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= September 14 =

05:18:37, 14 September 2022 review of draft by CK PALA
please kindly help me to my article palavangudi village its my first article      thanking you

I am c kumarappan from ,palavangudi, sivaganga district tamilnadu, india, imy article of my village palavangudi iam writing all f our village its my first article kindly help me and improve my thi wiky article thanks   by  c .kumarappan, palavangudi

CK PALA (talk) 05:29, 14 September 2022 (UTC)


 * @CK PALA: this draft obviously needs a lot of work to bring it up to the required standards in terms of referencing, language, layout, etc. Please see WP:YFA for advice on how to create an article, and WP:REFB for how to reference it. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 06:39, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

THROADISLONG KINDLY CHANE MY EDIT AND ACCEPT THANKS CK PALA (talk) 11:04, 14 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Please do not yell(use all capital letters). If you have additional comment, please edit this existing section, instead of creating additional sections.  This is easier to do in full desktop mode in a browser(even on a mobile device). 331dot (talk) 11:15, 14 September 2022 (UTC)
 * @CK PALA The volunteers who assist here do not usually write or do research for articles. You are asking a volunteer to change your article and then accept it.  That's not how things work here. 71.228.112.175 (talk) 03:53, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

09:32:06, 14 September 2022 review of submission by Karstenschubert
I am slightly confused as to why our page has been branded 'promotional' when other galleries of a similar ilk use similar language (I refer to the Gagosian as an example) We have references and reliable sources, please let me know what else can I do to allow the page to be published.

Karstenschubert (talk) 09:32, 14 September 2022 (UTC)


 * @Karstenschubert: this has been described as promotional, because it still is promotional ("prominent artists", "ever-expanding list", etc.), with little or no encyclopaedic value.
 * And since this draft has been rejected, there isn't anything you can do to have it published.
 * As for other articles that may exist with similar issues, please see OTHERSTUFF.
 * Finally, your username is also problematic; I will post a message on your talk page about it. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 09:45, 14 September 2022 (UTC)
 * (ec) Your draft was rejected and will not be considered further. Please see the comments left by reviewers. You seem to misunderstand what Wikipedia is for- it is not for merely documenting the existence of a topic and telling what it does. An article about an organization must summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about the organization, showing how it meets Wikipedia's special definition of a notable organization. "Significant coverage" goes beyond the mere reporting of what the topic does and goes in depth about its significance or influence. It seems that you are too close to your gallery to be able to write about it as Wikipedia requires. This is a common thing and nothing to feel bad about-it just is. The best indicator of notability is when an independent editor takes note of a topic receiving significant coverage and chooses on their own to write about it. 331dot (talk) 09:49, 14 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Fairly sure it's the gallery owner's name. 331dot (talk) 09:51, 14 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Agreed. But per Karsten Schubert, the said person (or at least one individual by that name — there could be more, I suppose!) is dead. And the first person plural voice in this question suggests (to me at least) some sort of corporate or other collective entity. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 09:56, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

10:19:50, 14 September 2022 review of draft by Alphac
Hello, I've just created an article about Aldo Carotenuto, taking most contents from Italian wiki and correcting and adding english references (especially translated books and articles), could you provide more info on why it's not suitable for publication?

Alphac (talk) 10:19, 14 September 2022 (UTC)


