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= November 29 =

Request on 01:04:49, 29 November 2022 for assistance on AfC submission by Real Factual Content
I have information that I'm trying to add on a subject who has more articles and information then most but its getting rejected please advise.

Real Factual Content (talk) 01:04, 29 November 2022 (UTC)

01:55:40, 29 November 2022 review of submission by Real Factual Content
The subject has more articles then most on actors on Wikipedia's platform I have taken the liberty of attaching some for ref. I've also added the links to actors who also has less articles written.

https://filmmakerlife.com/will-thompson-talks-inspiration-and-getting-into-the-film-industry/

https://rollingout.com/2022/04/28/award-winning-filmmaker-will-thompson-scores-big-with-good-intentions/

https://celebmix.com/the-acts-of-will-thompsons-good-intentions/

https://emonthlynews.com/will-thompson-returns-in-style-with-good-intentions/?amp=1

https://thechicagojournal.com/for-will-thompson-the-streets-of-chicago-has-a-story-to-tell/

https://eyesonhollywood.com/index.php/2021/09/15/spotlight-on-actor-director-will-thompson/

https://thisis50.com/2022/03/31/will-thompson-believes-that-if-youre-going-to-dream-you-should-dream-big/

https://voyageny.com/will-thompson-to-start-casting-for-new-film-talk-to-me/?amp=1

https://www.imdb.com/name/nm3597090/

There's lots more.

He starred along Mark Taylor https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Taylor_(Canadian_actor) in the award-winning short film Related Destiny

He starred along Eltony Williams https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eltony_Williams in the award-winning film Good Intentions

He starred along Lil JJ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lil%27_JJ

He starred along Kurt Naebig https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurt_Naebig

He starred along Dan Flannery https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Flannery

He has more articles written on him than most people he's been in movies with they all have Wiki pages, but you guys denied our article on Will Thompson.

I would like to know how these people are noteworthy but not him? From our understanding he's the reason they were all in the film Good Intentions which has won awards.

Please advise. Real Factual Content (talk) 01:55, 29 November 2022 (UTC)


 * @Real Factual Content Refer to User:Jéské Couriano/Decode.
 * We can't use https://filmmakerlife.com/will-thompson-talks-inspiration-and-getting-into-the-film-industry/ (unknown provenance). No byline; who wrote this? (We do not trust sources without bylines/attribution because they're usually useless churnalism.)
 * https://rollingout.com/2022/04/28/award-winning-filmmaker-will-thompson-scores-big-with-good-intentions/ is useless for notability (connexion to subject). Interview with non-substantial lede.
 * We can't use https://celebmix.com/the-acts-of-will-thompsons-good-intentions/ (unknown provenance). Attributed to a "Monella", which I can only assume is another outlet; can you provide the original?
 * https://emonthlynews.com/will-thompson-returns-in-style-with-good-intentions/?amp=1 is useless for notability (wrong subject). The source is about the film and barely talks about Thompson. Coverage of the film is not coverage of its cast and crew.
 * https://thechicagojournal.com/for-will-thompson-the-streets-of-chicago-has-a-story-to-tell/ is borderline. The article splits the cow between Thompson and Good Intentions, but the issue is a lot of the information in the article about Thompson is quoted from him.
 * We can't use https://eyesonhollywood.com/index.php/2021/09/15/spotlight-on-actor-director-will-thompson/ (unknown provenance). Role byline; who wrote this?
 * We can't use https://thisis50.com/2022/03/31/will-thompson-believes-that-if-youre-going-to-dream-you-should-dream-big/ (unknown provenance/connexion to subject). Thisis50.com is a black-hat SEO website; its articles are advertorials pretending to be actual news.
 * We can't use https://voyageny.com/will-thompson-to-start-casting-for-new-film-talk-to-me/?amp=1 (no editorial oversight). The article has a boilerplate op-ed disclaimer at the foot of the article.
 * We can't use IMDb (No editorial oversight).
 * The other five articles are completely and utterly irrelevant as we do not believe in notability-by-osmosis. I will note, however, three of them predate the modern Articles for Creation process and the other two were never drafted in the first place (one was created in 2020 by an auto-confirmed editor; the other created in 2017 before WP:ACPERM went into effect in 2018). —Jéské Couriano  v^&lowbar;^v  a little blue Bori 06:25, 29 November 2022 (UTC)

09:45:39, 29 November 2022 review of submission by GabrielleNSmith
I have adjusted the tone and wording on Mr. Dutch. Please provide advice or any particular copy that still remains biased. Thank you.

