Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk/Archives/2022 March 22

= March 22 =

00:30:14, 22 March 2022 review of submission by SavageBWiki
When I created the article Battle of Kryvyi Rih (2022), but some bot keeps redirecting it to Southern Ukraine Offensive. Can you please fix this issue and tell the person who did it to stop? Thank you.

SavageBWiki (talk) 00:30, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
 * This is not the place to deal with a content dispute with an IP editor. —Jéské Couriano  v^_^v  a little blue Bori 00:32, 22 March 2022 (UTC)


 * There is no Battle of Kryvyi Rih mentioned by Reliable Sources. Current reports are that Russian troops are about 45 km south of Kryvy Rih. The article that was created took sources out of context. Such as an article from 9 months ago about a Ukrainian police officer from Kryvyi Rih getting killed in Donbas, the wiki page used this article to say that Ukrainian soldiers are currently getting killed in Kryvyi Rih which is some fantastic OR. Seeing as how no Reliable Sources mention a battle currently taking place in Kryvyi Rih Curbon7 made a redirect to the Southern Ukraine offensive, that got reverted by SavageBWiki. I began editting the article, I reviewed the sources cited, found no mention of an ongoing battle in Kryvyi Rih and reinserted the redirect that Curbon7 had originally placed in to the article. There will very likely be a battle in this city, but critically one has happened yet. I agree with Curbon7 that we should wait for a battle to take place before writing about one. 191.177.204.73 (talk) 00:41, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
 * THIS IS NOT THE PLACE TO DEAL WITH A CONTENT DISPUTE. I am going to drop EE warnings on both of you now. Continue in this vein, and you are apt to be sanctioned. —Jéské Couriano  v^_^v  a little blue Bori 00:42, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Ok, but in the article I wrote that Russian soldiers are on the outskirts of Kryvyi Rih. SavageBWiki (talk) 01:28, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
 * And it was also approved when I submitted it as a draft. SavageBWiki (talk) 01:37, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

02:35:15, 22 March 2022 review of submission by Tykeysz
Hello, my name is tyrell keysz and I need help making a page for my friend who is a producer his name is Aelo Beats. Thank You.

Tykeysz (talk) 02:35, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
 * , If and when your friend becomes famous, someone unrelated will write an article. Wikipedia is not a promotional vehicle for up and coming producers.  It also requires verifiable information that comes from reliable sources, we do not care what the subject or their friends think about them. Also see conflict of interest for required declarations should reliable sources actually exist and WP:AUTO for why having a wikipedia article isn't always the best idea.Slywriter (talk) 02:39, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
 * No sources, no article, no debate. —Jéské Couriano  v^_^v  a little blue Bori 02:39, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

08:26:14, 22 March 2022 review of submission by Vishalyoman
I would like to ask for help to list this article as I have sufficient coverage related to the subject.

Vishal Yoman is an Indian filmmaker, you can google search about him

Google Knowlage Panel

Vishalyoman (talk) 08:26, 22 March 2022 (UTC)


 * The Knowledge Graph pulls information from, amongst other sources, Wikipedia, and none of the information on it is verified in the slightest; we can't use it. Four out of the five sources proffered here are of unknown provenance, likely regurgitated PR; the last one isn't about Yoman, but Mirzapur Official. We have a distinct distate for autobiographies. —Jéské Couriano  v^_^v  a little blue Bori 19:23, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

10:06:49, 22 March 2022 review of submission by 193.52.24.5
I think Rithika Merchant's article deserves to be published and I don't understand her rejection. The last editor to deny publication, Hatchens, said that the topic is not notable enough for inclusion in Wikipedia. However, contemporary artist Rithika Merchant has many articles published on the internet referring to her work. She has even worked with major brands such as Chloé and has 30.5k followers on Instagram. She is a living visual artist, objectively valid to be represented on Wikipedia. I look forward to hearing from you in order to find a solution and be able to publish her page on the platform.

Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator (free version)193.52.24.5 (talk) 10:06, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
 * If you need to use a translator to communicate with us in English, I would suggest that you should edit the version of Wikipedia that is in your primary language. The person you wrote about does not meet the special Wikipedia definition of a notable artist. 331dot (talk) 10:23, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

Request on 10:18:10, 22 March 2022 for assistance on AfC submission by FFaruq
Hi, I am having trouble creating a page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Afzalur_Rahman_(author)).

I have been told that the references are not good enough, but not told which ones need changing, or adding. Also, a link was added referring to the "Primary Page" for the person, but this is in face no the same person.

I'd just like a straight answer not a rejection and a link to a page of vague conditions I already thought I'd met. Please advise.

Kind regards. FFaruq (talk) 10:18, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Your draft was only declined, not rejected. Declined means resubmission is possible. 331dot (talk) 10:20, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

11:47:38, 22 March 2022 review of draft by Pyrrorhiza
Hello. I've just created an English page for Alexandre Antonelli. He already has a page on Swedish Wikipedia (https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexandre_Antonelli) and so I have requested a translation. I hope I have done this correctly, but please let me know if not. The automated translation is not quite accurate. Can I just ask if it's quicker to wait for a translation and then edit it if necessary, or create an English page myself? Many thanks in advance for your help. Pyrrorhiza (talk) 11:47, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia has articles, not pages. It is not recommended to use automatic translations. 331dot (talk) 12:00, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Apologies for the incorrect terminology. I am not using an automatic translation for the new article - this just happens when I open the Swedish article. I have requested someone to translate the Swedish article but I wanted to know whether it would be quicker just to write the English version myself. Pyrrorhiza (talk) 12:13, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Given everyone is a volunteer, do it yourself will always be the quickest and best option.Slywriter (talk) 17:51, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

11:48:52, 22 March 2022 review of submission by Mazetorch
Hi, I need help regarding the editing of this page above. I would like to know if my sources are not suitable. My main and only source for all the information is Lord Russell Baker's book "My Way" on Amazon. This is my first experience as a contributor. Thank you.

Mazetorch (talk) 11:48, 22 March 2022 (UTC)


 * Find other sources and incorporate them into the article text - One source alone cannot carry an article, least of all one the subject wrote themselves. —Jéské Couriano  v^_^v  a little blue Bori 19:32, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

12:32:48, 22 March 2022 review of draft by Phoebae
Hi, there. I've written my first article on a company named Eloelo (India) and would like to need your assistance since I'm new to Wikipedia.

Phoebae (talk) 12:32, 22 March 2022 (UTC)


 * All of your sources are routine business news that don't help for notability. Are there any in-depth, non-routine, independent sources written by identifiable authors and published in outlets with editorial staff that fact-check, retract, and correct? —Jéské Couriano  v^_^v  a little blue Bori 19:29, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Hey, thanks for checking out. I've added  a few more links. Is it okay now?  Phoebae (talk) 10:36, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

13:25:23, 22 March 2022 review of submission by 136.228.35.174
my artcle wuz very acurat 136.228.35.174 (talk) 13:25, 22 March 2022 (UTC)


 * We're not a comedy club. If you're not serious, find somewhere else. —Jéské Couriano  v^_^v  a little blue Bori 19:27, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

