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03:25:38, 26 May 2022 review of submission by 219.74.237.99
Hello, I've attempted to submit a draft for the aforementioned page several times, but the drafts have been rejected due to concerns over notability. It is my understanding that I require a certain volume of independent, secondary sources mentioning the subject of the entry in detail. I've currently provided multiple sources for each claim/reference in the entry, all of which do seem to meet the independent/secondary source criteria. Could I receive some assistance with getting the entry suitably revised and successfully published? Concrete advice regarding specific steps that need to be taken would be fantastic. Thank you! 219.74.237.99 (talk) 03:25, 26 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Let's start by assessing your sources. Refer to the top table at User:Jéské Couriano/Decode:
 * https://www.withersworldwide.com/en-gb/insight/stories-of-success-lin-fengru-and-max-rye is a republication of a Singapore Business Times source. As this source lacks required information that the original source would have (i.e. a byline) I will hold off on assessing this until a link to the SBT source is provided.
 * https://generalassemb.ly/instructors/fengru-lin/24528 is useless for notability (connexion to subject). She's one of General Assembly's instructors.
 * https://www.greenqueen.com.hk/turtletree-labs-closes-oversubscribed-usd-6-2m-pre-a-round-for-lab-grown-breast-milk/ is useless for this subject (too sparse). Name-drop and quote, no actual discussion of her. Coverage of the company is not equivalent to coverage of its principals.
 * https://alumni.smu.edu.sg/smu-circle-august-2021/lin-fengru is useless for notability (connexion to subject). SMU's her alma mater.
 * We can't use https://www.ecosperity.sg/en/speakers/lin-fengru.html (too sparse). Very, very brief profile that would easily be redundant with any serious source about her.
 * We can't use https://www.imsph.sg/her-world-woman-of-the-year-2021-recognises-trailblazers-and-innovators/ (unknown provenance). No byline is provided. That being said, the article states that the "October issue" (presumably the Oct 2021 issue) has a feature on her. Citing that may be better than citing this uncredited article.
 * https://cnaluxury.channelnewsasia.com/people/singapore-biotech-start-up-turtletree-labs-179006 is useless for notability (too sparse). With the exception of an establishing line in a paragraph, any information about her in the piece is a direct quote attributed to her.
 * We can't use https://www.temasekfoundation.org.sg/report2021/milking-tech-for-tomorrow/ (unknown provenance) and it'd be useless for this subject even if we could (too sparse).
 * We can't use https://edge.org.sg/edge-35-under-35/ (too sparse). This is effectively a content-free listicle, as " Under  " lists tend to be.
 * We can't use https://generationt.asia/people/fengru-lin (too sparse). Bluntly speaking, profile sites are either too skimpy to be of any use (as is the case here) or written with the subject's approval and input.
 * We can't use https://www.tatlerasia.com/power-purpose/gen-t/meet-all-asia-honourees-on-the-gent-list-2021 (too sparse) as it is a listicle which just links to other articles. The link to the article on Fengru specifically is 404-compliant.
 * We can't use https://www.herworld.com/topics/hw-woman-of-the-year/ for the same reasons as the Tatler source. The link to the relevant article, on the other hand, takes a while to load but it is accessible and is the best source I've seen thus far. Cite that instead of the listicle.
 * https://www.businesstimes.com.sg/life-culture/winners-of-30th-edition-of-her-world-woman-of-the-year-picked-for-their-international is useless for notability (too sparse). Name-drop that the Her World article I linked above makes redundant.
 * Barring the Her World article I pointed to, every other source is unusable as presented. Two of the sources need to have new links/cites provided. —Jéské Couriano  v^&lowbar;^v  a little blue Bori 05:39, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

11:10:53, 26 May 2022 review of submission by Fasal075
Fasal075 (talk) 11:10, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

Dear Wikipedians, am requisting you to help to create my first article on wikipedia, i have created a page for well known business women based from kerala and doing her business in Dubai since 1990, she is also the vice president of Flowers TV (Indian TV channel). i have tried to publish the content but rejected, i strongly believe that the subject i have selected isin evitable from wikipedia so help me to rectify the errors in the article and republish the same.

11:39:38, 26 May 2022 review of submission by Ugoji.john
Good day Wikipedia's, please can someone help me out? I have an Article in sandbox which i have tried to move to the main page but it is replying that "This page is a redirect. The following categories are used to track and monitor this redirect: From a page move: This is a redirect from a page that has been moved (renamed) or is the result of a page move. One reason this page was kept as a redirect is to avoid breaking links, both internal and external, that may have been made to the old page name. Any redirect with a page move logged on its history page should be tagged with this rcat template."

But I want it move, so that my sandbox will be empty.

