (UTC)
 * The last reviewer said none of them were met. Let's turn this around, which one do you claim was met? 331dot (talk) 21:54, 19 December 2022 (UTC)