17:38:20, 22 March 2022 review of draft by 2601:18E:8201:7B50:8E0:D88A:EFF1:2579
I would like to make one case for this draft, so if an objective editor could read on, it would be appreciated. This seems like a bizarre and seemingly personal rejection rather than an objective one. Reasons given for decline include “lack of reliable sources” - in fact, sources include The New York Times, the permanent music archives of the State University of New York, reviews from various major publication such as the Chicago Reader, a documented award from the gov’t of France, and a documented substantive publication by the legendary music publisher Edition Peters. In addition, numerous other sources are given as well as external links. There are “wiki quotes” associated with this potential entry. Nothing personal, but the rejection is laughable with respect to the above points and the reasoning. The potential entry also has removed the references to the personal website as well as the podcast in which the figure spoke of themselves with American podcaster Studs Terkel and John Cage. Please advise as to how to improve upon such “reliable” sources. This rejection does not appear to abide by Wikipedia standards of reliable sourcing. The “close connection” appears to be a dismissal of the role of a professional historian who by nature of employment is in contact with historic figures. Maybe that is too close? Someone needs to put up an entry for this individual, the relationship to careers of major American composers are well supplemented as knowledge in this manner. I’ll check for a reply later. I would especially appreciate an explanation of the primary rejection, i.e. reliable sources. I do not know what is possibly more reliable than the New York Times, university archives, independent reviews, and traditional publishers, etc. Thank you.2601:18E:8201:7B50:8E0:D88A:EFF1:2579 (talk) 17:38, 22 March 2022 (UTC) 2601:18E:8201:7B50:8E0:D88A:EFF1:2579 (talk) 17:38, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
 * NYT makes no mention of the subject, so not sure how it would contribute to notability of the subject.Slywriter (talk) 17:54, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
 * That’s true, I didn’t notice that until you pointed it out. The subject actually directed the entire festival as reported, as the Chicago Reader indicates, although the Times does not refer to Peter Gena. See what you think, could be removed, the source for the Chicago Reader tells the same story. Maybe I’ll remove it since the same fact is sourced in two other sources. 2601:18E:8201:7B50:8E0:D88A:EFF1:2579 (talk) 20:09, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
 * The other two footnotes for that fact, are New Music America and Chicago Reader, as sourced. 2601:18E:8201:7B50:8E0:D88A:EFF1:2579 (talk) 20:13, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Also, it would be good to know if the Wiki-quotes that are automatically included in the draft are considered unreliable sources. 2601:18E:8201:7B50:8E0:D88A:EFF1:2579 (talk) 20:30, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Removed NYT which does not mention subject. The other two sources for the fact remain sourced in the potential article. Suggestions as to how to improve sourcing as sourced fro, the Music Archives of The State University of New York, the Chicago Reader, French Gov’t, other sources? As well as external links for reliability? What remains unreliable about these and other sources? 2601:18E:8201:7B50:8E0:D88A:EFF1:2579 (talk) 20:20, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks for checking out. Do please let me know with respect to the reliability of the remaining sources and the external links. 2601:18E:8201:7B50:8E0:D88A:EFF1:2579 (talk) 20:27, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
 * I stopped after the first 10 sources all appeared to be Primary sources or passing mentions. Please identify WP:THREE sources that are independent secondary sources that discuss the subject with some depth. External Links is same issue, all Primary sources.  Wikipedia wants to know what others have to say about the subject, not what they say about themselves. Additionally, running his name through google scholar showed a low cite count (though admittedly niche field), so not an obvious WP:NSCHOLAR, though perhaps meets a different criteria there. I'll take a further look tomorrow and leave comments for a future reviewer but try and find secondary sources or show that the alternative criteria is met.Slywriter (talk) 04:45, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

Request on 19:28:44, 22 March 2022 for assistance on AfC submission by Andylanterman
First, let me apologize for the forwardness of this request but I would like some specific clarification on what the problem is with our article? I've continued to change or add what you say we are missing or need more of. So either I'm not adding the correct information you are requesting or there is a different issue.

Please, can someone look over this and advise on what specifically is needed? This is getting frustating.

Andylanterman (talk) 19:28, 22 March 2022 (UTC)