 * @Alphac: it was declined because it's a bit promotional and a bit 'chatty' in tone. I would add that most of the content is unreferenced, although I note that wasn't among the decline grounds on this occasion. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 10:28, 14 September 2022 (UTC)
 * would you make me an example of "promotional" and "chatty" text in the article? I've added many english publications from him and articles from various newspapers. Alphac (talk) 10:33, 14 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Sure; here's one passage that IMO comes under both descriptors:
 * "Carotenuto then devotes himself, with remarkable and numerous essays, to the relationships between psychoanalysis, art and literature, reviewing, under his clear and profound analytical vision, an itinerary of portraits and voices of various artists observed and scrutinized in the light of their intimate life."
 * There are other examples. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 10:42, 14 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Sorry but what's happening here? Even the draft has been deleted! How comes it can be considered "promotion" this man is long dead! What's the reason for this, I'm just an enthusiast trying to improve an english article for an Italian scholar. This is madness. Alphac (talk) 14:38, 14 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Calm down. Nothing has been deleted, the draft is still at Draft:Aldo Carotenuto. A request was made to delete it, but that has been declined, for now at least. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 15:27, 14 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Okay, it seems it was briefly deleted, before being restored. My bad. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 15:33, 14 September 2022 (UTC)
 * @Alphac We consider the tone to be "promotional" if there is lots of wp:Puffery, even if the subject is dead. What reliable, independent source said  he wrote remarkable and numerous essays?  71.228.112.175 (talk) 03:57, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

13:13:58, 14 September 2022 review of submission by Shaimaa2
Sources have been updated

Shaimaa2 (talk) 13:13, 14 September 2022 (UTC)
 * The draft was rejected, meaning that resubmission is not possible. The changes you made are insufficient. 331dot (talk) 13:16, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

14:36:46, 14 September 2022 review of submission by Favour Iyeduala
The individual spoken of in the article is an upcoming Nigerian musical gospel artiste, popularly known in Warri city, University of Benin, suburbs of Lagos and environs.

He started his music career early in 2021 and is already being copied by copycats around Warri environs.

The attempt on the wikipedia article is to get the original in front of as many individuals as possible so that they'll be able to differentiate between the original Oyinbrakemi and those attempting copyright of his music.

Favour Iyeduala (talk) 14:36, 14 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Sorry @Favour Iyeduala, but that's not how this works. Wikipedia isn't here for you to promote or spread awareness about anything or anyone. By definition we only include topics which are already extensively covered in reliable and independent secondary sources (see notability). If you can cite such sources in this draft, it may be possible to accept it into Wikipedia, but based on what you say, I think that's rather unlikely. In any case, this draft has been rejected and won't be considered further. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 14:41, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

16:52:25, 14 September 2022 review of submission by Ianti3
Hello! We have worked on the submission "Meters and More Technology" (June 9, 2022) which was rejected after multiple tries. We always get informed that the sources we cite are not reliable and would like to understand what would constitute a reliable source. Moreover, on a more formal type of level, we would also like to confirm that the references/citations we are making are being done in a proper manner. Ianti3 (talk) 16:52, 14 September 2022 (UTC)


 * @Ianti3: uh, okay... but if you're talking about Draft:Meters and More Technology, that draft was deleted almost three months ago, so this isn't really an AfC matter.
 * Anyway, to answer your question on reliable sources, see WP:RS, and you may also want to check out WP:GNG. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 17:02, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

18:39:30, 14 September 2022 review of draft by 2603:8081:400:B86:FCC7:5D31:FEE5:5833
I uploaded the ISBNs and publish dates for each book. I need help on what other citations are needed. Any reviews of the books will be from another page such as Amazon or Goodreads. Should I link those pages?

2603:8081:400:B86:FCC7:5D31:FEE5:5833 (talk) 18:39, 14 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Two things here:
 * You shouldn't link to any external site, if by that you mean inline external links like this, which your draft is currently full of. Please remove those, as they are not allowed per WP:EL. The ones that link to a specific resource which can be used as a reference, you can cite them in the usual manner. But any that just point to a domain root or similar generic content and serve no real purpose must be removed.
 * In any case, you should not reference or otherwise link to Goodreads or Amazon, which are commercial sites with largely user-generated content.
 * HTH, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 06:19, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
 * @You didn't link the isbn's properly.  There is no value in the word "ISBN" linking to our article on ISBN's, and the number itself linking to an ISBN search page. 71.228.112.175 (talk) 21:43, 17 September 2022 (UTC)