Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk/Archives/2022 November 26

= November 26 =

05:24:08, 26 November 2022 review of submission by Dirtypillowlmao
Hello. This page I have written is a English translation of a Spanish Wikipedia article on a subject I am interested in. Here is the original article: https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justo_Armas Thank you for your time. Dirtypillowlmao (talk) 05:24, 26 November 2022 (UTC)


 * Different Wikipediae have different standards in re sourcing and content, and the English Wikipedia tends to both have tougher standards than most other projects and more rigourous enforcement. That this is a translation from es.wp means little. I will note that a disproportionate amount of your sources appear to be website homepages, which are useless as sources. —Jéské Couriano  v^&lowbar;^v  a little blue Bori 07:23, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
 * The book Problems in Modern Mexican History Sources and Interpretations 2017 might be a good place to start for discussion and references. The closest person that I can think of with such an odd question about existance who does have a page is Emperor Norton.Naraht (talk) 19:26, 1 December 2022 (UTC)

12:12:51, 26 November 2022 review of submission by EmuFan
EmuFan (talk) 12:12, 26 November 2022 (UTC)

I reached out to the previous article reviewer (Zxcvbnm) on their talk page, as was recommended here the last time I used this "Ask for help" function. Unfortunately, at some point after several weeks of waiting, they simply deleted my message off their talk page, without a response. Can we please get this article re-reviewed by someone?
 * Who is "we"? Please describe what has changed since the draft was rejected. If new sources have come to light, please offer them. 331dot (talk) 13:34, 26 November 2022 (UTC)


 * Sorry, we = the people who have contributed to this article. What has changed is a couple years' worth of significant notability via articles on reputable/industry standard websites. EmuFan (talk) 13:57, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
 * I can list them in here, if needed. They're already in the draft article. EmuFan (talk) 13:57, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
 * It's okay. I'm willing to let it be resubmitted. I'll add the template. 331dot (talk) 15:14, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Much appreciated. EmuFan (talk) 16:14, 26 November 2022 (UTC)

16:13:51, 26 November 2022 review of submission by BioMatMan
Hi, I recently uploaded my second article on relevant academics in the field of bioinspired and sustainable materials. Specifically one about professor Fernandez Draft:Javier_G._Fernandez. Today I received a comment that my article has been declined, suggesting that it wasn't supported by enough secondary references. I'm new to this, so before preparing the article I went through the Wikipedia definition of reliable secondary sources and excluded those which didn't fit. I ended up adding 53 references from CNN, New_scientist, The_New_York_Times, Wired_(magazine), The_Guardian... spamming from 2012 to this year (I actually read that a good way to know if a secondary source was legit was to check if it had a Wikipedia article, which I did)... I added some primary references (i.e., scientific articles by prof. Fernandez) in those points I thought they were important but only when they were also supported by secondary ones. I had the impression I did a good job, so I must confess I got the rejection with sadness. Since I have put quite a lot of time into preparing this article, I was hoping I could get more detailed information on what I did wrong and how I could improve it.

BioMatMan (talk) 16:13, 26 November 2022 (UTC)


