Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk/Archives/2022 November 7

= November 7 =

07:43:15, 7 November 2022 review of draft by Amit2meet
Hi Pardon my ignorance, new to Wikipedia, yet to familiarize with the process. After my 1st submission, I have added sources to my page which support the text written by me. After I resubmit the page on 4th November, I have not receive any message or notification regarding the process or the next step. What is next step? can you guide me

Amit2meet (talk) 07:43, 7 November 2022 (UTC)


 * @Amit2meet: you haven't resubmitted this draft, therefore there is no 'next step'; you need to click that blue 'resubmit' button.
 * What you had done was move it from the Draft: namespace to Talk: (incorrectly); I've now moved it back. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 07:52, 7 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks DoubleGazing, I have submitting now sorry it was stupid mistake :) Amit2meet (talk) 08:04, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

10:42:27, 7 November 2022 review of draft by Jalapeno guacamole
I am trying to write article about educational start up company. I was writing from neutral point of view, but it was declined and now it is said that article is promotional. What I need to change so article will be accepted?

Jalapeno guacamole (talk) 10:42, 7 November 2022 (UTC)
 * First, if you are associated with this company, please read conflict of interest and paid editing for information on required formal disclosures.
 * "Startups" almost never merit articles. A company must become established and recognized in its field in order to receive the requisite coverage needed to merit an article. Wikipedia is not a place to merely tell of the existence of a company and what it does. A Wikipedia article about a company must summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about the company, showing how it meets Wikipedia's special definition of a notable company. "Significant coverage" goes beyond merely describing the activities of the company and goes into detail about its significance or influence as the source sees it, not as the company itself sees it. Press releases, staff interviews, brief mentions, or announcements of routine business activities(like the raising of capital or commencement of operations) do not establish notability. Please read Your First Article. 331dot (talk) 10:49, 7 November 2022 (UTC)
 * But I am not associated with the company. I just need to write an article about start-ups for my university class. So I am just summarizing all available information from reliable sources. Jalapeno guacamole (talk) 10:52, 7 November 2022 (UTC)
 * If that's your assignment, you have been given an extremely poor assignment, and one that is unfair to you as a student. Your instructor should review the Wikipedia Education Program materials to learn how to design lessons in a fairer manner. Requesting the creation of a Wikipedia article as part of a graded assignment is usually doomed to fail, as the student is desperate to get a grade and has limited control over the article creation process. Feel free to show your instructor this message.
 * If the only sources you have just summarize the activities of the company, it would not merit an article. We need sources that describe the significance of the company as the source sees it. As I said, startups almost never merit articles. 331dot (talk) 10:58, 7 November 2022 (UTC)
 * @Jalapeno guacamole: in that case you need to tell your lecturer that they've set you up to fail. As 331dot says, startups are almost by definition non-notable, and therefore very difficult, borderline impossible even, to be included in Wikipedia. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 10:58, 7 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Again, feel free to show your instructor this discussion, and they are welcome to ask questions. 331dot (talk) 13:25, 7 November 2022 (UTC)
 * @Jalapeno guacamole Were you asked to write an article about startups, or asked  to write an article about startups in Wikipedia specifically?   If it's the latter, you have been given excellent advice here.   If the assignment doesn't specify to write on Wikipedia,  that's a different story.   I hope this helps. David10244 (talk) 07:23, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

15:39:10, 7 November 2022 review of submission by StourbridgeGlassMuseum
I have a BA in History and I understand bias- this page reads absolutely no differently than any other glass museum- except the objection is to the username rather than the content- I have added references as requested.

