Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk/Archives/2022 December 29

= December 29 =

15:11:06, 29 December 2022 review of draft by 70.123.18.238
Decision to to Decline resubmission. The information contained in this post will not be provided again in the future. Any attempts to represent this knowledge by other submission at a later date will result in legal action and enforceable removal of Intellectual Property.

Wikipedia.org no longer has the right to provide information on this subject matter. 70.123.18.238 (talk) 15:11, 29 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Please log into your account, IP editor, if you have one (eg. are you ?).
 * This draft has been blanked, which will eventually result in its deletion.
 * You really did not want to make that legal threat, though. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 15:18, 29 December 2022 (UTC)

16:07:13, 29 December 2022 review of submission by Raylaur15
Raylaur15 (talk) 16:07, 29 December 2022 (UTC) 16:07:13, 29 December 2022 review of submission by Raylaur15 I am interested in creating a Wikipedia page for the music ensemble Los Pleneros de la 21, a Nuyorican drum/dance group that have been active for forty years. They are mentioned in several Wiki articles, but to date they do not have their own page. There has been a good deal written about them, so there are plenty of primary and secondary sources to cite. This will be totally my initiative and I will receive no compensation from the group or anyone else for creating the page. I have been going to their concerts for a number of years, and know several of the members (as acquaintances, not close friends). Does that constitute a "Conflict of interest" according to Wikipedia rules? I would argue no, since I am not personal friends with anyone in the group, no one in the group has requested that I create a page, and I will receive no remuneration for my writing. But I am still new to Wikipedia editing, having only created on page so far, and want to follow the rules. Your advice here would be appreciated. best, Rayluar 15


 * @Raylaur15: based on your description, you probably do have a conflict of interest (COI); it is a bit borderline, but my advice is — if in doubt, declare it anyway, just to be on the safe side.
 * See WP:YFA for advice on creating the article, and WP:REFB for advice on referencing. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 16:26, 29 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks forthe advice DoubleGrazing. I will declare a COI.
 * peace,
 * Raylaur15 2603:7000:8106:B298:ACE8:6133:B5AA:236F (talk) 19:18, 29 December 2022 (UTC)
 * DoubleGrazing: Thanks for the advice. Could you please give me the exact link to the template to declare a COI?
 * Or is there a place on the Talk or Homepage of my Sandbox where I can simply declare a COI??
 * Or should I wait to actually submit the article before declaring a COI?
 * thanks again,
 * Raylaur15 2603:7000:8106:B298:B1BD:E509:62B7:23A9 (talk) 19:29, 6 January 2023 (UTC)

17:28:22, 29 December 2022 review of submission by Ytong28
Ytong28 (talk) 17:28, 29 December 2022 (UTC) Draft: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:SecureAuth_Corporation

I am interested to create an article for SecureAuth Corporation. The draft have been declined. May I ask the experienced editors out there on how can I improve? Can i get some examples of how can I improve the article based on the feedback? I am not sure where to start. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ytong28 (talk • contribs) 17:30, 29 December 2022 (UTC)
 * It is definitely on the Peacocky side. For starters, don't use anything that SecureAuth has provided either directly from their website or through something like Businesswire other than for the *very* uncontroversial stuff (like their date of founding, office locations and such). The Exact Patents that it holds are pretty much irrelevant. Other examples include "The platform combines desktop login, mobile, and SSO user experiences into a single, seamless, passwordless system to deliver the right user journey for each user." "As SecureAuth IdP originates from the SSO space and reflects a very strong federation and Security Assertion Markup Language (SAML) story, it simplifies the integration of MFA products into a wide range of applications." Those aren't what belongs in an encyclopedia, they are from a marketing division.Naraht (talk) 18:26, 29 December 2022 (UTC)

17:58:53, 29 December 2022 review of submission by Donsylvester66
In any Domain or Industry, There is help associated. every time I submit I get one of these guys that decline my submission with no help. the only note is do not submit again. Why is it so complicated to have a genuine kind person to help me with the errors. or guide me and be clear on where is the issues and point them. do I need to submit Identification. I submitted websites as back up and sources. Please have someone with more patience to look in to this case. and help me fix what needs to be fixed to be able to publish on wikiPedia.

I appreciate your help. Regards, Don Donsylvester66 (talk) 17:58, 29 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Your draft Draft:Karim_Abbista was rejected because it lacked reliable independent sources and showed no evidence of the topic being notable, see Notability (sports) for the criteria.Theroadislong (talk) 18:09, 29 December 2022 (UTC)
 * @Donsylvester66 It might not be clear, but there IS help in the decline notice. In the text of the notice, the words in color (blue, if they have not yet been clicked) are clickable links to much more information that explains  what is needed.  There are also clickable links in Theroadislong's reply here. David10244 (talk) 09:45, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
 * @Donsylvester66 The article also needs inline citations, not just general references at the end.  See referencing for beginners.  Without the inline citations,  readers can't tell what reliable, published, independent source will verify each statement in the article. David10244 (talk) 09:50, 30 December 2022 (UTC)

19:33:01, 29 December 2022 review of draft by River Epstein
Hi, the article has been changed, more concise, and with ref links added. Is the new edit still under examination? If it is please thanks to let me know where i can check the status. Its confusing on the application page.

I have been a fervent donator of wikipedia for years, at my level of income. I respect the quality of the work done to select articles, but I do have to notify the poor elements of answers gave by the moderator or person that check methodically the veracity of the facts.

Everything is made, it seems, to discourage people to submit articles, and in addition of that I find it curious that people who moderates or fact check and give decisions of what pass the criteria established by Wikipedia are proposing, for money, their service to get article posted. I am making ref to an email i received. It seems to me like the methods of the Cosa Nostra.

Looking forward to your answer, meanwhile I wish you all the best for the rest of the year and the year to come, and will give you my support to keep Wikipedia independent and free.

Best, River

River Epstein (talk) 19:33, 29 December 2022 (UTC)


 * The draft is indeed waiting for review, and you should absolutely not pay any money to anyone who emails you and ask for money to review it! Wikipedia editors, including those of us who review draft articles, are volunteers who do this as a hobby, and if someone asks you to pay them for a review, they are trying to scam you. Drafts are not reviewed in any particular order – a draft that is clearly not well-sourced or has other obvious issues is often reviewed and declined quickly, but for more complicated cases it can take a while. I have just gone through the references in the draft and added bibliographic information; a list of bare URLs in the reference list means that the reviewer will have to spend a lot more time on the review, so making sure that the references contain at least a minimum of information is always a good idea. Regards, --bonadea contributions talk 21:41, 29 December 2022 (UTC)

19:56:22, 29 December 2022 review of draft by Cid Zaire
Hello and thank you in advance for the help. I was trying o write more of the article before submitting but I don't know how to save a draft. Can you please help? I have also included information outside the local area now, this article has links to both the U.S. and the Netherlands. I appreciate your help. I promise to get better at this. Thank you! Cid Zaire (talk) 19:56, 29 December 2022 (UTC)


 * @Cid Zaire "publish" equates to saving so when you edit something and click "publish changes" that is saving your changes.  I will leave you some additional information about editing Wikipedia.  S0091 (talk) 19:59, 29 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you! If I have court documents, is there a way I can upload them privately, so you can see that they are reliable?
 * Would it be better to upload them to a site like Scribd?
 * I have also added non-local citations, they are information from the Netherlands. I am hoping this will get my article approved.
 * I appreciate the help. Cid Zaire (talk) 16:08, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia does not host source material like court documents. In any event, court documents are primary sources that do not contribute to notability. 331dot (talk) 16:29, 30 December 2022 (UTC)