Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk/Archives/2022 November 15

= November 15 =

01:01:36, 15 November 2022 review of draft by SJSchiffer
I keep getting declined for this page. I have made sure that my sources are "from "magazines, journals, and news coverage (not opinions) from mainstream newspapers." per the Wikipedia guidelines, and he is a notable figure, an award-winning chef in Denver. I am modeling my submission after another page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lon_Symensma . He is of similar renown (award-winning chef in Denver) and the pages are not different. Why do I keep getting rejected? Please help. SJSchiffer (talk) 01:01, 15 November 2022 (UTC)


 * @SJSchiffer DISCLOSE. (I saw your thread on WP:IRC/wikipedia-en-help where you mentioned that Guard and Symensma were your clients.) —Jéské Couriano  v^&lowbar;^v  a little blue Bori 01:06, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you, learning how to do that now. SJSchiffer (talk) 01:13, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

02:10:37, 15 November 2022 review of draft by Jarpedro
my submission was declined due to "reliable sources" but I had included all sources correctly on the submission. I am not sure what i need to change. Jarpedro (talk) 02:10, 15 November 2022 (UTC)


 * @Jarpedro Your sources are not actually cited. See Help:Referencing for beginners for more details. Note that as this is a biography of a living person we cannot accept sources just blindly tacked onto the end of the article; they must be cited in-line. —Jéské Couriano  v^&lowbar;^v  a little blue Bori 02:38, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

04:29:08, 15 November 2022 review of submission by Odurra
Odurra (talk) 04:29, 15 November 2022 (UTC)


 * Draft has since been deleted as blatant and irreparable advertizing/promotion; matter now moot. —Jéské Couriano  v^&lowbar;^v  a little blue Bori 06:13, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

09:13:55, 15 November 2022 review of draft by Infinity6542
So I'll get straight to the point - my draft's been declined thrice now but my message isn't a complaint. I would like to know how I can improve my sources, as the feedback on all three denials were about in-depth, reliable, secondary and independent sources. So basically may I please have more specific feedback, as well as maybe a point in the direction? Thanks.

Infinity6542 (talk) 09:13, 15 November 2022 (UTC)


 * @Infinity6542 Welcome to the AfC Help Desk!
 * As the reviewer said, the article isn't shown to meet notability guidelines. If you can find more reliable, in-depth, independent sources, you may meet the guidelines.
 * For more info, check the links the reviewer left for you. Thanks, echidnaLives  -  talk  -  edits  09:51, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
 * @Infinity6542: as it says in those decline notices, we need to see significant coverage of the company, in multiple independent and reliable secondary sources such as newspapers, TV, etc. Sources that merely verify their existence, such as the CoHo record, do not count; nor does routine business reporting (investment rounds, appointments, new markets or channel partners, etc.); nor do close primary sources such as the company's own website. The relevant notability guideline is WP:GNG, which has been further expanded in WP:ORGCRIT to cover companies and other organisations. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 09:51, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
 * I've also posted a COI query on your talk page, please respond to it. Thanks, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 09:52, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

09:33:01, 15 November 2022 review of submission by Dhivyaadhanu
The above page is kept on rejected. I have done the required changes and submitted all the proofs I have at this time. I couldn't get the reason clearly. Kindly, help/guide me to get the page published. Thank you!

Dhivyaadhanu (talk) 09:33, 15 November 2022 (UTC)


 * @Dhivyaadhanu: it hasn't been rejected, only declined, with the advice to wait until the film has been released and has become properly notable. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 09:45, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the response @DoubleGrazing! Is there any way that I can make the movie published before the release? Dhivyaadhanu (talk) 07:02, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
 * @Dhivyaadhanu why are you in such a hurry to publish it? Has this something to do with your COI? -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 07:05, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
 * One of my connections is working for the movie and they want to publish it before the film goes live. That's why I am looking for the possibilities. Dhivyaadhanu (talk) 07:15, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
 * @Dhivyaadhanu in other words, they/you want to use Wikipedia as part of your launch promotions. Nope, that's not how this works. Sorry, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 07:22, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Hooo... Thank you @DoubleGrazing! Dhivyaadhanu (talk) 07:33, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

11:59:16, 15 November 2022 review of submission by 2405:201:6815:A14C:4456:A308:1A67:4967
This Wikipedia Page Draft is about the Bulandshahr's News Publisher. Please help us to expanding this page. 2405:201:6815:A14C:4456:A308:1A67:4967 (talk) 11:59, 15 November 2022 (UTC)


 * This draft has been rejected and will not be considered further. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 13:23, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

14:39:21, 15 November 2022 review of submission by Raylaur15
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankie_McIntosh

