Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk/Archives/2022 June 3

= June 3 =

00:16:11, 3 June 2022 review of draft by 76.20.110.116
I added many reliable sources to this article. However, it got declined as inadequate and I didn't do anything wrong. There are details about the shopping center and I added the link to this website. I want to create an article about the shopping center that does not have a page about it unlike other shopping malls. I check the source and they look correct. Did I review my draft correctly or I copied the text? Thank you for it.

76.20.110.116 (talk) 00:16, 3 June 2022 (UTC) Finished


 * Just because a shopping mall exists, doesn't mean it warrants an article in a global encyclopaedia. Neither is 'other shopping malls have articles' a justification. In order to establish notability in Wikipedia terms, the mall must have received significant coverage in multiple independent and reliable secondary sources. Your draft cites no such sources. (The draft also requires plenty of copy editing, and the citations should come immediately after the statements they support, not all piled at the end, but these were not the reasons for declining.) -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 05:20, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
 * I added many links. but can you explain why 8000 sunset strip is not notable or famous? I know my draft got decilned. 76.20.110.116 (talk) 14:34, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
 * You offered sources that document its existence- that is insufficient. Any article about this mall must summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen to say about it.  It actually should not detail things like the specific establishments that are there or how many parking spaces they have. 331dot (talk) 14:39, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

Request on 04:02:46, 3 June 2022 for assistance on AfC submission by Zxcvbnm123411
Hi there. My draft was rejected because it was considered an advertisement, but I believe the content was to state the facts from a neutral point of view, so please tell me which part or sentence in my draft is like advertisement and how I can improve it. Thanks！ Zxcvbnm123411 (talk) 04:02, 3 June 2022 (UTC)


 * @Zxcvbnm123411 Please read the entire decline reason in the grey box; it isn't (IMO) so much that this draft is overly promotional, but that it isn't encyclopaedic, and more to the point that the sources cited originate with the organisation in question (own website, and regurgitations of press releases issued by them). This latter point has been pointed out also in the earlier declines. We need to see significant coverage by multiple independent and reliable secondary sources. We also need to see some reason, beyond merely existing, why this organisation warrants an article in a global encyclopaedia. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 07:11, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
 * @Zxcvbnm123411 DoubleGrazing above, along with the decline notices themselves, mention the need for independent sources (independent from the company). See WP:Independent.  The first two sources are to the company's own Web site, so they are not independent.  It looks like all of the rest of the sources cover "routine business dealings" such as acquisitions, investments,  etc.   All companies go through routine business events like this, and none of that makes a company notable (click here). 73.127.147.187 (talk) 06:43, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Regarding the references, according to Wikipedia’s editorial rules, a self-published work can be used as a source when the statement concerns the source itself, That’s why I added the first two sources. And I also added some pieces of news which were related to my content from well-known media( Not regurgitations of the press releases), I think these sources can prove notability and meet the requirements of independent and multiple sources.
 * Looking forward to your reply and please let me know if I have any misunderstanding. Zxcvbnm123411 (talk) 04:08, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
 * @Zxcvbnm123411 I don't personally have anything more to add. If you use the blue button to resubmit the draft, it will be reviewed again. 73.127.147.187 (talk) 05:37, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

07:50:12, 3 June 2022 review of draft by NeverTry4Me
I have submitted for AfC review which is pending. The subject is very much notable. I'm requsting an assessment of the Draft and assist me if I need to expand, cite more. Regards - Signed by NeverTry4Me Talk 07:50, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, you have submitted it for review and it is pending. It will be reviewed in due course, though this may not happen immediately. 331dot (talk) 09:07, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
 * @331dot I just asked for suggestions. Can you please check the Draft and assist me for further so that it can be accepted? - Signed by NeverTry4Me Talk 09:42, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
 * As I said, it will be reviewed in due course. I don't have any specific suggestions to offer; I'd say the chances of acceptance are not bad. 331dot (talk) 09:44, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
 * @331dot Thank you. I shall try to improve more. - Signed by NeverTry4Me Talk 09:48, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
 * One thing I would remark on as an AfC reviewer is that the tone is not quite neutral, for instance in the headings in section 3. Also keep in mind that if, for instance, a source published by Amnesty International makes an evaluative statement like "the villagers were terrorized by the army", Wikipedia can't make that same statement as if it were a fact. Such claims need to be attributed to the source (perhaps on the lines of "Amnesty International condemned the army's actions and said [...]"). I haven't checked that source (since I'm not reviewing the draft now), but I see that you are providing page numbers for the information, which is great, and makes the reviewer's task much easier. --bonadea contributions talk 10:07, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
 * @Bonadea with due thanks for your compliment, I shall acknowledge your assessment with good faith. I am in a feel, that I need assistance with this article. Regards - Signed by NeverTry4Me Talk 10:29, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
 * @Bonadea please look now about the Amnesty thing. I haven't copied you, but used my own language. :) - Signed by NeverTry4Me Talk 10:43, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
 * @Bonadea by the time we were discussing about the Draft, the Draft was accepted. I'm glad that it is accepted. Can you please use Rater? - Signed by NeverTry4Me Talk 23:42, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

