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= May 10 =

02:01:09, 10 May 2022 review of draft by 31.217.30.45
31.217.30.45 (talk) 02:01, 10 May 2022 (UTC) i need help i have refrences but i doesnt wanna publish :(


 * "Publish page" is equivalent to "Save page". (It used to be the latter, but people kept complaining because they didn't want it to be found by other people.) —Jéské Couriano  v^&lowbar;^v  a little blue Bori 02:13, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

02:51:21, 10 May 2022 review of draft by Aramoana-Otumaetai-01
The article is intended only as a stub, so obviously should be expanded.

Can you explain why the sources I site are nor "reliable secondary sources"? I think Auckand Art Gallery is reliable, and it is indepndendent of the artist, apart from fining his works fit to exhibit. Similarly for the others. There are several similar web pages with similar information.

Or have I perhaps not put the citations in the right place

A full article of course should be written by an expert. I only need the article so I can link to it from another article, in which he features incidentally, but significantly. But I think the stub I have written clearly identifies him, and the links give evidence of his notability. I haven't yet found any information about hard copy works, biographies etc.

Aramoana-Otumaetai-01 (talk) 02:51, 10 May 2022 (UTC)


 * https://fletchercollection.org.nz/artists/bracey-ted/ is merely a content-free gallery listing, no details whatsoever. https://www.aucklandartgallery.com/explore-art-and-ideas/artist/897/ted-bracey is a likewise content-free profile. https://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/christchurch-life/art-and-stage/75313601/christchurch-art-gallery-ted-bracey is quite literally the best source you've got. —Jéské Couriano  v^&lowbar;^v  a little blue Bori 03:12, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
 * While the info is not immediately visible on the 1st link, pressing the info button on it gives an extensive biography. The second link is more minimal, but being the Auckland Art Gallery, is highly reliable.  The third is somewhat less useful than the first, but is in agreement.
 * Other links tend to be very similar.
 * If this is not acceptable, what would be? I think the information is reliable, verifiable if care is taken to understand how artistic websites can tend to be obscure, and is definitely secondary. Aramoana-Otumaetai-01 (talk) 04:56, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Auckland Art Gallery may be reliable but is absolutely NOT independent he will need to pass the criteria at WP:NARTIST which he clearly doesn't yet. Theroadislong (talk) 08:46, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

08:44:08, 10 May 2022 review of submission by Bernice860114
Hello, thanks for your patience and please kindly review the article, I've added more information and external links to prove the sources. Bernice860114 (talk) 08:44, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Your draft was rejected it will not be reviewed again. Theroadislong (talk) 08:47, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

08:46:50, 10 May 2022 review of submission by Muhammad aalian 000
Muhammad aalian 000 (talk) 08:46, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

10:24:26, 10 May 2022 review of draft by Krakozjabla
Krakozjabla (talk) 10:24, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

10:43:52, 10 May 2022 review of submission by Baltaborg
Draft:PaperTale

I've submitted this several times now and there are many sources that are independant, so I don't understand why it's not approved. On my last submission they said:

"This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of organizations and companies). Before any resubmission, additional references meeting these criteria should be added (see technical help and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue). If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia."

I then added even more references and sent it again, but it still isn't approved and I asked them why but no answer. What do I need to do to show independent reliable sources? They are just that! Thanks :)

Baltaborg (talk) 10:43, 10 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Can you see the draft? Baltaborg (talk) 10:45, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Fixed the link. We only need the title in the template, not a link. 331dot (talk) 10:50, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Your sources summarize the activities of the company. Wikipedia articles must do more, they must summarize significant coverage of the company itself, not just what it does, showing how the company meets Wikipedia's special definition of a notable company. 331dot (talk) 10:53, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

10:52:24, 10 May 2022 review of submission by VikasSinghDelhi
VikasSinghDelhi (talk) 10:52, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
 * You don't ask a question, but your draft was rejected, meaning that it will not be considered further. 331dot (talk) 10:54, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

12:35:19, 10 May 2022 review of submission by LuxembourgLover
It said not sufficiently notable for inclusion in Wikipedia how is someone notable? LuxembourgLover (talk) 12:35, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Please see the notability criteria for bands and musicians. This must be demonstrated with significant coverage in independent reliable sources, that an article can summarize. Please read Your First Article. 331dot (talk) 12:51, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

19:24:21, 10 May 2022 review of submission by Michalgitnik
Hello, I am trying to create a page for an artist named Maya Gelfman. Recently I was told that her work does not meet the notability criteria om wikipedia and therefore they cannot approve my draft, and I beg to differ. I have presented many references to independent websites and media outlets, including a few important newspapers' websites and a TedX talk as well. How is that not notable enough? She has a very long list of exhibitions, in multiple countries, and has contributed and was featured in many artistic books, amongst other things. She is quite active and holds a long track record in her field.

She has a page in the Wikipedia in Hebrew. She exhibited in the national museum who is also in the international top 10. She also presented in Bangkok, in the national gallery there. She had also a lot of exposure in the US. And many more..

What Can I do to convince editors that this artists deserves, or in other words, is actually notable enough to earn her a Wikipedia page in English?

Thank you very much !

Michalgitnik (talk) 19:24, 10 May 2022 (UTC)


 * he.wp and en.wp do not have identical policies; if anything en.wp is far stricter. It doesn't help you have a lot of claims in your massive-wall-o'-text lists that are unsourced. —Jéské Couriano  v^&lowbar;^v  a little blue Bori 19:27, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

Request on 19:53:23, 10 May 2022 for assistance on AfC submission by Shatbhisha6
My drafthttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Swami_Avdheshanand_Giri was rejected twice and then declined last year by the same user who was later on blocked for sockpuppetry https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Kashmorwiki. The accounts created by him post that, were also blocked and he was also accused of vandalism in the investigation. My draft has banners put up by him. One helpful editor helped me put the draft for review again, but its been over 2 months its still not approved. please help me with this article, I have tried to follow all wiki guidelines, if someone can guide me what more is lacking? Shatbhisha6 (talk) 19:53, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

Shatbhisha6 (talk) 19:53, 10 May 2022 (UTC)


 * @Shatbhisha6 Yes, it has been over 2 months. Did you read the big yellow box at the top? It says "This may take 4 months or more" along with "be patient". 73.127.147.187 (talk) 17:27, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

20:11:46, 10 May 2022 review of draft by Tnataloni
My submission keeps getting declined stating my references arent reliable sources. The bulk of them are high end publications like The Philadelphia Inquirer and Philadelphia Magazine. What else do i need to provide?

Tnataloni (talk) 20:11, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
 * First I see that you declared a conflict of interest; if you have a paid relationship with Chris Visco, you must make the stricter paid editing disclosure, a Terms of Use requirement.
 * The problem here is your approach. You have essentially posted Visco's resume and accomplishments. That's not what Wikipedia is for. A Wikipedia article about Visco must summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about her, showing how she meets the special Wikipedia definition of a notable person- not just document what she has done. 331dot (talk) 20:43, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
 * understood. thank you for the succinct feedback. Tnataloni (talk) 21:10, 10 May 2022 (UTC)