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= September 20 =

05:35:47, 20 September 2022 review of draft by Hamza131974
Hello, I am trying to position table on the right side of the text and so far I have not been successful. I have red some help articles on the subject but I did not made any progress. What do I have to do, and how to do it? Thank you for your help. Hamza131974 (talk) 05:35, 20 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Hi @Hamza131974: not strictly an AfC question, you would be better off asking as the Teahouse, but all the same — are you perhaps trying to build an infobox, like the one seen in eg. Lauri Markkanen? If so, then you want Template:Infobox basketball biography. HTH, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 06:13, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello, thank you for the answer. I will try Teahouse. Hamza131974 (talk) 12:08, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
 * So that infobox template wasn't what you were after, then? -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 12:25, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

06:58:32, 20 September 2022 review of submission by 60.60.181.197
60.60.181.197 (talk) 06:58, 20 September 2022 (UTC)


 * You didn't ask a question, but this draft has been rejected and won't be reviewed again. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 07:00, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

hello And sorry to Bother Please i would like a chance to put this article on Wikipedia. I think this subject qualifies for an article and probably my article is not the most clear So I want to improved. But he s one of the latest prince Obolensky and i tried to put every source available.
 * The draft was rejected, meaning that it will not be considered further. If those are the only sources available, he would not merit an article at this time. 331dot (talk) 07:07, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

09:56:37, 20 September 2022 review of submission by 211.221.56.50
09:56:37, 20 September 2022 review of submission by 211.221.56.50

Hi, I've made changes to the draft using references taken from Korean sources, since the game is based in Korea. I was unable to find the sources written in English. If you have any advice on how to make the page better, it would be greatly appreciated! Thank you. 211.221.56.50 (talk) 09:56, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

11:36:07, 20 September 2022 review of draft by Fico Puricelli
Fico Puricelli (talk) 11:36, 20 September 2022 (UTC)


 * What is your question, @Fico Puricelli? -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 11:50, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Sorry, my question is which sources I should be looking for prose books. That's all. Thank you. Fico Puricelli (talk) 13:58, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi @Fico Puricelli: well, any sources would be a great start, given that the draft currently cites only the author's own website, until we get way down to the 'Reception' section.
 * Slightly less flippantly, books can either be notable per WP:GNG, which requires significant coverage in multiple independent and reliable secondary sources, or by meeting one or more of the criteria listed in WP:BOOKCRIT. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 14:23, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

Request on 11:49:37, 20 September 2022 for assistance on AfC submission by SerenityCrew
Been writing an entry for a corporate client for a while now and slightly puzzled why the entry has been declined when its competitors and companies it partners with (Kaltura, Synamedia, Ateme) all have active pages. Am a journalist myself when not taking the corporate shilling and have vigorously tried to be as objective in its entry as possible. We're over a year into this process now and I honestly can't see a difference between what has been submitted and rejected here and what has been submitted and accepted on behalf of other corporations.

Any guidance gratefully received...

SerenityCrew (talk) 11:49, 20 September 2022 (UTC)


 * @SerenityCrew: "its competitors and companies it partners with all have active pages" is irrelevant — see OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. This draft has to satisfy the notability requirements in its own right, which the reviewer(s) evidently deemed it doesn't. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 11:55, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Also regarding "Viaccess-Orca provides solutions and services primarily for the broadcast and video industry" see WP:SOLUTIONS. Theroadislong (talk) 14:26, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

15:01:00, 20 September 2022 review of submission by KarstenBerlin
I would like to know why my draft does not get accepted. It describes a compilation album as there are many pages on compilation albums on wikipedia. It is not a repetition as one reviewer was assuming as the cover is completely different from the other compilation and there are more songs on this album. Unfortunately I was unable to upload the cover as wikipedia told me there is no page for my upload. It seems draft pages are insufficient for uploads. I guess that would make it easier to see. KarstenBerlin (talk) 15:01, 20 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Hi @KarstenBerlin: if I understand correctly, the reviewers are saying that this draft duplicates Essential (Jethro Tull album), whereas you're saying they're two different albums, despite the same name — correct? (You can see why this might be confusing.) I think we would need to see demonstrably reliable, and inarguably clear, evidence of that; I'm not sure the sources currently cited are quite up to scratch. I don't think the different cover design is conclusive proof, as some albums were released with more than one design. The release dates could also refer to original vs. re-release (I'm not saying they do, just saying they could). If you can produce the necessary evidence, and assuming you can reference the draft more clearly (it currently has no inline citations, making it difficult to see which source supports what information), then there would certainly be a case for giving this draft another review. For more advice, see WP:REFB RE referencing, and WP:GNG RE notability. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 16:47, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

15:20:43, 20 September 2022 review of submission by Adhi krishnan
Adhi krishnan (talk) 15:20, 20 September 2022 (UTC)


 * What is your question, @Adhi krishnan? This draft has been rejected and won't be reviewed again. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 16:28, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

16:19:58, 20 September 2022 review of draft by Wovart
Hello, I'm requesting assistance changing the name of my Draft. It doesn't include the artist's middle name and thus the system is trying to connect it with other Anthony Young articles but the artists full name that they us is Anthony Peyton Young. I tried following what I had found but the option to rename the article can't be found from my end.

Any guiandance would be greatly appreciated!

Thank you

Wovart (talk) 16:19, 20 September 2022 (UTC)


 * @Wovart: seems this has been done already by Robert McClenon.
 * For future reference, don't worry about the draft title, it can be moved (which is what you're calling 'rename') to a different title when it's published, which is when it gets moved to a different name space anyway. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 16:27, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

18:38:49, 20 September 2022 review of draft by Sillyrabbid69
Sources attached are from verified reputable outlets. Can you verify what specific changes need to be made to get this page published?

Sillyrabbid69 (talk) 18:38, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
 * The sources are not reliable sources as Wikipedia defines them. Such sources must have a reputation of fact checking and editorial control. Interviews do not establish notability as they are not independent sources. 331dot (talk) 18:51, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
 * So independent articles are preferred? Out of curiosity, how do interviews with said subject not establish nobility? As an example, Cartoon Brew. They are a highly regarded magazine in the world wide animation industry. They don't just interview "anybody". Would a source like FamousBirthdays.com be considered a reliable source over an interview with said subject? Sillyrabbid69 (talk) 18:58, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
 * No...due to persistent abuse, Famous Birthdays is on the Wikipedia spam blacklist. Theroadislong (talk) 19:02, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Interviews are by definition not independent- they are the subject speaking about themselves. Interviews are not forbidden from articles, but they do not establish the notability of the subject. If you want to use an interview with him to cite his birthday, it might be okay, but an independent source would be preferable- because people can and do lie about their ages. A prominent media outlet interviewing someone does not establish notability. 331dot (talk) 19:05, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
 * @Sillyrabbid69 Some, but not all,  published interviews just repeat what the subject says, without any critical commentary, hard questions, or fact-checking.  This type of interview is basically "what the subject says".  That's why interviews are looked at with a skeptical eye. (What 331dot said.) 71.228.112.175 (talk) 07:06, 21 September 2022 (UTC)