09:15:56, 3 June 2022 review of submission by Nehakushwaha.jp
I am new here. So, please guide me so I will continue contributing. The above page has added references that include The Hindu, Times of India, NDTV News, News 18 and even have a portal of the Indian government. Clearly mentioned the author's name, his professional career and whatever he is contributing to the society that he can.

Please guide me if I will make any mistakes on the above contribution.

Nehakushwaha.jp (talk) 09:15, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
 * I haven't read them all, but I think some of the sources for the books are OK, but not great. I recommend to use the best 1 or 2 to source the books in the body, and then add a "reception" section where you can briefly summarize the reviews from the other decent sources. You should also add some biographical info.  If all he is known for is the books, then perhaps the books should have articles, but not him. TechnoTalk (talk) 19:39, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

13:04:39, 3 June 2022 review of submission by Jazzy is da best2022
Hey Wikipedia!, I was just wondering why my article didn't get processed, I made sure there were no inappropriate features throughout the essay, had no copyrighted themes, ect. Although it still didn't get processed. If you had a problem with no referencing page, that is because I interviewed the subject personally.

Kind Regards Jazzy Is Da Best2022 Jazzy is da best2022 (talk) 13:04, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Your draft should have been rejected, it is clearly not a serious attempt at an article and it has been tagged for speedy deletion as an obvious hoax/vandalism. Theroadislong (talk) 13:43, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

Draft:Soufia Taloni
Thank you for reviewing the Draft:Soufia Taloni. Though I worked hard for it, I was trepidatious about acceptance through AFC. As I had never created such a long article for AFC, I was worried too. Thanking you again. Regards - — Preceding unsigned comment added by 196.78.216.195 (talk) 13:51, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
 * This user has been blocked for block evasion. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 21:10, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

Request on 18:55:33, 3 June 2022 for assistance on AfC submission by MorpheusDescending
An article draft I submitted was incorrectly rejected. An article draft about a fictional character I submitted for approval was rejected by a reviewer whose reason for the rejection was that zero non-primary sources were cited in the article. However this reviewer is incorrect. The article draft actually cites *only* secondary sources published completely independently of the article's subject; there are no primary sources cited at all. How can I most easily have the article re-reviewed? I am pretty confident it meets standards for acceptance. Thank you!MorpheusDescending (talk) 18:55, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
 * The article is sourced with two Wonder Woman encyclopedias. I'm not sure if that is good enough or insufficient in comic book articles, an area outside my focus.  I think you'd be better off posting at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Comics/DC Comics work group for advice. TechnoTalk (talk) 19:19, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the counsel @TechnoTalk, I appreciate it! MorpheusDescending (talk) 20:34, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

Draft:Adil Taouil
Request to move Draft:Adil Taouil to article name page Adil Taouil — Preceding unsigned comment added by 197.130.191.88 (talk) 20:21, 3 June 2022 (UTC)


 * If and when the draft is accepted, it will automatically be moved to the article space; you do not need to request that here. What you should do instead is address the reasons why it was declined, and then resubmit. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 05:23, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
 * I did some minor cleanup, and hunted for more sources, but there's not much there to work with. There is a French article that looks quite similar, with a couple of additional foreign language sources . This is going to be an uphill battle for the creator. TechnoTalk (talk) 19:04, 4 June 2022 (UTC)