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= July 28 =

04:15:46, 28 July 2022 review of draft by Kops2222
I seek help editing my new article on the Kpop music star Ahin. I worked weeks on this new article but it was declined for not having a neutral point of view. Could someone help me edit it to make sure that I am not being biased. She is the first big music star that I know of to speak fluent madarin, fluent English with an American accent, fluent Korean, and japansese and Spanish. This is very rare for a music star at the top of the fame, so i wrote an article about it, but my article was declined as it sounds too complementary, but that was not my intent. Could someone else edit it to make sure it is neutral? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Lee_Ahin

Kops2222 (talk) 04:15, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I see the draft was already resubmitted. I made some minor improvements but would like to suggest two general improvements you should make in the meantime: 1) do not include any info that isn't sourced.  Otherwise, you will start to get into WP:ESSAY territory (which you have), and 2) do not use multiple YouTube videos as sources.  It clutters the sourcing section and doesn't help show notability. TechnoTalk (talk) 21:24, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much. This is very helpful. Kops2222 (talk) 13:54, 29 July 2022 (UTC)

Philippine name
Good day! In what way can I delete a template (Philippine name) and merge to Family name hatnote instead. Please feel free to assist me regarding that particular circumstances. Thank you very much! RenRen070193 (talk) 05:21, 28 July 2022 (UTC)


 * @RenRen070193: this help desk only deals with drafts going through the Articles for Creation (AfC) process; you should try another help facility, such as the TEAHOUSE. Best, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 05:45, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

05:44:25, 28 July 2022 review of draft by Rayanfds
Rayanfds (talk) 05:44, 28 July 2022 (UTC) Made changes to the article and want to verify is it finally ready for submission or do i need to add any additional details if needed.


 * @Rayanfds: there's no such thing as 'ready for submission', really; it's by and large ready when you think it's ready. Whether it's ready for publication is what then gets assessed at the review. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 06:15, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
 * This application got rejected twice for notability of film but now its updated with new citations and informations. My question is does this article gets deleted if it again gets declined?. Rayanfds (talk) 07:58, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
 * It has been declined twice, not rejected. Decline means you can resubmit it once you've addressed the reasons for declining; rejection means you cannot. If you keep resubmitting, especially without any real effort to improve the draft, it may eventually get rejected, but it won't be deleted unless there's a copyright violation or some other inappropriate content, or the draft gets abandoned completely (and even then, it will take six months or more before it's finally deleted). -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 08:18, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I made some structural changes and fixed the grammar. You should find some reviews in the mainstream press before resubmitting. TechnoTalk (talk) 21:11, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
 * thank you for your feedbacks. Rayanfds (talk) 03:05, 29 July 2022 (UTC)

09:47:36, 28 July 2022 review of draft by O.ominirabluejack
Hello.

I'm attempting to submit my draft article Draft:Kouyate family for review, but the wizard seems to be malfunctioning. Could someone please help?

O.ominirabluejack (talk) 09:47, 28 July 2022 (UTC) O.ominirabluejack (talk) 09:47, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
 * You have to click on the blue submit button to submit it. But before you do, it might help if you sourced everything in the article. It's a bit light on sourcing, which is needed to demonstrate notability. TechnoTalk (talk) 20:54, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

13:15:08, 28 July 2022 review of submission by LittleNirvana
I have added sources that shows the WP:SIGCOV of the subject as advised by the last reviewer MissVain on her talk page.

LittleNirvana (talk) 13:15, 28 July 2022 (UTC)


 * @LittleNirvana: this draft has been rejected and will not be considered further.-- DoubleGrazing (talk) 13:24, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