 * Your citations are primarily to website homepages, which are completely worthless as citations because a homepage isn't going to have the in-depth information we're looking for. You need to link to specific subpages (read: articles) on that domain. We also do not cite Wikipedia. —Jéské Couriano  v^_^v  a little blue Bori 20:51, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
 * I have added several reviews and articles regarding this mobile game.  The "homepages" are referencing the tracks, brands or real-life people who are involved/included with the game in some way. Many other mobile app/game pages on Wikipedia have these included in them. So they are not worthless, as you put it.
 * Please review this article again, having taken all the above into account. Andylanterman (talk) 20:57, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Then those pages need to be edited to get rid of terrible sources, rather than you adding to the pile of junk. My answer remains unchanged, and I'm sceptical the next reviewer will have an answer much different than what I've given here. —<i style="color: #1E90FF;">Jéské Couriano</i>  v^_^v  a little blue Bori 21:10, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
 * It's not junk and I don't appreciate the tone you are taking here. I'm asking for help on what you all are wanting or not wanting on this page. The only term I keep reading is "sources", which I provided an abundance of, which are directly connected to the app. I've already removed almost all the "sources" and it still is denied because I don't have enough sources. Andylanterman (talk) 21:14, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Your sources need to be placed directly after the content that they support, not dumped in a list at the end. Theroadislong (talk) 21:18, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Please refer to User:Jéské Couriano/Decode, and remember: you asked for this.
 * https://www.metacritic.com/game/ios/street-kart-racing is useless for notability (too sparse). Per WP:RS/P: Metacritic is considered generally reliable for its review aggregation and its news articles on film, TV, and video games. There's no aggregated score provided due to there only being one professional review (they require four) and I don't see any news reports when I search it in Metacritic proper.
 * https://www.data.ai/en/apps/ios/top/store-rank/feed/paid/united-states/racing/ios-phone/ is useless for notability (too sparse). Per our standards you need to provide hard dates for claims that X was at Y spot on Z chart, and the link provided is a running listing, as opposed to week/date specific ones.
 * https://www.driverdb.com/drivers/marijn-kremers/ is a non-sequitur and is thus completely useless. We do not do notability-by-osmosis.
 * http://kaiaskey.com/ is a non-sequitur and even if it weren't it's a website homepage and thus completely useless on that basis alone. We do not do notability-by-osmosis or cite website homepages.
 * https://www.kartrepublic.com/ " " "-" " " " " " " " " " " " " " " " " ". " " " " "-"-" " " " ".
 * https://www.birelart.com/ " " "-" " " " " " " " " " " " " " " " " ". " " " " "-"-" " " " ".
 * https://toucharcade.com/2019/07/01/street-kart-racing-release-window/ is usable, as it discusses the game in some depth, is independent of the subject, has an identifiable author, is published by an outlet that has editorial oversight that enforces standards, and isn't routine.
 * https://www.themotorsportnetwork.com/circuits/la-conca is a non-sequitur and is thus completely useless. We do not do notability-by-osmosis.
 * https://www.kartingdesfagnes.be/abonnements-karts-prives/ is a non-sequitur and even if it weren't the page it lands on is for a membership subscription, and is thus completely useless on that basis alone. We do not do notability-by-osmosis and we do not link to sales websites.
 * https://www.kartpfi.com/ is a non-sequitur and even if it weren't it's a website homepage and thus completely useless on that basis alone. We do not do notability-by-osmosis or cite website homepages. I hope you haven't gotten tired of this copypasta or the resultant ditto marks yet.
 * https://www.gkcv.com.au/Home.aspx " " "-" " " " " " " " " " " " " " " " " ". " " " " "-"-" " " " ".
 * https://www.sologne-karting.com/ " " "-" " " " " " " " " " " " " " " " " ". " " " " "-"-" " " " ".
 * https://www.prokart-raceland.com/ " " "-" " " " " " " " " " " " " " " " " ". " " " " "-"-" " " " ".
 * Finally, we can't use either Wikipedia citation (circular reference).
 * Literally the only source in this entire list we can use is Touch Arcade. And one source in and of itself is not enough to justify an article on any topic on Wikipedia. So the answer is, yes, you need more sources, ones of similar nature and calibre to Touch Arcade. Not trying to make it seem notable by association with other entities. —<i style="color: #1E90FF;">Jéské Couriano</i>  v^_^v  a little blue Bori 21:45, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
 * You are proving the subject exists with your sources. Existence is not notability. Otherwise Wikipedia would have way more than 6 million pages. and Jeske's analysis may seem harsh but its accurate.Slywriter (talk) 04:51, 23 March 2022 (UTC)