Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk/Archives/2022 November 13

= November 13 =

00:24:30, 13 November 2022 review of submission by Cbz123
We have now been notably reviewed a few times, can you publish the article now?

Cbz123 (talk) 00:24, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
 * @Cbz123 There are no reliable sources independent of the subject that have written about it given in the draft, there isn't even any indication of the significance of the podcast. It fails WP:GNG and is currently far to promotional to be approved. Until you can provide 3 sources that are independent, reliable and provide significant coverage of the podcast and rewrite in a much more neutral tone, I will recommend the rejection does not get over turned. McMatter (talk)/(contrib) 03:59, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

03:13:17, 13 November 2022 review of submission by Johnsomark2
I received a notification that I may have a conflict of interest for this article. Can you tell me what that might be? Thanks. :) Johnsomark2 (talk) 03:13, 13 November 2022 (UTC)


 * @johnsomark2: see conflict of interest. lettherebedarklight〔晚安 おやすみ〕ping me when replying 04:00, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
 * For the executive summary of that page, you are considered to have a conflict of interest with the topic if you have a professional, familial, personal, or financial link to the subject of the article or those working directly on the subject's behalf. We discourage editing in areas where you have a conflict of interest because it's next to impossible to write about those topics neutrally, as Wikipedia requires. —Jéské Couriano  v^&lowbar;^v  a little blue Bori 07:58, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

08:06:50, 13 November 2022 review of submission by Pasmanda Waseem Raeen
Pasmanda Waseem Raeen (talk) 08:06, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
 * You don't ask a question, but your draft was rejected, meaning that it will not be considered further. If you have a question, please post it in this section. 331dot (talk) 08:11, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
 * @Pasmanda Waseem Raeen Your "references" aren't cited what-so-ever. We also do not allow significant tracts of Hindi (or other non-English) text in articles, as this is the English-language Wikipedia and our audience generally cannot read/comprehend Hindi. The Hindi text should instead be put on the Hindi Wikipedia, but they're also going to require you to provide sources and properly cite them. —Jéské Couriano  v^&lowbar;^v  a little blue Bori 08:26, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

15:10:03, 13 November 2022 review of draft by Hamzamkf
Hi there,

I'm a beginner and I've tried many time to fix Artist biography page but always the photos and reference appear randomly and not as I did! Please can anyone help me to fix that.

Many thanks,

Best regards,

Hamzamkf (talk) 15:10, 13 November 2022 (UTC)


 * @Hamzamkf: you need to be more specific, what is the problem with the pictures? Although having said that, the pictures aren't important at this stage, as they don't affect the draft's chance of being approved.
 * What does affect it, is referencing: in articles on living people, we require inline citations, which need to support each material statement, anything potentially contentious, and all private personal details such as DOB. Currently your draft has no inline cites, as everything is piled together at the end. Please see WP:REFB and WP:ILC for advice.
 * Finally, you need to disclose any relationship you have with the subject of this draft; I will post a message on your talk page with instructions. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 16:01, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Request on 16:57:01, 13 November 2022 for assistance on AfC submission by Ajo47
Hello, I would like to reply to your editor clarityfiend's last comments to me and to supply the names of Ockner's colleagues listed in Wikipedia. I understand I'm supposed to reply on my own Talk Page, but I can't figure out where to put my reply. Please advise me on how to get my reply to this editor. Thank you. Ajo47 (talk) 16:57, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Ajo47 (talk) 16:57, 13 November 2022 (UTC)


 * I'll ping @Clarityfiend, if this is appropriate. David10244 (talk) 11:02, 18 November 2022 (UTC)


 * I have replied at Ajo47's talk page. Clarityfiend (talk) 19:09, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

18:39:30, 13 November 2022 review of submission by Sportyinfo142
Hi, I am requesting a re-review because Emily played hockey nationally and also won a Queens Jubilee award for services to the country in the voluntary sector this year. She writes blogs for the global mental health charity Mind and also Shout that are seen by 100 000's of people. She also does talks to large audiences about mental health and most recently was invited to an event with Ed Sheeran to talk about mental health. Regardless of her Granddad being a professional footballer with his own Wiki page, Emily has also achieved national success of her own merit. Sportyinfo142 (talk) 18:39, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

