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= September 2 =

00:52:01, 2 September 2022 review of draft by Lord Myric
Hi, I need some help figuring out how to add a box near the bottom of the page, with specific references. As an example, this page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Cinema_Package has a box at the bottom with links to SMPTE standards. I'd like to figure out how to properly create and populate that feature.

Thanks in advance!

Lord Myric (talk) 00:52, 2 September 2022 (UTC)


 * That is actually a specific template,, and not written bespoke for the page. —Jéské Couriano  v^&lowbar;^v  a little blue Bori 01:14, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
 * go to edit source copy the format edit you data 007Ranjeet (talk) 03:32, 2 September 2022 (UTC)

08:38:25, 2 September 2022 review of draft by GelKing
I have drafted an article, but been rejected for it reading like an advertisement, although I thought I was just stating the facts from the referenced articles. Could someone advise on how it sounded like advertising, so I can move forward with editing and resubmitting? Thanks GelKing (talk) 08:38, 2 September 2022 (UTC)


 * @GelKing: it hasn't been rejected, only declined; decline means you can resubmit once you've addressed the decline reasons, reject means the end of the road.
 * It's expressions like "charity has aims to try to help people", "to offer a real alternative... without burdening them with disproportionate debt" and "scheme was so successful that it was featured" which are promotional. Your task here isn't to 'sell' the initiative, only to describe it. In other words, as much as you may think it's a positive thing, you mustn't put a positive spin on your description. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 09:37, 2 September 2022 (UTC)

08:41:23, 2 September 2022 review of submission by Elsasux
Elsasux (talk) 08:41, 2 September 2022 (UTC)

Hello, this is my draft that I processed tonight so I couldn't finish it, you say there are a lot of music sharing sites but since it's a musical artist... it's completely normal...

It is said that for an instrumentalist to be considered notable, the latter must make releases with a label, which is the case of ZephyrMusic (all his achievements are available on major recognized music platforms)

In addition, his YouTube channel is mentioned as OAC by YouTube and his Audiomack page mentions him as "Authenticated artist" therefore he is indeed a musical artist, who shares public content, he is recognized by major music platforms, otherwise it would not have the mentions described above, they are not distributed to anyone. It is affiliated with large distributors TuneCore and Amuse which are themselves recognized by the biggest music platforms.

If you look into his Instagram, you might get a lot of attention from notable accounts or artists. Knowing that his career started not even 2 months ago... it's a very good start

With all this I think he deserves his place on Wikipedia, of course we can't compare him to David Guetta or Ava Max but he is still an artist who has proven himself.

I worked a lot on the draft so that it was of the best possible quality (presentation, spelling, etc.), and I am aware of the eligibility criteria for an article, otherwise I would not have wasted my time. to recall this article.
 * Courtesy link Draft:ZephyrMusic, your draft has zero reliable independent sources and that is what we base articles on, there is no indication that they pass WP:NSINGER either.

08:43:46, 2 September 2022 review of draft by Lucynder
Lucynder (talk) 08:43, 2 September 2022 (UTC)


 * What is your question, @Lucynder? -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 08:51, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello,
 * I would like to know why my article keeps getting rejected? I have gone through the right process ensured for an article to be published and provided adequate references, but it keeps getting rejected. I would like to know the reason for this.
 * Thank you. Lucynder (talk) 09:02, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Firstly, your draft has not been rejected, only declined. It may get rejected at some point, if you keep resubmitting it without addressing the decline reasons, but that's another matter. And those reasons are that the sources cited are insufficient to establish notability, and also they don't fully support the information provided. There has been very little, if any, improvement on either front since I first came across this. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 09:11, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Would it be possible for the sources that are insufficient for the article to be underlined or cited in any way? Lucynder (talk) 13:36, 2 September 2022 (UTC)

08:49:02, 2 September 2022 review of submission by Alicia.Lizzo97
My article was rejected again and I would like to know what I can do to get it accepted. What exact references do I need? I have included all the articles I could find from the founder, but also from the record company. It's a small independent record company unfortunately, isn't that enough? Do I need more?

Alicia.Lizzo97 (talk) 08:49, 2 September 2022 (UTC)


 * -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 08:51, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
 * If that's all the sources that you have, the company likely does not merit an article at this time. An article must not merely document the existence of the company and what it does, it must summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about the company, showing how it meets Wikipedia's special definition of a notable company. Please read Your First Article. 331dot (talk) 08:55, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
 * @Alicia.Lizzo97: you need to cite sources that meet the WP:GNG criteria (by some margin, too, per WP:ORGCRIT). If you cannot find such sources, then by definition you cannot have the article published. Wikipedia doesn't exist for you to promote this or any other business; we exist to summarise information that has already been published in reliable, independent sources.
 * You also need to properly declare your conflict of interest, which you still haven't done despite being instructed to. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 08:55, 2 September 2022 (UTC)

15:36:36, 2 September 2022 review of submission by Rushistoriia
Does this mean that because of two stylistic mistakes, the entire article will be rejected? Is there no way to fix these errors and resubmit it?

Rushistoriia (talk) 15:36, 2 September 2022 (UTC)


 * @Rushistoriia: sorry, I'm not sure what 'stylistic mistakes' you mean. This draft was first declined, and then rejected, for lack of notability. (You can disregard the 25 September 2021 review.) If you think notability has been, or can be (eg. with new evidence that wasn't considered before), established, you can take this up with the rejecting reviewer. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 16:03, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks for responding. I was referring to the answer I got when I first asked this question that was not from the rejecting reviewer, but was from another person who said these were the reasons: @Rushistoriia:: Your offline sources are missing critical bibliographical content needed to locate the source, and should be cited with a relevant cite template (I presume ). In addition, the quoting here verges on excessive. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v a little blue Bori 20:23, 1 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Are these different reasons not to accept it or that it needs revision, or are these considered things under "sufficiently notable"? Also, is there a different guide about "quoting verging on excessive" I am a bit confused since link goes to a discussion of copyrights. Rushistoriia (talk) 20:31, 1 September 2022 (UTC)
 * But maybe that discussion doesn't matter. I am somehow supposed to correspond to a different individual? How does one do that? The whole system is a bit unclear, honestly. Thanks for your help explaining it. Rushistoriia (talk) 16:27, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
 * The way it works is that once a draft is rejected, the only way forward from there is through the reviewer who rejected it. You need to go with a reasonable and reasoned case, mind, not just saying you're unhappy with rejection. In this case, it would include showing that notability does in fact exist, either per WP:GNG or WP:NACADEMIC. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 16:47, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
 * @Rushistoriia Excessive quoting can violate copyright. The explanation of copyright should talk about quoting.  I hope this helps explain what you were confused about. 71.228.112.175 (talk) 05:42, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
 * , I would ask them to explain precisely how it fails WP:NSCHOLAR and why they think it would be impossible for the draft to meet NSCHOLAR. I think the rejection is premature and undeserved. Please come back here (or my talk page) if you do not get an answer or an unsatisfactory one. I would be inclined to let the community decide at AfD, rather than reject a borderline nscholar. Slywriter (talk) 17:06, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Seconding this. Fixing the offline citations would definitely help the article; I see legitimately no reason why this should be rejected. —Jéské Couriano  v^&lowbar;^v  a little blue Bori 18:50, 2 September 2022 (UTC)