Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk/Archives/2022 October 6

= October 6 =

00:52:26, 6 October 2022 review of submission by 69.223.223.167
69.223.223.167 (talk) 00:52, 6 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia is not the proper place for this. Try Dropbox, Google Docs, or similar document-sharing services. —Jéské Couriano  v^&lowbar;^v  a little blue Bori 03:31, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @Jéské Couriano Should this draft be deleted? I know it will go away in 6 months if not edited.  But (not that this is happening here) a draft (any draft) could be used as a "shared document" as long as the info is edited or added to (adding new notes after each class?), and it's never submitted as an article.  Am I missing anything?  Thanks. David10244 (talk) 08:47, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

07:46:18, 6 October 2022 review of draft by ArgonautOfHistory
Hello everyone, I would like to seek feedback for the draft article above, please. Appreciate your suggestions on any modifications/improvements needed. Thank you so much! Sincerely, ArgonautOfHistory (talk) 07:46, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
 * You need to submit it for review. Theroadislong (talk) 08:01, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you @Theroadislong for your reply! Is it also possible to get some initial feedback before my submission, please? Thank you! Sincerely, ArgonautOfHistory (talk) 09:45, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @ArgonautOfHistory: the short answer is 'no'. In order to give meaningful feedback, a reviewer must essentially carry out a review. Which is what happens when you submit the draft for a review. Best, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 09:48, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Noted @DoubleGrazing, thank you for the clarification! ArgonautOfHistory (talk) 10:09, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

Request on 13:35:50, 6 October 2022 for assistance on AfC submission by Sfaheyfair
Hello, I am confused as to why the page was not accepted. The reference that I used was a press release by Broadway World and was used to verify the podcast on Stephanie Blocks page. Why would the reference work on one page but not another?

I also copied the format that the podcast used on Smartness and added the 45 Episodes that have aired on STAGES PODCAST.

Its unclear to me what was done incorrectly and I'd appreciate it very much if it is clarified so I can fix the problem.

Thank you Sfaheyfair (talk) 13:35, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Press releases aren't acceptable for establishing notability anywhere on Wikipedia. If this is done elsewhere, it needs to be addressed(see WP:OSE). 331dot (talk) 13:59, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Ok. I have another article from Forbes I will put in instead. Ill also change it on Stephanie Blocks page so there is no confusion.
 * Was there anything else on the Stages Podcast page that needed tending to. this way you dont have to keep coming back to it.
 * thanks so much Sfaheyfair (talk) 17:42, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

13:49:40, 6 October 2022 review of submission by Akodip
I have restructed the article by sticking to what is known about the subjected and added good sources to support the article. How can it be resubmitted for review? Akodip (talk) 13:49, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
 * The draft was rejected so won't be considered further. Profiles. directory listings, Amazon and Spotify are NOT reliable sources. Theroadislong (talk) 13:55, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

14:46:54, 6 October 2022 review of draft by Jnean777
Hi There! The draft of my article was denied. It says the sources are not verifiable. However, this article contains information from public sources like accredited Universities and locale news stations.

Jnean777 (talk) 14:46, 6 October 2022 (UTC)


 * @Jnean777: the decline notice doesn't say the sources are not verifiable; it says the sources do not provide "significant coverage [...] about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject", meaning they are not sufficient to establish the subject's notability. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 14:57, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

18:57:30, 6 October 2022 review of submission by 154.120.107.163
154.120.107.163 (talk) 18:57, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
 * You don't ask a question, but your draft was rejected, meaning that it will not be considered further. 331dot (talk) 19:20, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

20:45:48, 6 October 2022 review of draft by Pedrimonto
The draft I submitted was declined for "lack of reliable sources". I have used credible sources such as International News Agencies (EFE), US newspapers such as "Los Angeles Times" and "The Miami Herald", prestigious industry magazines such as "Variety" and "Billboard", institutional sources such as the Grammys, the Emmys and the Security and Exchange Commission as well as trade publications.

I have reviewed other pieces and have found them less supported. My guess is that the reviewer does not know these sources well enough or the country/industry. These are prestigious media in the US, with massive distribution and well-respected organizations in the entertainment business. I have corrected other reviewers' comments in terms of style and the like and I know the sources I referenced are of the highest quality.

I would like some help in addressing these points. Pedrimonto (talk) 20:45, 6 October 2022 (UTC) Pedrimonto (talk) 20:45, 6 October 2022 (UTC)


 * You're conflating "reliable sources" with "reliable outlets". Not everything a given outlet publishes is a reliable source (an example I commonly use is that an interview published in The New York Times is every bit as usable as an interview by Borat). Name-drops, quotables, interviews, op-eds, and churnalism aren't going to be usable sources no matter what outlet they're published in. The reviewers are also noting that this draft is overcited in spots. —Jéské Couriano  v^&lowbar;^v  a little blue Bori 20:51, 6 October 2022 (UTC)