Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk/Archives/2022 March 16

= March 16 =

01:05:49, 16 March 2022 review of submission by 2601:601:9601:1370:799C:5F72:C8F2:115A
because it will make people smort idc if you reject it, im just doing it for memes love you all! 2601:601:9601:1370:799C:5F72:C8F2:115A (talk) 01:05, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Please don't submit biographies as memes. It's incredibly disrespectful to the person who's the subject of the article and we can't accept unreferenced, jokey crap. —Jéské Couriano  v^_^v  a little blue Bori 01:14, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
 * If you're doing for "teh lulz" then please find another hobby and stop wasting our time. -- Kinu t/c 07:29, 17 March 2022 (UTC)

Review of Draft:Tyrone_Evans_Clark
Hello, I am reposting since my last post on March 9 went unanswered and got archived. Also Praxidicae since you are the one that did this, do you care to explain why totally decline this without review of the new and improved page from the last AFD???

This article got declined and the tag said to ask for help here, without any other explanation and also I was not given a chance to resubmit again. First, I am a paid editor hired by the subject to help him and I have already disclosed my association. Second, as the subject has explained to me and as you can see from the history, the page was declined before and deleted in AFD, but this version of the page is completely different, much improved and he has had many new articles about him since 2020, so the page should not be solely declined based on the past AFD and should be looked at from scratch. Please let me know if someone can review it and tell me what the issues are. Subject has over 50 citations used here, and probably at least 30+ more that I didn't use. Johnmclane2 (talk) 04:10, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
 * I also would like to add that he meets WP:ENT due to several main roles on several TV shows, as follows:
 * Catfish on MTV
 * Dating #NoFilter on E! and VH1
 * Phone Swap on FOX
 * Women of Wrestling, Several episodes on AXS TV
 * Magic For Humans on Netflix
 * Face the Truth on NBC
 * Justice for All with Judge Cristina Perez on Court TV
 * Investigating Free Money on FOX

Thanks. Johnmclane2 (talk) 03:08, 16 March 2022 (UTC)


 * Hi . You plainly are not here to build an encyclopedia, but merely to promote Clark. An actor whose roles in notable productions are: underground artist, himself, clubgoer, uncredited, Papua New Guinea warrior, and a party on one episode of a dramatized court show, is clearly not a suitable subject for an encyclopedia article. Rejection of the draft is meant to be final, to convey that no amount of editing will make it acceptable. Volunteers do not intend to review it again. You may wish to explore alternative outlets, with different inclusion criteria, for your writing. --Worldbruce (talk) 15:26, 16 March 2022 (UTC)


 * First, attacking Wikipedians is against policy, Tyrone is not the only edit or submission I have done and not the only reason I am here. Check my history and I plan to do more edits in the future. My own edits or history should be a factor in deciding Tyrone's faith. I have disclosed my association as being a paid editor, so there are no UPE issues.
 * Second, some of the shows or roles he has been in may be insignificant, but he clearly meets WP:GNG by having significant news coverage. He is also a movie producer and director. His movie "Homeless Sam & Sally" has gotten significant coverage and awards. He has also written 2 books that have reviews online.
 * Clearly, his past declines and UPE have been an issue. He may have been less notable before, but since the last submission about 2 years ago, he has had a lot more coverage and someone needs to look at it rather than saying it was previously declined and don't ever try again. I don't expect that my arguments would change your mind, but it is quite sad that many talented artists and entertainers are denied entry into Wikipedia just because many admins hate paid editors and mainly decide a page is not qualified because it was done by a paid editor.
 * And here is a source analysis for a few of them, but I bet you will find an issue with every single one, so I am probably wasting my time. Many are new sources since the last decline, so someone should tell us why they are not accepable:


 * Good Men Project - Notable non-profit foundation and publication with a Wiki page.
 * Beverly Hills Magazine - in-depth article and this also a print publication
 * Millennium Magazine - a print publication
 * Flaunt Magazine - popular publication, which also has a wiki page.
 * Hip Hop Weekly - Well know publication in Hip Hop, which also has a Wiki page.
 * FilmInk - Notable film publication with a Wiki page.
 * Film Daily - Film publication.
 * 1883 Magazine - Print publication since 2010
 * NY Times - It's only a mention, but should count towards overall notability
 * Indie Cinema - Film publication.
 * Washington Informer - It's only a mention, but should count towards overall notability
 * The South African - About his book signing, shows his notability as an author.
 * Flux Magazine - Book review, shows his notability as an author. Publication has been running since 1997.
 * Thanks.Johnmclane2 (talk) 18:00, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Spamming this board with useless sources will not help the cause. You are trying to string together passing mentions to create notability for someone who is not notable by wikipedia's standards. Existence is not notability, all you have accomplished is proof of existence.Slywriter (talk) 21:31, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
 * At least 4 of these sources have Wikipedia pages and are notable publications. Majority of these also meet or are indepth (are not just passing mentions) and meet the Biographies of living persons and WP:BLPRS standards. Rather than calling me a spammer, post a response next to each of provided sources and explain why they do not meet the guidelines. Please check Good Men Project -Flaunt Magazine -Hip Hop Weekly - FilmInk - as a start since these all have Wiki pages. Tell me how these are not meeting Wiki standards? Johnmclane2 (talk) 21:58, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
 * I see an argument for the movie being notable. As to the subject you have cited passing mentions, interviews and at least once source with no byline. In short, notability still not established.Slywriter (talk) 18:18, 17 March 2022 (UTC)

