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= April 23 =

09:21, 23 April 2023 review of submission by Naman.m08
Can someone help me for improving my article and make it publish to Wikipedia Naman.m08 (talk) 09:21, 23 April 2023 (UTC)


 * @Naman.m08: this draft has been rejected, and is pending deletion. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 09:25, 23 April 2023 (UTC)
 * I mean can anyone help me to publish my page? Naman.m08 (talk) 09:27, 23 April 2023 (UTC)
 * How to publish my page? Please help me to do so! Naman.m08 (talk) 09:30, 23 April 2023 (UTC)
 * It is blatant advertising it will not be published. Theroadislong (talk) 09:34, 23 April 2023 (UTC)
 * I mean how then other company page are published? I am not here to advertise but to let other know that this company exist too since a long time.. Naman (talk) 09:37, 23 April 2023 (UTC)
 * If you write promotional content, then you are here to advertise (see WP:YESPROMO). In any case, you shouldn't be writing about your business yourself; if it is notable enough, someone without a conflict of interest will write an article about it, one day. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 09:39, 23 April 2023 (UTC)
 * So anyone from Wikipedia can write it? Like you? Naman (talk) 09:43, 23 April 2023 (UTC)
 * it looks like you may have misunderstood how Wikipedia functions. Nobody here is "from Wikipedia" – we are all doing this as a hobby, in our spare time. It is absolutely not recommended that somebody who represents a company creates a draft about that company. As pointed out above, the idea is that articles about companies should be created by people without any connection to the company. --bonadea contributions talk 14:41, 23 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Oh okay sorry i really misunderstood Wikipedia. Will not repeat this in future... Naman (talk) 17:16, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

14:08, 23 April 2023 review of submission by AndanoD
Hi team

I would like assistance understanding why this page has been rejected, please.

The subject is clearly of relevance, being Australia's widest-circulating LGBTQ+ magazine and it is absent from a Wikipedia list of Australian LGBTQ+ titles. Even if Frooty weren't the largest – perhaps even the smallest – its presence on the list would be relevant to the community..

I have declared a self-interest. Three of the five citations are external and credible.

I can only imagine the two citations directing to the Frooty website are an issue. They demonstrate the claims made: 1. That Frooty was media partner to Mardi Gras 2. The publication dates around the impact of COVID

Should I delete the claims and references? In the category I am submitting to, the title QNews lists a number of self-directing links. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:LGBT-related_magazines_published_in_Australia

