Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk/Archives/2022 May 17

= May 17 =

00:17:29, 17 May 2022 review of draft by Wonder.itn
I want to know to how to create cite/reference to a specific paragraph of a web page.

Wonder.itn (talk) 00:17, 17 May 2022 (UTC)


 * The draft is hagiographical in tone and is critically undersourced. And you would just cite the web page wholesale anyways. —Jéské Couriano  v^&lowbar;^v  a little blue Bori 19:34, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

00:25:33, 17 May 2022 review of submission by Physeters
So I decided to work on Draft:Kathy Barnette, as when I found it, it was basically blank. I wrote a fairly basic article, and submitted it for review. Almost immediately, the draft was rejected and I learned that Kathy Barnette had been salted. While I'm not at all attached to Barnette or what I wrote, from my perspective, she definitely seems notable as she has been in the headlines CONSTANTLY! I can't seem to get away from her, Barnette this, Barnette that, she's everywhere. I will not be resubmitting the draft for review unless she wins, but I do think a discussion is needed to just talk of the possibility of unsalting Barnette.  Physeters ✉ 00:25, 17 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Hi Physeters, thanks for coming to the AFC help desk, I would like to ping, the reviewer that rejected the draft, and the salting admin for their opinions on the subject's notability. There does appear to significant coverage occurring around last week about the subject after both AFDs. (Reuters, Nytimes, USA Today) Which might make the subject notable. However, the draft does need to be significantly altered before being accepted, WP:FOXNEWS is not a reliable source for political topics.  Just ' i ' yaya  03:01, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
 * User:Physeters, User:Justiyaya - First, candidates for political office very seldom are considered to pass general notability. They do not meet political notability as candidates.  Aside from the matter of notability, drafts on candidates are often non-neutral.  So candidates for political office very seldom have articles unless they already passed general notability before they became candidates.  Second, articles on Barnette were resubmitted disruptively twice in the past two weeks, after the first article had already been deleted at a deletion discussion.  So I agree with the salting administrator.  Third, I know that some other editors will disagree with me, but in this case I think that any request to unsalt should go to Deletion Review with an appropriate neutral draft. and that no request to unsalt should be made without first developing a draft that passes both notability and neutrality.  Fourth, we, the Wikipedia community, have to take what is basically a negative attitude toward articles about political candidates, in order to maintain the integrity of Wikipedia and avoid be manipulated by candidates.  Robert McClenon (talk) 03:33, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Fifth, I rejected the draft because it had been salted after a deletion discussion. I didn't make an evaluation of the quality of the sources or of the neutrality of the draft.  I couldn't have accepted the draft even if I wanted to do so, so I didn't review it.  To accept any draft, I would have to open a locked door to which I don't have a key.  I almost certainly would have declined it otherwise.  I won't review a draft if the title is salted, and I wouldn't advise another reviewer to review a draft on a salted title without first discussing the salting.  Robert McClenon (talk) 03:40, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
 * @Robert McClenon I think I do agree with you with most of your points. I wasn't aware of the disruptive submissions before, thank you so much for clarifying!  Just ' i ' yaya  04:08, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks @Justiyaya & @Robert McClenon for the quick reply!
 * I apologize if my draft is written in a biased manner. I don't actually have a very high opinion of Barnette, and I tried to be objective, but I guess I must have failed. I had zero idea that Fox News was not considered a good source, and I will not use them for citations in future. (though three of the four Fox articles I cited where to show that she had worked with them in the past before she was in the spotlight) I really enjoy editing as a small hobby, and if I did something wrong in submitting this draft, I apologize. As to rejecting the draft, there are no hard feelings. We will have to see what Nick-D says on notability. (I had already posted a message on their talk page and have yet to get a reply.) Thank you again for clarifying this, and have a great evening!  Physeters ✉ 04:16, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
 * User:Physeters - I don't know if your draft is written in a biased manner. I didn't review its tone, or its adequacy, because I couldn't have accepted it if I had decided to accept it.  Robert McClenon (talk) 04:50, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
 * So I finally got a response from Nick, and he said that he still did not think she is notable enough to remove the salting. So, depending on what todays primary results are, this is either a dead case, or the wiki admins will probably write there own, much better article. Thank you @Robert McClenon for your time!  Physeters ✉ 10:16, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

02:10:07, 17 May 2022 review of draft by Blemckert
Blemckert (talk) 02:10, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