11:10:02, 16 March 2022 review of submission by Udo Otto Müller
Ich will Deutsche und Engländer verbinden durch meinen umfangreichen Artikel Hammerwerk_(Uhrschlag) aus der deutschen Wikipedia. Er entstand in langer Teamarbeit 2021 und wurde von mir am 23.12.2021 ca. 19:30 Uhr in die wikipedia.de eingesetzt. Der Big Ben in London als britisches Nationaldenkmal ist dort mit Gummipuffer (Federwirkung) für Uhrschlag enthalten und von mir belegt aus internet-archive.org. Im Artikel wird die 1000 Jahre alte Technik und die physikalischen Zusammenhänge fundamental dargestellt. Das berechtigt, Bestandteil von Wikipedia zu werden! Nun wird die muttersprachliche Hilfe eines(r) englischsprechenden Wikipedianers(in) bei der Übersetzung aus dem Deutschen benötigt. Ich glaube daran, Sie helfen! § Udo Otto Müller (talk) 11:10, 16 March 2022 (UTC)


 * @Udo Otto Müller I have used machine translation to find that you have said this:
 * "I want to connect Germans and English through my extensive article Hammerwerk_(Uhrschlag) from the German Wikipedia. It was created in long teamwork in 2021 and was posted by me on December 23, 2021 at around 7:30 p.m. on wikipedia.de. The Big Ben in London as a British national monument is included there with a rubber buffer (spring action) for the clock strike and is documented by me from internet-archive.org. In the article, the 1000-year-old technology and the physical relationships are fundamentally presented. That entitles you to be part of Wikipedia! Now the native-speaker help of an English-speaking Wikipedian is needed for the translation from German. I believe you help! §"
 * I am not 100% certain what you wish to happen next. Ich bin mir nicht 100%ig sicher, was du als nächstes tun möchtest. Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 11:50, 16 March 2022 (UTC)


 * @ Faddle Talk to me, Thank you verry much for machine-translation my wish. I give now a link to german-wikipedia article Hammer_mechanism_to_clock_strike; []. I try to find a helper to translate the article from German to English. Perhaps You are the helper? Your afactionetelly german wikipedian Udo Otto Müller (talk) 14:14, 16 March 2022 (UTC)


 * @ Faddle Talk to me, Danke Dir sehr für die Maschinen-Übersetzung meines Wunsches. Nun gebe ich hier einen link zum deutschen wikipedia.de article Hammer_mechanism_to_clock_strike; []. Ich suche dafür einen englischen Wikipedia-Helfer, der den Artikel in seine Muttersprache übersetzt. Es gibt sonst kein Verständnis. Oder, was ist Deine Meinung zur präzisen Übersetzung? Dein Dir zugetaner deutscher Wikipedianer § — Preceding unsigned comment added by Udo Otto Müller (talk • contribs) 12:30, 17 March 2022 (UTC) §

17:56:47, 16 March 2022 review of submission by 82.113.227.110
I am saw this man at a business event for the Earth Prize. He seems interesting an notable for a wikipedia page. Especially due to his celebrity father and his work with the earth prize. 82.113.227.110 (talk) 17:56, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia has articles, not pages. As the draft was rejected, it won't be considered further. Notability is not inherited by association. 331dot (talk) 22:57, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

21:27:43, 16 March 2022 review of submission by Ali777kk
Ali777kk (talk) 21:27, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

21:47:43, 16 March 2022 review of submission by Fastcarguy21
I have made significant changes to this page, as instructed, in hopes that it will now be approved for publication. However, I'm having a hard time finding the correct place to actually submit these changes for approval since it was last rejected. Can you help me? Fastcarguy21 (talk) 21:47, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Rejection means resubmission is not possible. I've examined your changes as the reviewer that rejected it, and your changes are just more of the same inappropriate sources. 331dot (talk) 22:54, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank for you for quick response. I have two questions. At this point, is the best way to submit the content for approval to create an entirely new page? Also, are you able to tell me which sources (or which type of sources) are deemed inappropriate? Fastcarguy21 (talk) 14:19, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Resubmission is not possible for this website at this time, whether it is rewritten or not. This is not permanent, but there needs to be a dramatic change in circumstances for it to be reconsidered. Any article about this company must summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about it, showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of a notable company. "Significant coverage" is that which goes beyond merely telling about the existence of the company or the mere reporting of its activities and describes the impact of the company itself on its industry or its community or anything beyond itself. The recognition and awards mean little unless those awards themselves merit Wikipedia articles; for example, the South Dakota SBA's award does not have an article about the award itself. Please read Your First Article but you will have to set aside this topic for now. You are welcome to contribute to any of the over 6 million articles that Wikipedia has; I might recommend this as a way to build up experience and knowledge before attempting to create a new article, which is the hardest task to perform here. 331dot (talk) 14:29, 17 March 2022 (UTC)