What am I supposed to do to get my local charity on Wikipedia- please provide some assistance- I have done everything asked of me

StourbridgeGlassMuseum (talk) 15:39, 7 November 2022 (UTC)


 * @StourbridgeGlassMuseum: firstly, you should make a formal conflict-of-interest disclosure; I will add a message to your talk page with instructions. Secondly, you shouldn't really be writing about your organisation yourself, because it is very difficult for someone to be fully unbiased and neutral about a topic close to them.
 * In any case, you shouldn't write what you know or think about the topic; you should summarise (without any spin) what independent and reliable secondary sources have said about it. This is among other things needed to establish notability (see WP:N and WP:GNG), which is a core requirement for inclusion in Wikipedia. Moreover, we need to see multiple such sources. Your draft cites none.
 * Oh, and please don't start a new section with each comment; you can just add to your earlier thread. Thanks, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 15:51, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

17:58:12, 7 November 2022 review of submission by Bengals93
To whom it may concern,

I recently made some edits to the Athens College of Ministry page because the College recently changed their name to College of Athens. I wanted to reach out though because I wanted to see how to change the name of the article to College of Athens to reflect the name change? If you could please give me instructions on how to change the name of the article/page or are able to do it for me that would be amazing!

Requesting article name change from "Athens College of Ministry" to "College of Athens"

Thank you!

-Alex

Bengals93 (talk) 17:58, 7 November 2022 (UTC)


 * Hi @Bengals93, this helpdesk is for article drafts going through the AfC process; you may wish to direct future queries like this eg. to the TEAHOUSE. That said, I've moved the article to the new name, leaving the old name as a redirect. Best, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 18:10, 7 November 2022 (UTC)
 * @DoubleGrazing Thank you so much for your assistance with that! Bengals93 (talk) 13:19, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

21:06:26, 7 November 2022 review of submission by Magnetstudent
Hi, hope this petition finds you well.

Here I attach me and my team's draft https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Micro_Force_Sensors

The comment I received was that most of the references were irrelevant.

I would appreciate some comments on the type of reference. We used IEEE. Furthermore, maybe the confusion was due to the fact that some references were linked to pictures/images. Images that we created originally but for some reason, Wikipedia did not allow us to post. We would also appreciate some feedback on posting images/adding images to an article.

We are eager to fix our article and will take all your comments kindly.

Magnetstudent (talk) 21:06, 7 November 2022 (UTC)


 * All your sources (that I can assess) are about the size of things, not about the actual subject of the article. Refer to User:Jéské Couriano/Decode, and note I'm only looking at the linked sources as I don't have access to the print ones:
 * https://www.worlddata.info/average-bodyheight.php is a non-sequitur.
 * https://www.usgs.gov/special-topics/water-science-school/science/raindrops-are-different-sizes " " "-".
 * We can't use https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPalJ_0dFck (unknown provenance). We can't use YouTube videos unless they were produced by an outlet we'd normally consider to be usable and uploaded to that outlet's verified channel.
 * We don't cite Wikipedia (circular reference).
 * http://crystalmaker.com/support/tutorials/atomic-radii/index.html is a non-sequitur.
 * https://www.orkin.com/pests/stinging-pests/bees/honey-bees is yet another non-sequitur (and it's unlikely we would cite Orkin for anything of this nature given their nature as a commercial exterminator).
 * https://www.businessinsider.com/the-tallest-buildings-in-the-world-2015-12 is yet another non-sequitur.
 * https://www.space.com/17638-how-big-is-earth.html is yet another non-sequitur.
 * https://www.nasa.gov/audience/foreducators/k-4/features/F_Measuring_the_Distance_Student_Pages.html is yet another fucking non-sequitur (and we wouldn't cite NASA directly for anything like this due to their status as a government entity).
 * https://solarsystem.nasa.gov/news/1164/how-big-is-the-solar-system/ is yet another fucking non-sequitur and has the exact same problem as the previous NASA source.
 * https://exoplanets.nasa.gov/blog/1563/our-milky-way-galaxy-how-big-is-space/ " " " " "-" " " " " " " " " " " ".
 * https://www.space.com/24073-how-big-is-the-universe.html is yet another fucking non-sequitur.
 * If your sources don't specifically talk about micro force sensors, they're completely worthless as a source on an encyclopaedia article on them. —Jéské Couriano  v^&lowbar;^v  a little blue Bori 22:30, 7 November 2022 (UTC)