18:47:55, 13 November 2022 review of submission by Sportyinfo142
I don't understand why this keeps getting rejected, Emily has competed nationally at sport for England Hockey, and is a major blogger in the mental health sector. She is also in the middle of setting up her own charity to help others struggling with their mental health. Please accept!!! Sportyinfo142 (talk) 18:47, 13 November 2022 (UTC)


 * @Sportyinfo142 the draft has been rejected and will not be considered further. Notability is not inherited, and nothing else in the draft suggests that they are notable. None of the references meet WP:42, and I can't find any news articles about this person online. &mdash; Ingenuity (talk &bull; contribs) 19:03, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

19:07:47, 13 November 2022 review of submission by IsaacGang
Why was my article declined because it is a biography, but there is an option for a biography during submission? IsaacGang (talk) 19:07, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
 * It was not specifically declined for being an autobiography, though you were advised it usually is not a good idea to attempt to write about yourself. Please read the autobiography policy. Wikipedia is not a place for people to tell the world about themselves, it is a place to summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about you, showing how you meet Wikipedia's special definition of a notable person. Trying to force the issue of an article isn't often successful; it's best to allow independent editors to organically take note of coverage of you and choose to write about you on their own. If you wish to proceed anyway, you will need to radically rewrite the draft to only summarize what others say about you- this is usually difficult for people to do about themselves. 331dot (talk) 20:23, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you, 331dot. This makes sense and I agree. I am a newbie and I am still learning about Wikipedia policy on "notable person." I was totally ignorant of this. And in my defense - not that it is necessary, I didn't write the contents of the page. Someone else did, though I did agree with what they said about me when they approached me. They were just intimidated with the process of submitting so I thought I could do the submission myself (again, refer to my ignorance). I appreciate the feedback. I did include several independent sources in the last submission hoping this will improve the chance. No biggie if it does not. IsaacGang (talk) 18:38, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

Request on 21:48:32, 13 November 2022 for assistance on AfC submission by Marthature
Hi there - after several edits, today I am informed that my article on pedal steel guitarist Bobby Black has been declined because it lacks reliable sources and much of it is unsourced. I dispute the statement that it lacks reliable sources and I dispute the statement that much of it is unsourced. I recommend pointing out to me what your people think is unsourced and unreliable sources.

I also wish to state that I have experienced repeated instances of rude, unprofessional communication from Wikipedia editors. I have made this clear to Jimmy Wales. Marthature (talk) 21:48, 13 November 2022 (UTC)


 * @Marthature Argumentum ad Jimbo doesn't work nowadays as he is little more than a figurehead. Bear in mind this list is primarily about the claims that would require a source per WP:Biographies of living persons.
 * Bobby Black (Robert Lee Black) was born in Prescott, Arizona in 1934. - Source? For biographies of living and recently-departed people you can't slap the source on the end of the paragraph and call it good; the citation must be at the claim itself.
 * During his childhood, Black listened to pop and big-band music on the radio. - Source?
 * Black also listened to Western swing as played by Bob Wills and his Texas Playboys Bob Wills and Spade Cooley, whose steel guitar player Earl “Joaquin” Murphey caught Bobby’s attention. - Source? This is also a bit of a run-on sentence.
 * In 1947, the Black family moved to San Mateo, California[.] - Source? (For links to other Wikipedia articles you don't include the full URL; you instead write (article name) or (display text) .)
 * In 1948, on his 14th birthday, Bobby received a six-string Rickenbacker[...]steel guitar and amplifier.[Malformed external link removed] - Source? (The external link provided, even if it weren't malformed, cannot be used to confirm this specific claim.)
 * He toured widely with Crawford, traveling in Texas and all over the mid-west. - Source?
 * Black and his wife settled in San Mateo, and he went to work for Pacific Bell; Larry married soon after and worked at Lockheed. - The first claim definitely needs a source, the second one needs one if Larry is still alive and should have one anyways if he has departed.
 * [...]a widely watched San Francisco Bay Area live television show. - Irrelevant. 86 this.
 * Both men were holding down day jobs, supporting their families, and working in two bands. - Source?
 * They shopped the tape around Los Angeles[...] - Source?
 * [...]in early 1961, Dore Records issued several vocal singles of the Blacks under the name The Tides[...] - Source?
 * The Dolton label issued three of the Blacks’ instrumentals under the name the Five Whispers from 1962 to ’64. - Source?
 * ...Black was not happy with the material the band was playing, and he returned to the Bay Area. - Source?
 * Black joined the band, transforming it from a bar band to a highly polished and professional troupe of musicians. - Editorialising. You're documenting his life, not writing as if he was a saint. Even rewritten this would require a source.
 * Black has played continuously since leaving Asleep At TheWheel. - Source? The sentence that follows this should be 86'd as irrelevant; at best it's a claim of notability-by-osmosis which we do not accept and which hurts an article.
 * Black married Marlene Bender in 1953. - Source?
 * They have two sons... - Everything represented by the ellipsis needs to be deleted as irrelevant.
 * They divorced in 1959. - Source?
 * In 1973 he married Sheila Ann Owen. - Source?
 * Nothing in the discography section should require a source (we consider looking at liner notes/credits to be enough to verify these barring an uncredited appearance or one under an unfamiliar pseudonym). However, it needs to be drastically cut down to his most important/notable credits, as proven by news reports and reviews of those performances/albums.
 * In short, you have a few unsourced biographical claims that need to be sourced, and you need to convert the Wikipedia URLs to internal links. —Jéské Couriano  v^&lowbar;^v  a little blue Bori 22:55, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

