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= October 30 =

00:22:19, 30 October 2022 review of draft by Stamlou
Please move this draft to my user space. Thank you. Stamlou (talk) 00:22, 30 October 2022 (UTC)


 * ✅, moved to User:Stamlou/Marie Suize. —Jéské Couriano  v^&lowbar;^v  a little blue Bori 04:04, 30 October 2022 (UTC)

02:24:12, 30 October 2022 review of draft by Cbazerman
I submitted this comment in response to the reviewer Jamiebuba who rejected this article on the grounds of notability.In drafting this article I focused very much on the headnote and in the publications section to give mch documented evidence of notability. I included all the documented evidence are from independent sources that are the most reliable evidence in the field, including multiple society awards, reprints and translations, and articles and special sections about her work in leading journals in the field. I am really at a loss to understand what is lacking.

I thank you for the quick review of the article on Carolyn Miller, but I am a bit puzzled about why you have rejected it on the grounds of notability. I had reviewed the notability criteria rather carefully, and I have included more than a few independent sources indicating her notability. Among them were her named chair, her multiple awards by the top professional societies in her field, including a lifetime achievement award. Beyond the independent cited comments in other articles that attested to the groundbreaking and foundational work of her articles were the multiple translations and reprints of her articles, and even more were the special sections devoted to discussing her article "Genre as Social Action" in two journals as well as an article analyzing the influence of her "Humanistic Rationale" article. These are far more than passing mentions. They are whole articles and sections of journals. In her field there is no more substantial site of discussion and recognition. Her "Genre as Social Action" is the most cited in the major journal it appears in and her ":Humanistic Rationale" is the most cited article in her field of technical communication, Three of her articles have been discussed as among essential works in her field. All these items and more have been documented in the Wikipedia submission. I am not sure what else you might be looking for. Methodical 01:09, 30 October 2022 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cbazerman (talk • contribs)

Methodical 02:24, 30 October 2022 (UTC)

Methodical 02:24, 30 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Your book cites are all missing ISBNs/OCLC#s. —Jéské Couriano  v^&lowbar;^v  a little blue Bori 04:05, 30 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Is this the only thing standing in the way of approval? If so, I am happy to look the ISBN and add them.I will do that now. If there are other difficulties, please inform me. Methodical 21:14, 5 November 2022 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cbazerman (talk • contribs)

Request on 10:50:44, 30 October 2022 for assistance on AfC submission by נתנאל שטרן
I need an help on Draft:NateNet for submission do you can to help me on this? נתנאל שטרן (talk) 10:50, 30 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia is not a place to announce your original research. Theroadislong (talk) 11:52, 30 October 2022 (UTC)

16:29:42, 30 October 2022 review of submission by נתנאל שטרן
whats to do@? נתנאל שטרן (talk) 16:29, 30 October 2022 (UTC)


 * this afc has rejected נתנאל שטרן (talk) 16:31, 30 October 2022 (UTC)
 * There is nothing you can do, the draft has been rejected and will not be considered further. Wikipedia is not a place to promote your own projects. Theroadislong (talk) 16:35, 30 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Where can I to promote/write this outsite wikipedia? נתנאל שטרן (talk) 17:13, 30 October 2022 (UTC)
 * There are over one billion websites in the world. We can only speak for the English-language Wikipedia. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 17:21, 30 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @נתנאל שטרן Please see OUTLET. David10244 (talk) 05:14, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

18:00:20, 30 October 2022 review of draft by Superuser2023
Everything I submitted in the page I created was hyperlinked to external sources. How were these not verifiable?

Superuser2023 (talk) 18:00, 30 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Because Wikipedia requires a specific citation style for any and all content concerning living or recently-departed people. The article as written is also promotional in tone. —Jéské Couriano  v^&lowbar;^v  a little blue Bori 18:15, 30 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @Superuser2023: as Jéské says, you need to reference such articles with inline citations (WP:ILC). Instead, you now have inline external links, which not only aren't the same, they're not actually allowed (WP:EL). -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 07:18, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

21:02:58, 30 October 2022 review of draft by Aramhayr
This article is about my scientific adviser. I wrote his short bio in 3 languages: armenian, english, and russian:

1. I would like very much to have them approved before his 100 birthday on Nov. 16. Per your recommendation I added tags, but I know that still there is no guarantee for quick turnaround. What else can I do to expedite English page approval? may I have a live (on-line) review with the approver? It is a very short bio and I tried to be as non sentimental, non emotional as possible - it's all facts.

2. [- this might be a question to a different audience -] I could not link the 3 articles through the Languages field. I entered the article language and name, but got a message like "the article is not available". Is this because of missing approval or wrong sequence of steps? These are the links: https://hy.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D4%B4%D5%A1%D5%BE%D5%AB%D5%A9_%D4%B3%D6%80%D5%B8%D5%A2%D5%B4%D5%A1%D5%B6, https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%93%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B1%D0%BC%D0%B0%D0%BD,_%D0%94%D0%B0%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4_%D0%9C%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%B2%D0%B5%D0%B5%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87.

3. [- this might be a question to a different audience -] Is there a way for putting a reference in the reference: into the text. See Reference #6 in the Draft. I also could not find instructions - I remember seeing them - on how to crete multiple references. Could you please point me to the section in instructions.

Aramhayr (talk) 21:02, 30 October 2022 (UTC)


 * In order:
 * You cannot in its present condition. We have minimum citation standards for claims and articles concerning living/recently-departed people, and this article falls well short of such standards. You would need to either get sources for or strip out every single unsourced claim. You have a lot of unreferenced claims, including the entire Biography section. Something like this is an issue even if the subject isn't alive/recently-departed.
 * Don't bother with the interwiki links on Wikidata until the draft is approved (assuming it is).
 * Nested references are not a thing. You instead want to make the first a footnote (with something like ) and then put the reference within the footnote; that will work as far as I am aware.
 * Hope this helps. —Jéské Couriano  v^&lowbar;^v  a little blue Bori 21:34, 30 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you, it is helpful. The biography section is based upon his handwritten (in Russian) autobiography. I might try to obtain sealed and signed version of it from the human resources of the institute (INEUM) he worked at. Will fotocopy (xerox) of it (or just handwriting) work. Some of facts are mentioned in the Encyclopedia of Electronic Computing Machines (in Russian: see photo of the first page in the Russian Wiki). Can his daughter's testimony be a reference? I got the data that is not in Encyclopedia or other references in the bio from her. -- Aramhayr (talk) 04:44, 31 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Referencing does not require posting copies of it. We accept offline sources, if cited properly (we'd need, for books: title, author, publisher, year of publication, pages being cited, and ISBN/OCLC#). Unless his daughter's testimony has been formally published somewhere, we can't use it as a source (Can't verify something spoken by someone otherwise should they become incommunicado for some reason or another). That the sources are in Russian is irrelevant, even for the offline sources; we accept non-English sources. —Jéské Couriano  v^&lowbar;^v  a little blue Bori 17:21, 31 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks, again. I'll put citation of published sources and remove the facts that are not verifiable. What can be considered as verification for: "His daughter Galina Gutarina (born in 1952), grandson Alexander Gutarin (born in 1979) and great granddaughters Mia and Nina (born in 2019) live in Silicon Valley."? Could images of diplomas (PhD. etc.) or title pages of dissertations (they are considered as manuscripts) be considered as verifiable sources? -- Aramhayr (talk) 02:04, 3 November 2022 (UTC)
 * @Aramhayr Descendants who are not notable  themselves are generally not mentioned in an article. David10244 (talk) 05:16, 3 November 2022 (UTC)