GabrielleNSmith (talk) 09:45, 29 November 2022 (UTC)


 * @GabrielleNSmith: this draft has been rejected, which means it will not be considered further. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 09:48, 29 November 2022 (UTC)
 * You have not addressed the conflict of interest and paid editing issues. 331dot (talk) 09:49, 29 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Please explain how I can address this? I have not been paid to produce this page nor do I have a conflict of interest. I am a writer and simply noticed the artist did not have a Wiki page. This is my first contribution and would like to understand what changes can be made to publish the page and have better understanding for any future pages I wish to write. GabrielleNSmith (talk) 09:52, 29 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Please can you explain why? The artist does not currently have a Wiki page and I should be able to objectively write a page on them? GabrielleNSmith (talk) 09:50, 29 November 2022 (UTC)
 * @GabrielleNSmith: the reasons have been extensively explained at the various stages throughout the review process, including at the final rejection. Please refer to those.
 * Note also that you have been asked over two months ago to disclose any conflict of interest you may have in this subject, which you have so far failed to do. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 09:55, 29 November 2022 (UTC)
 * My apologies, I am new to contributing on Wiki. I do not have a conflict of interest on the subject. I am unsure on how to prove this other than stating I am completely objective. I understand the tone of the copy has been previously mentioned and I have addressed this when amending and updating the copy. GabrielleNSmith (talk) 09:57, 29 November 2022 (UTC)

Request on 11:14:02, 29 November 2022 for assistance on AfC submission by Lordofcorona
Lordofcorona (talk) 11:14, 29 November 2022 (UTC)


 * Hello @Lordofcorona. The article is not notable enough for Wikipedia, and will not be considered further, as Bonadea said. Thanks, echidnaLives  -  talk  -  edits  11:16, 29 November 2022 (UTC)

16:43:30, 29 November 2022 review of draft by Purshottam Budhwani
Hello, please let me know how i can improve this draft about Purshottam Budhwani(Social Worker). I have also added few references in Hindi but the draft got declined due to some reason. I'm unable to understand the issue behind it. kindly guide me to improve my draft

Purshottam Budhwani (talk) 16:43, 29 November 2022 (UTC)


 * You need more sources. Where else does this person appear online in reputable sources? If they don't appear in many more, perhaps they are not relevant enough for an article. TheManInTheBlackHat (talk) 16:46, 29 November 2022 (UTC)
 * @Purshottam Budhwani: there is no indication that the subject is notable; for that, you need to cite sources that meet the WP:GNG standard, and you also need to demonstrate a reason why this should be included in a global encyclopaedia.
 * Too much of the content is also unsupported by referencing, and you need to improve on that, as unreferenced content is not allowed in articles on living people.
 * You should also read and understand the advice against creating autobiographies, at WP:AUTOBIO. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 16:47, 29 November 2022 (UTC)

20:41:53, 29 November 2022 review of submission by OttoMäkelä
Can someone please explain in detail why rocket.chat cannot even be a stub page? Exactly what is wrong with the given references?

The standards enforcement for new pages unfortunately seems rather arbitrary, for example compare how MicMac (software) was created in 2020 without anyone raising notability or reference issues, and even the original stub tag disappears at some point.

OttoMäkelä (talk) 20:41, 29 November 2022 (UTC)


 * @OttoMäkelä the length of an article is not as much of concern as the sources supporting it. I suggest giving WP:NCORP a thorough read.  As for other articles, see WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS.  Unfortunately, things still get by even today that may not meet guidelines.  I suggest if you are going to use an article for comparison, look for one that has met Good article status.  If you resubmit the draft, I also strongly suggest proving WP:THREE on the draft's talk page.  S0091 (talk) 21:02, 29 November 2022 (UTC)

22:55:37, 29 November 2022 review of submission by 24boxes media
I am sorry but i fail to understand on what basis is the article being rejected? I have provided external links linking to the actors work. I have and still am providing references to the actors work. He deserves due credit and that is what i am trying to do. Please help me in understanding what am i doing wrong. I see that hi work has been rejected in the past as well.24boxes media (talk) 22:55, 29 November 2022 (UTC) 24boxes media (talk) 22:55, 29 November 2022 (UTC)


 * @24boxes media: this has been rejected for lack of evidence of notability, the same reason why it was previously declined. If there is no obvious progress in addressing the decline issue(s), eventually the reviewers will conclude that the subject is not notable enough to warrant inclusion. Worth also noting that this has been through no fewer than four (!) AfD discussions previously, each resulting in deletion, which already tells you something. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 08:24, 30 November 2022 (UTC)