Hi! I'm still quite confused as to what kinds of sources are needed to prove the author's (Chris Patterson) merit/relevance. Is it interviews that I need? Should I be referencing reviews?
 * Hi, welcome to the AFC help desk. This article is one about a living person, and as such, requires contentious material, whether negative, positive, or neutral to be supported by a reliable source. sources such as wordpress or most self published sources should not be used. Additionally, the draft needs to meet our notability guidelines, which, to put simply, requires 3-4 reliable sources independent of the subject providing significant coverage in the article for an easy accept. Happy editing!  Just ' i ' yaya  05:01, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

03:30:16, 17 May 2022 review of submission by 116.58.202.239
116.58.202.239 (talk) 03:30, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
 * History is Declined, Declined, Declined, Rejected, Declined, Rejected, nominated for deletion at MfD on 9 May and resubmitted to AfC on 17 May. Multiple IPs with identical or near-idential Edit summaries dating back to creator, so may also be IP socking. David notMD (talk) 09:42, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

11:14:44, 17 May 2022 review of submission by 2406:7400:75:B466:5C96:6081:686D:F500
Her latest movie has been announced 2406:7400:75:B466:5C96:6081:686D:F500 (talk) 11:14, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Once the film is released, and if her role in it is signficant enough to make her meet the definition of a notable performer, the rejection may be reconsidered at that time. 331dot (talk) 11:19, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Our notability standards for actors (linked above) require significant roles in multiple films. Probably WP:TOOSOON. TechnoTalk (talk) 18:03, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

13:32:36, 17 May 2022 review of draft by Krakozjabla
Dear reviewer, unfortunately I didn't get any replies to my opposite messages. My submission was declined due to it was not supported by reliable sources. I studied this topic well for my article and tried to collect well-known reliable sources, and they are also independent, like klankosova.tv and albinfo.ch. Some of them contain entire articles (not passing mentions) written about TVALB as the first Albanian IPTV platform that launched in the US for the Albanian diaspora, as well as about the support of the company from the Republic of Kosovo. Could you please help me with some more clear information about the references in my article? Why are they not considered reliable and what kind of additional references should be used? Thank you in advanced.

Krakozjabla (talk) 13:32, 17 May 2022 (UTC)


 * @Krakozjabla: that particular decline notice ("This submission is not adequately supported by reliable sources") can mean either that the sources cited are not considered reliable, or that the article contents are inadequately supported. I expect in your case it's the latter, seeing as there are several paragraphs without a single citation. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 13:54, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
 * It's a decent start, but you need more sources to show notability. Setplex is a commercial site, and doesn't help show notability. TechnoTalk (talk) 18:01, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

15:05:51, 17 May 2022 review of submission by Tsber1979
My article submission was declined and I would like to know why Tsber1979 (talk) 15:05, 17 May 2022 (UTC)


 * @Tsber1979: that would be for the reason shown in the decline notice (see that grey box inside the big pink box). This is the English-language Wikipedia, and can only accept articles in the English language. I'm no expert, but your text looks to me to be in Greek. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 15:08, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

15:30:40, 17 May 2022 review of submission by Arshuspeaks
Arshuspeaks (talk) 15:30, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
 * You don't ask a question, but your draft was rejected, and will not be considered further. 331dot (talk) 15:37, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

Request on 19:50:17, 17 May 2022 for assistance on AfC submission by Randieldridge
Randieldridge (talk) 19:50, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
 * You don't ask a question, but three words will not be accepted as a Wikipedia article. A Wikipedia article about a person must summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about the person, showing how they meet the special Wikipedia definition of a notable person.  Please read Your First Article and use the new user tutorial to learn more about Wikipedia and writing an article- which is the hardest task to attempt here. 331dot (talk) 19:55, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

20:37:26, 17 May 2022 review of submission by MemeMan2022
Why did i not get it published? What did i do wrong? MemeMan2022 (talk) 20:37, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia is not a place for you to tell your thoughts on Fortnite or give your personal comparison to other games. There is already a Wikipedia article on Fortnite if you have edits sourced to independent reliable sources to contribute there.  Please read Your First Article.  Creating a new article is the hardest task to attempt on Wikipedia, please learn all you can about doing so first, and spend time editing existing articles, so you learn what is expected. 331dot (talk) 20:40, 17 May 2022 (UTC)