Can someone help out?? Ugoji.john (talk) 11:39, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
 * , there are a few issues here. First, your article was not ready for main space as it was a combination of essay and promotional material. Second, it has now been nominated for speedy deletion as copyright violation since the bulk of the article is a copy and paste of . It may be helpful to read this guide to writing your first article, as well as familiarizing yourself with copyright policy. In short, Wikipedia articles summarize what reliable sources say about the topic and except for brief quotes, articles never directly copy what the source says.Slywriter (talk) 12:50, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your speedy responds. I applicate your comments but none of the above comments is applicable to the work. Nevertheless, can you help empty my sandbox so that I can put this article as a new one and send it for preview? Ugoji.john (talk) 13:33, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I've removed the redirect, so that you can access the page. You needed to go directly to the page or click the redirected from link to get back to the sandbox. From there, just blanking the page gets rid of redirect. And I would not be so dismissive of copyright violations. Continual violation of copyright can and will lead to restrictions on your ability to edit wikipedia.Slywriter (talk) 13:39, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
 * @Ugoji.john Much of your draft is a word-for-word copy from https://datalab.com.ng/artificial-intelligence-in-nigeria/. I don't know why you say "none of the above comments is applicable...".
 * The source: Leo is an AI-powered digital assistant introduced by the United Bank for Africa in Nigeria. It is a mobile banking chatting platform that is used for financial transactions such as paying bills, checking balances instant responses, football updates.... Hmmmm, there's a comma missing in that phrase after "balances".
 * Your draft: Leo: This is an AI-powered digital assistant introduced by the United Bank for Africa in Nigeria. It is a mobile banking chatting platform that is used for financial transactions such as paying bills, checking balances instant responses, football updates... complete with the same missing comma.
 * That is a copyright violation. 73.127.147.187 (talk) 03:57, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

14:34:58, 26 May 2022 review of submission by 65.51.171.246
because i think people need to know who ill be one day 65.51.171.246 (talk) 14:34, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Please do that on social media- Wikipedia is not social media, but an encyclopedia of topics deemed notable, as shown with significant coverage in independent reliable sources. 331dot (talk) 15:24, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

19:03:12, 26 May 2022 review of draft by Slichsluch
I would like to hear opinions if there is any way to get the draft approved. It was first declined with a "Comment: Paid for puff piece, stuffed with trumpery "largest installer", "world’s first"..." which I generally can understand (though all those adjectives were present in the sources). So I removed all the "firsts" and "largests", leaving only facts and numbers along with the sources. Yet, it's declined again with a statement "This submission appears to read more like an advertisement than an entry in an encyclopedia." which I don't understand.. Any ideas how to make it read like encyclopedia entry? Best, --Slichsluch (talk) 19:03, 26 May 2022 (UTC) Slichsluch (talk) 19:03, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
 * As you have declared as a paid editor, I assume that you represent or work for(directly or indirectly) the company you are writing about. You have a common misunderstanding as to what Wikipedia is and does. Wikipedia is not a place to merely tell about a company and what it does; it is an encyclopedia.  A Wikipedia article about a company must summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own(and not based on materials from the company) to say about the company, showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of a notable company.  Staff interviews, press releases, announcements of routine business activities, and brief mentions do not establish notability.  We don't want to know what the company does, but why the company is significant. 331dot (talk) 20:31, 26 May 2022 (UTC)


 * , thank you for your reply. "A Wikipedia article about a company must summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own(and not based on materials from the company) to say about the company, showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of a notable company" — but this is what the article is about, no?
 * Is it that you think that the company is not notable? I think it is, because it is the largest company in the country. Two editors who declined the draft did not question notability but the tone of the article.. Best, --Slichsluch (talk) 19:42, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
 * It certainly could be notable, but that is not yet demonstrated in the draft by the sources. The sources just document the specific facts given, which is needed, but that is not sufficient to establish notability. It's not enough to just say "it's the largest such company in Australia".  What about its size makes it significant or influential in its field? Microsoft does not merit an article merely because it is a large company, but because of its influence in the field of computing and society more broadly, as independent sources observe it to have. That article doesn't just say "Microsoft sells X copies of Windows a year. 331dot (talk) 19:54, 28 May 2022 (UTC)

Request on 23:19:06, 26 May 2022 for assistance on AfC submission by Academictapatio
Hi, I need assistance with copyright violations. I'm unsure if it's just the sources or how I cited them. I'm also unclear about what needs an inline citation in the "Background" section. Conversely, what could I cut or keep if wanted to make the article into a stub? Thank you!

Academictapatio (talk) 23:19, 26 May 2022 (UTC)


 * @Academictapatio: I'm assuming you mean this Draft:Divya Victor?
 * The first thing I'll say is, please don't edit, remove, or otherwise mess with the AfC tags and comments; they are there for a reason. Thank you. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 06:35, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Copyright law can be tricky, granted, but the basic premise behind it is very simple: you cannot use what isn't yours. You aren't allowed to copy & paste (or too closely paraphrase) text that someone else has written; you need to write in your own words. And you cannot upload an image that you didn't create yourself. The only exception to these rules is where the original creator (or otherwise the copyright owner) has expressly given their permission for their content to be used, in which case we need to see evidence of that. You can read more at WP:CV. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 06:47, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I'll combine my answer to your last two questions (what needs citations, and what to cut or keep) into this: every material statement, and anything potentially contentious, needs to be supported with a citation to a reliable source. If you cannot do so, then remove that content. Why? Because without a source to back it up, it's just your say-so. And given that your draft currently has one source, cited once only, virtually the entirety of it is unsupported, and potentially needs to be removed. Which would, indeed, leave a very short stub, if anything. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 06:54, 27 May 2022 (UTC)


 * @Academictapatio: I've stripped back the draft article, added refs and removed close paraphrasing. Divya Victor is now in mainspace. Other editors can decide if some of the history should be deleted for copyright reasons.Bogger (talk) 09:45, 27 May 2022 (UTC)