Dear Wiki Editors: You recently accepted ny Wiki article on Vincentian musician Frankie McIntosh. However, the editor ONE1596 put up a Warning Heading regarding the possibility of “undisclosed payments” and that the article on Frankie McIntosh may need “clean up.” I assure you that I received no payments from Frankie McIntosh, the subject of the article, or anyone else. The page was written completely gratis by me. Is there a form I must sign to confirm this? I do not believe I violated Wiki’s “neutral point of view” policies. The laudatory language regarding McIntosh’s work as a music arranger does not come from me. These are published, direct quotations from well-regarded Caribbean Music critics Dawad Philip (Amsterdam News), Nelson King (Caribbean Life and the Vincentian), and Les Slater (Class Magazine). The final paragraph on McIntosh’s accomplishments comes directly from the remarks at the ceremony where he was awarded an honorary Doctorate from the University of the West Indies (as reported by Nelson King in Caribbean Life). I included these quotations as a way of summarizing his accomplishments and establishing his notoriety through outside sources. Are these quotations not appropriate? If so, I will remove them. I would greatly appreciate your advice regarding anything else that needs to be done to “clean up” the article. This is my first attempt at a Wiki article and would like to get it right! I am not sure about the best way to communicate with you is. I just removed the Warning Heading and tried to explain the situation to ONE 1596 when I clicked “Publish Changes” after editing out the Warning. Is there another procedure I need to go through?

My user name is: Raylaur15 Looking forward to your advice and thanks for your time!

Raylaur15 (talk) 14:39, 15 November 2022 (UTC)


 * Hi @Raylaur15: this is no longer an AfC matter, since the draft has been accepted and published, and your query doesn't relate to the AfC process; you may wish to take your query eg. to the TEAHOUSE instead.
 * You generally shouldn't remove maintenance tags just because you disagree with them, and you certainly shouldn't do so more than once. You should instead (and I would recommend doing this before going to the teahouse) take the matter up with the editor who tagged the article, on their talk page. Best, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 14:49, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Thaks for your response. I'm afraid I have already taken down the maintenance tag with an explanation.
 * So how do I contact the editor ONE1596 to discuss further?
 * Sorry if I am breaking protocol, I'm just very confused about how to contact the correct folks.
 * thanks, Raylaur 15 2603:7000:8106:B298:AC0A:75C8:FFF4:B952 (talk) 14:55, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Every user has their own user talk page, just like you have yours at User talk:Raylaur15.
 * And please log into your account when editing/messaging. Thanks, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 15:00, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

15:52:04, 15 November 2022 review of submission by Bainzy1978
Hi there i received a messgae saying that my draft looked to much like an advertisement and was refused when its just a company history and profile much like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thrustmaster. Can someone point out what changes i need to make? sorry completely new to Wikipedia Bainzy1978 (talk) 15:52, 15 November 2022 (UTC)


 * @Bainzy1978: the short answer is, this needs to be rewritten pretty much entirely. You shouldn't write what you want to say about the subject; you summarise what reliable and independent published sources have said about it. This draft currently cites no sources of any kind, so the first thing you need to do is find sources that meet the WP:GNG notability standard, and precis what they have said. See WP:YFA and WP:REFB for advice. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 15:59, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
 * And to answer your talk page question  In 2021, the MOIN camera gimbal and W10 Pro wireless microphone were both released by MOZA, as well as a first look into their research and development of active car suspension, which debuted at the Shanghai International Auto Show (citation needed). is clearly copied from somewhere otherwise the citation information wouldn't be present. If you have a Conflict of Interest, please diclose it @Bainzy1978 Star   Mississippi  19:58, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

16:22:02, 15 November 2022 review of submission by 2A00:23C6:1E9F:3001:78BA:7AEF:4EA2:C031
2A00:23C6:1E9F:3001:78BA:7AEF:4EA2:C031 (talk) 16:22, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

I had the below Talk with PaulW who rejected the Wiki submission in May, I then added offline media coverage, because he said it would be accepted in good faith, and it has still been rejected, this is unfair. Please honour what PaulW said and accept the offline media coverage in good faith and accept this Wiki submission so it can be published:

Request on 22:02:14, 20 May 2022 for assistance on AfC submission by PressgirlV

PressgirlV (talk · contribs) Draft:Bukky Leo (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) Draft:Bukky Leo You rejected this draft on 13th May 2022. I have mostly offline sources for citations, but I have checked and I have scans of offline coverage in The Guardian, Jazzwise and The Independent from 1989 onwards. Will you accept scans, or can I show them to you? Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by PressgirlV (talk • contribs) 22:50, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

The Guardian may have online versions of the content you mention (worth checking). Even if they aren't, then we assume good faith in you adding them as sources, so long as the authors of the articles, titles and dates, etc, are clearly stated. Please note that, if possible, they need to be substantial coverage of the subject, not just passing mentions. Paul W (talk) 12:48, 21 May 2022 (UTC)

Thanks so much Paul, yes I have The Guardian, The Telegraph, and other, all substantial coverage of Bukky , all offline scans and not available online as they were published in late 80s-90s- early 00s, so the early stuff was before the internet! Good that you will assume good faith, excellent news will add those in now as inline citations. PressgirlV (talk) 16:37, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

17:40:07, 15 November 2022 review of submission by Lemonaka
Hello, reviewers. This article is a direct translation from a sub-stab of Japanese Wikipedia but declined here by AFC. I wondered that if the topic of this article is poor notability itself, or have not been cited enough? Lemonaka (talk) 17:37, 15 November 2022 (UTC)