21:50:45, 13 November 2022 review of submission by Rockoutto
At the time the band which I am writing about wasn't significant. Now PHELIXX Lake has over 6,500 monthly listeners on Spotify, 1000+ Tik Tok/Instagram/Facebook Followers. Rockoutto (talk) 21:50, 13 November 2022 (UTC)


 * Spotify/Pandora audiences and social media subscriptions/followers are irrelevant. Refer to User:Jéské Couriano/Decode:
 * We can't use https://independentmusicnews24.com/releases/phelixx-lake-recovery-builds-a-massive-atmosphere (unknown provenance). Role byline; who wrote this? (The reason we distrust role or absent bylines is because they're usually used to publish churnalism and advertorials.)
 * " " " https://newsoundexpress.co.uk/testifying-to-the-ironically-uncathartic-process-of-healing-recovery-is-the-rocking-new-single-from-phelixx-lake (" "). " "; " " "? (" " " " " " " " " " " " " ".)
 * We can't use https://musichitbox.co.uk/featuring-collaborating-artists-from-across-the-states-italy-and-england-phelixx-lake-drops-the-huge-new-single-recovery (unknown provenance). Omitted byline; who wrote this?
 * https://newmusictimes.co.uk/exploring-the-intrepid-path-to-recovery-phelixx-lake-unleashes-his-powerful-new-single-recovery has been discussed and dismissed; it's the exact same source content-wise as New Sound Express.
 * https://jamsphere.com/newreleases/phelixx-lake-recovery-earth-shattering-sonics-and-massive-guitar-riffs has been discussed and dismissed; this is the exact same source as the Independent Music News one, which raises the question of whether or not the author of this piece actually wrote it or they're just sacrificing one of their staff's credibility to publish what amounts to an advertorial...
 * ...and https://soundlooks.com/2022/10/phelixx-lake-recovery-the-right-combination-of-emotion-and-grit/ establishes that it is the latter, being yet another carbon copy of the Independent Music News source under a different person's byline. Even looking at this charitably this and the Jamsphere sources would be plagiarism or copyright violations barring evidence one of these predates all others.
 * https://soundspiked.com/aiming-to-pull-his-audience-into-a-deeper-introspective-level-the-debut-single-recovery-from-phelixx-lake-is-out-now is another carbon copy of the New Sound Express source.
 * In essence, you have only three sources, two of which are cited three times and none of which are helpful for notability. The copypasta'd sources are churnalism at best and more likely payola. The only source that is unique is MusicHitBox, and even then it doesn't provide a byline. —Jéské Couriano  v^&lowbar;^v  a little blue Bori 22:11, 13 November 2022 (UTC)