14:20:46, 28 July 2022 review of submission by Artistsbooksforever
Hi, can you suggest how I could make my sources better for the page above? All cited sources are independent, so I'm wondering if there's a length(in pages?) that makes an article or book chapter significant enough to be of value? Thank you in advance! Artistsbooksforever (talk) 14:20, 28 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Hi @Artistsbooksforever: it's not enough that the sources are independent and reliable, they must also be secondary, and provide significant coverage (of the subject directly). I had a quick look at the sources cited here, and couldn't find any that meet all these criteria, with the possible exception of Slash. Admittedly, two of them are offline, and two are behind paywalls (of which one, Forbes, almost certainly doesn't meet the WP:GNG standard), so if you're relying on those in particular then perhaps you could provide more details of their coverage? Best, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 14:33, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I hope I am not taking advantage of you, and I am starting to better understand how some of these sources may seem not significant in coverage.
 * If I'm getting this right, the publications below are to be considered independent, reliable and secondary, and they do provide significant coverage (multiple pages each about the publisher). How can I prove the depth of the coverage? Thank you!
 * Losowsky, A. (2013). Fully booked: ink on paper. Gestalten. pp. 94-99. ISBN 9783899554649
 * Glasner B., Ott S. (2012). Wonder Wood: A Favorite Material for Design, Architecture and Art. Birkhauser. pp. 96-97. ISBN 9783034606738
 * Tuitou, Haydée (Autumn 2018 – Winter 2019). "Mélanie Scarciglia & Christophe Boutin". Apartamento (22): 232–247
 * London Centre for Book Arts (November 8, 2021). Books: Art, Craft & Community. Ludion Publishers. ISBN 9493039528.
 * Roth, A., Aarons, P. E., Lehmann, C. (2017). Artists who make books. Phaidon. p. 305. ISBN 9780714872643 Artistsbooksforever (talk) 15:32, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
 * No advantage taken. We're here to help. I restructured the article a little, but it needs more sources.  I cannot tell from the books how much is about the company.  Hopefully others with access to the free library will help identify the relevant info. I did a simple Google search to find more, and didn't see anything. The Forbes piece mentioned above is written by a "contributor", not a Forbes journalist, which diminishes its value as a reliable source. TechnoTalk (talk) 20:51, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your help! Artistsbooksforever (talk) 07:09, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

16:29:59, 28 July 2022 review of submission by Siddhesh Bhise
Siddhesh Bhise (talk) 16:29, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
 * You don't ask a question, but your draft was rejected, meaning that it will not be considered further. Wikipedia is not social media for people to tell the world about themselves. This is an encyclopedia. 331dot (talk) 16:36, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

17:54:10, 28 July 2022 review of submission by I do care about
I do care about (talk) 17:54, 28 July 2022 (UTC)


 * This draft has been rejected and will not be considered further. We don't cite social media (this includes Reddit) and the Huffington Post piece is useless for notability (too sparse) due to being a listicle. —Jéské Couriano  v^&lowbar;^v  a little blue Bori 19:10, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

Request on 18:16:33, 28 July 2022 for assistance on AfC submission by VwbTalent
Hi there! I was wondering if I could get feedback on my declined draft, Draft:Talent.com - the reason it was declined recently was that it reads like an advertisement. Granted, I do work for this company, but I believe I've written it from a neutral point of view. Is the issue the quality of sources?

FWIW, I modeled my entry off the Indeed Wiki page, so my entry has a similar writing style and quality of sources to that one. Maybe there's something I'm missing?

Any tips or advice would be appreciated, thanks!

VwbTalent (talk) 18:16, 28 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Try modeling it off of a WP:GA or WP:FA article such as Cracker Barrel. The problem with using another article as a template is that you essentially inherit any issues that article has. Most of your draft is about the fundraising/investment, which we earnestly don't care about unless something is massively unusual about it (read: something criminal). Your sources wouldn't factor into the advertizing decline - an article can both be well-sourced and still be written like an ad - but the lot of them are routine business news and thus worthless, minus one interview with company principals. —Jéské Couriano  v^&lowbar;^v  a little blue Bori 19:15, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I made some structural changes, and added some more sources. You still could use more independent media coverage to show notability. For example, I couldn't source the number of offices. But helping 500,000 people every month get a job and having 28,000,000 visitors a month is certainly a notable thing, in my mind. at least. TechnoTalk (talk) 19:38, 28 July 2022 (UTC)