 * @Lemonaka: whether the topic is notable or not depends on whether it has been covered in sources that meet the WP:GNG standard. Currently the draft only cites two sources, both of which are close and primary, and therefore notability has not been established. (The fact that this exists on the Japanese Wikipedia has no bearing on the matter, as each language version is completely separate, with their own notability etc. policies.) Best, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 18:23, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

19:34:51, 15 November 2022 review of submission by 27 is the best number
If I remember correctly, notability alone is not enough to delete a draft. However, it has been declined many times... What should we do? 27 is my favorite number. You can ask me why here. 19:34, 15 November 2022 (UTC)


 * You will know no mercy from this Neopet, especially as I've already Bastard Helper From Hell'd this draft. I'm seeing a wealth of sources - I.E. pretty much every source I critiqued back in September - that were already discussed and dismissed the last time I looked at this, so I am not going to repeat advice that has evidently fallen on deaf ears. Read the previous BHFH for information on those sources.
 * We don't cite LinkedIn (too sparse, connexion to subject).
 * http://vincentrussell.info/interactive-digital/digital-artefact-the-scale-of-the-universe/ is useless for notability (wrong subject). I will say this again so that it hopefully sinks in: Coverage of the Huangs' works is not the same as coverage of the Huangs.
 * https://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap181007.html is useless for notability (Government document, too sparse). Photo credit on NASA's website. Government sources are primary by definition.
 * https://culturainquieta.com/es/lifestyle/item/19503-algunas-paginas-web-singulares-de-internet.html is useless for notability (wrong subject, too sparse). Listicle that is about their website. Once again, coverage of the Huangs' works is not the same as coverage of the Huangs.
 * https://refresher.cz/116230-Prozkoumej-velikost-znameho-vesmiru-diky-fascinujicimu-projektu is useless for notability (wrong subject, too sparse). Coverage of the Huangs' works is not the same as coverage of the Huangs.
 * https://singularityhub.com/2012/04/15/the-scale-of-the-universe-2%E2%80%B3-animation-made-by-14-year-olds-is-mind-blowing/ is borderline at best. It discusses the Huangs, yes, but the source mainly uses them as a prop to discuss their work and rant about educational publishers, to the point it reads less like discussion of the Huangs and more an op-ed about education companies and publishers being incompetent. This isn't a source I would use.
 * None of the new sources are of much use, and all of the old sources are still present. Stop wasting our time with junk sources. —Jéské Couriano  v^&lowbar;^v  a little blue Bori 20:32, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
 * I missed one: I have questions about the provenance of https://singularityhub.com/2012/04/15/the-scale-of-the-universe-2%E2%80%B3-animation-made-by-14-year-olds-is-mind-blowing/ as I question whether or not the newsletter would publish individual stories in this way, especially back in 2008. This seems more like it's a fragment that was clipped out of the whole. —Jéské Couriano  v^&lowbar;^v  a little blue Bori 20:41, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

20:15:43, 15 November 2022 review of submission by 86.1.199.26
86.1.199.26 (talk) 20:15, 15 November 2022 (UTC)


 * This will not be approved unless an independent editor works on it Star   Mississippi  20:19, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

21:37:18, 15 November 2022 review of draft by 2601:246:5900:CEA0:75DC:B22:F979:CEC1
I thought I had the criteria correct for references but need help I guess. Perhaps I can just delete some of the references as most of the material is also in the newspaper articles sited. I'd appreciate help since I am just learning Wikipedia and want to learn it correctly. I am not sure when a reference citation is needed and when it is not needed. 2601:246:5900:CEA0:75DC:B22:F979:CEC1 (talk) 21:37, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

2601:246:5900:CEA0:75DC:B22:F979:CEC1 (talk) 21:37, 15 November 2022 (UTC)


 * Please see my answer to your next question. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 08:07, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

Request on 21:49:29, 15 November 2022 for assistance on AfC submission by 2601:246:5900:CEA0:75DC:B22:F979:CEC1
I thought I was doing this correctly but need assistance. I read that you needed newspaper articles and such and thought I cited them correctly. Appreciate any help. 2601:246:5900:CEA0:75DC:B22:F979:CEC1 (talk) 21:49, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

2601:246:5900:CEA0:75DC:B22:F979:CEC1 (talk) 21:49, 15 November 2022 (UTC)


 * You have listed some sources, that is true. However, they are not cited very clearly, so it is difficult to see what the sources actually are, and which parts of the draft they support. Our preferred way of referencing is using inline citations and footnotes, please see WP:REFB and WP:ILC for advice.
 * Having said which, this draft wasn't declined for lack of references, but for its promotional nature. Wikipedia articles must be written in a neutral and factual manner, not like marketing blurb.
 * It is also obvious that this draft, and hence you as the creator, have some relationship with the organisation behind appreciationatwork.com, and therefore, before you do anything else, you must disclose your relationship with that organisation. I have posted a message on your user talk page with more information and instructions on how to do this. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 08:06, 16 November 2022 (UTC)