Thank you in advance. AndanoD (talk) 14:08, 23 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Linkedin.com and their own website are not reliable independent sources and the other two don't mention FROOTY? Theroadislong (talk) 14:14, 23 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the clarification, Theroadislong.
 * I have deleted the LinkedIn link and replaced with a citation from ASIC, an Australian statutory body which governs the status of corporations.
 * I have included three other citations from the internationally renown musician Darren Hayes, industry body Darlinghurst Business Partnership and independent LGBTQ+ news publisher Out In Perth reporting our launch. AndanoD (talk) 14:48, 23 April 2023 (UTC)
 * @AndanoD: per WP:GNG, we need to see significant coverage, directly of the subject, in multiple independent and reliable secondary sources; currently this draft cites no source meeting that standard. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 14:53, 23 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you @DoubleGrazing. Did my reply at 14:48 cross with you advice? So far I have cited:
 * • An independent queer publication, 'Out In Perth ' announcing our launch.
 * • A peak body business association, connected to Mardi Gras, publicising (on the internet) their presence on our cover.
 * • An endorsement from Darren Hayes (international musician) noting his presence on our cover.
 * • That we are media partner to Sydney Gay & Lesbian Mardi Gras
 * • A media partnership with Queer Screen.
 * • Other queer news organisations, such as QNews (a listing in the Wiki category) cites us:
 * https://my.qnews.com.au/event/sydney-gay-and-lesbian-mardi-gras-2022-laugh-out-proud/
 * I have been publishing independent media for 30 years and this title is the largest of type in the country. I appreciate the requirement for credentials. Approximately how many more credentials should I include?
 * @Theroadislong I am the publisher of Frooty. I declared an interest (COI) when I submitted the article. AndanoD (talk) 15:23, 23 April 2023 (UTC)
 * You are required to make the mandatory declaration of paid editing on your user page. Theroadislong (talk) 15:28, 23 April 2023 (UTC)
 * @AndanoD: I've gone through the sources again, and...
 * 1. Doesn't mention Frooty
 * 2. As 1
 * 3. Passing mention of Frooty
 * 4. As 1
 * 5. Frooty's own website
 * 6. As 3
 * 7. Twitter is not a reliable source
 * 8. As 5
 * 9. Only shows the Frooty logo
 * As I said, none of these meet the GNG standard. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 15:29, 23 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi
 * Well this is certainly a learning curve!
 * Re: COI. I'm sorry I didn't understand how to make the COI declaration appropriately. I will revisit the procedure. I am not receiving remuneration for the post but I am connected with the company.
 * Re: History. Other titles in the category talk extensively about the history of the genre, including launches, court actions. Should I remove from my article discussion about other titles? Or should I simply remove the citations?
 * Re: Twitter. Please confirm for me that Darren Hayes official account talking about our interview with him is an "unreliable source". I appreciate twitter can be a cesspit but does discretion apply here?
 * Re: Frooty's own website. As mentioned previously, other titles [QNews] in this category have self-pointing URLs. Please clarify for me why Frooty's are not permitted but QNews' are.
 * Another title in category, [ Sydney Star Observer] has five citations, no fewer than four!! are self-pointing (80%).
 * Quite apart from failing the self-referencing standard, Star Observer clearly fails multiple independent and reliable secondary sources standard you referred to above.
 * I would appreciate some direction in relaton to my query on History and Twitter (above) as well as some consistency in applying standards, please.
 * I have made every effort to remove any and all marketing claims and simply present an historical and relevant face for Frooty. AndanoD (talk) 15:48, 23 April 2023 (UTC)
 * @AndanoD: you can cite primary sources such as your own website (maybe even Twitter) to verify some non-contentious facts, but they don't help to establish notability. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 16:30, 23 April 2023 (UTC)
 * @AndanoD When comparing one article  to another, please see WP:OSE. Writing a new article can be hard.  Also, please read WP:BACKWARD. David10244 (talk) 11:17, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

20:15, 23 April 2023 review of submission by Flash1890
i need assitance on areas to improve on this article Flash1890 (talk) 20:15, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

20:22, 23 April 2023 review of submission by Brooklyn Smith
Apparently I was trying to resubmit an article that had been deleted, and edited without my knowledge prior to deletion. The edit removed most of the sources, and all of the content of what had been in the article that referred to this artist's work post 2014! This might have been the reason it was nominated for deletion (without my knowledge), and consequently deleted a month ago (also without my knowledge). I went in to do edits to this page that has been fine for the past 9 years, to find it had been deleted. Once the deleted text was restored, I merely resubmit it knowing the reason given for deletion was actually in error. However I did not read the text I resubmitted until after it being rejected. I then found something malicious had happened to this article most likely just prior to it's nomination and consequent deletion. This is pretty outrageous actually! I would like to find out the history of the edits that caused this article to be nominated for deletion. Brooklyn Smith (talk) 20:19, 23 April 2023 (UTC) Brooklyn Smith (talk) 20:22, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

20:43, 23 April 2023 review of submission by Ahmed EzzEddeen
I'm wondering why my page was rejected? Ahmed EzzEddeen (talk) 20:43, 23 April 2023 (UTC)
 * do you mean User:Ahmed EzzEddeen/sandbox? It has been deleted so I can't see what it contained, but from what the deleting administrator wrote, it looks like you had misunderstood what Wikipedia is: it is not a web host or platform for anybody to publish an autobiography. You can contact the deleting administrator (if you go to User:Ahmed EzzEddeen/sandbox you'll see the name of the administrator who deleted the page) on their user talk page if you have further questions. Regards, --bonadea contributions talk 15:57, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

21:33, 23 April 2023 review of submission by WorkInnov
Hello. I don't quite understand why the article has been rejected. The aim of the article is to offer a definition for the concept of workplace innovation and its history. WorkInnov (talk) 21:33, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

23:25, 23 April 2023 review of submission by Giest24
I would like to post this actor for the Capcom series Resident Evil. Can someone help me with this process? Thank you in advance Giest24 (talk) 23:25, 23 April 2023 (UTC)