 * As a side note, I am curious if this is the usual way, but to prepare this article, I read several articles about other scientists close to Prof. Fernandez. Specifically, I used what I learned writing Peter Fratzl, the article on Donald E. Ingber, and the article on Samira Musah, who is listed as a notable student of the previous one (Same for Draft:Javier G. Fernandez). BioMatMan (talk) 16:31, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
 * @BioMatMan: the first thing to say is, your draft wasn't rejected (which would be the end of the road), only declined, meaning you're welcome to resubmit once you've addressed the decline reasons.
 * Secondly, the reviewer expressly invited you to contact them if you disagreed with the review. Have you done that? The reviewer always has the advantage of having spent some time and effort trying to get to the bottom of things, whereas here at help desk we're looking at these reviews from the position of outsiders, to some extent.
 * I'll also mention that having 53 (!) cites may sound like a convincing case, but a large number like that actually becomes counterproductive (see WP:REFBOMBING) as it makes it difficult to find the substantive sources which actually establish notability, from the proverbial haystack of dross. You don't really need several sources to support most statements, so you would be better off picking the strongest and discarding the rest.
 * Note also that it isn't enough for sources to be of high quality, they must also provide significant coverage of the subject. Case in point: The Guardian is indeed a reliable secondary source, but the article cited makes only two mentions of Fernandez, and as such does not establish notability. HTH, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 16:55, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Dear @DoubleGrazing, Thank you for your fast and informative answer. As I mentioned, I'm pretty new to this, so from the message, I understood that this was the venue for such questions.My apologies for the mistake, it never occurred to me that I could write directly to the reviewer. I completely agree with the point that adding overlapping references doesn't add information. In the specific case you mentioned, I added them because it was a general statement (XXX is considered...), so I thought that even if overlapping, using only one reference might not suffice to make such a generalization. Also, I thought that adding too many references, while it is not the proper etiquette for published articles, would help to assess notability at this stage.
 * Thanks again for your reply. Just to confirm, the proper way to contact the reviewer is by writing on their Talk page (User talk:Cabrils), right? BioMatMan (talk) 17:14, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
 * @BioMatMan: you're right, this is very much the right place to ask questions, you're welcome to do that, and no need to apologise in the slightest. I was only making the point that the reviewer will be better acquainted with the draft, and may be able to offer more specific advice than any of us here (or at least myself). Best, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 17:24, 26 November 2022 (UTC)

16:50:50, 26 November 2022 review of submission by Aerials34
Aerials34 (talk) 16:50, 26 November 2022 (UTC)


 * @Aerials34: you don't ask a question, but your draft has been rejected and won't be considered further. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 16:56, 26 November 2022 (UTC)

Request on 23:38:49, 26 November 2022 for assistance on AfC submission by Ckeedy
Hello, I am trying to enrich Wikipedia with information related to MR Ely El Khoury. I need to create this page. I don't understand why it's rejected. please help me

Ckeedy (talk) 23:38, 26 November 2022 (UTC)


 * @Ckeedy Refer to User:Jéské Couriano/Decode:
 * https://www.forbesmiddleeast.com/lists/30-under-30-2022/ely-el-khoury-rudy-wehbe/ is useless for notability (too sparse). Forbes' "30 Under 30" isn't the sort of accolade that could grant notability since it isn't particularly exclusive, and the writeup itself says very little about Khoury specifically.
 * I cannot assess https://tv.lahamag.com/watch/3336/%D8%A7%D9%8A%D9%84%D9%8A-%D9%88-%D8%B1%D9%88%D8%AF%D9%8A-%D8%A7%D8%B5%D8%AD%D8%A7%D8%A8-%D9%81%D9%84%D8%A7%D8%AA%D8%B1-%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%86%D8%AC%D9%85%D8%A7%D8%AA-%D9%8A%D9%83%D8%B4%D9%81%D9%88%D9%86-%D8%A7%D9%88%D8%B1%D8%A7%D9%82%D9%87%D9%85-%D8%A8%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%A7%D8%B1%D9%82%D8%A7%D9%85 (language barrier). Automated translation does not work on AV media.
 * We can't use https://english.sawtbeirut.com/entertainment/a-new-success-achieved-by-the-entrepreneur-and-the-engineer-ely-el-khoury/ (unknown provenance). No byline; the article credits what appears to be another news outlet. Can you provide the original source?
 * We can't use either YouTube cite (unknown provenance). We can only cite YouTube if (1) the video is produced by an outlet we'd ordinarily consider a reliable source and (2) the video is uploaded to that outlet's verified channel.
 * Even assuming the lahamag source is usable (and I'm sceptical it is; it seems like an interview) one source in and of itself is never going to be enough to justify an article on any topic, let alone meet WP:Biographies of living persons' sourcing requirements. —Jéské Couriano  v^&lowbar;^v  a little blue Bori 23:51, 26 November 2022 (UTC)