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= April 30 =

02:47, 30 April 2023 review of submission by 林儀承
Hi, My draft for the National Dong Hwa University College of Science and Engineering contains numerous references, including information on World's Top 2% Scientists, China Subject Ratings 2021, and World University Rankings 2022 by subject: computer science, which are all well-known in the field. What can I do to ensure that my draft is published as a formal article? Thank you for your attention. 林儀承 (talk) 02:47, 30 April 2023 (UTC)


 * @林儀承: in order for this draft to have any chance of being accepted, you need to demonstrate that it is notable per WP:GNG, which requires significant coverage in multiple independent and reliable secondary sources. So far there seem to be no such sources cited.
 * Note that while universities typically are notable, individual departments, faculties, schools, colleges, etc. seldom are. Which may be why the declining reviewer suggested that this information (or at least salient points of it, as there is far too much detail here) be added to the article on the university itself. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 05:49, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Note that while universities typically are notable, individual departments, faculties, schools, colleges, etc. seldom are. Which may be why the declining reviewer suggested that this information (or at least salient points of it, as there is far too much detail here) be added to the article on the university itself. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 05:49, 30 April 2023 (UTC)

03:35, 30 April 2023 review of submission by JackW2016
I found multiple link resources about Simo Idrissi and need to add them the other thing, Simo Idrissi is a writer and has public links to his research and articles. I still don't know the maximum number of resources needed to make this article follow Wikipedia regulations. Thanks JackW2016 (talk) 03:35, 30 April 2023 (UTC)


 * @JackW2016: this draft has been rejected already; if you wish new sources or other evidence of notability to be considered, you must take the matter up with the rejecting reviewer. Beware, though: I had a quick look at the sources cited, and couldn't find anything there that would seem to contribute to WP:GNG notability. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 05:41, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
 * A few days ago, I added a few sources to an article about Simo Idrissi. These sources are legitimate. Friends from Wikipedia helped me answer my questions and said that resources should contain the name of Simo. That is exactly what I am doing. Now, I have a few questions:
 * What is the maximum number of resources that an article can have?
 * Can I create a new article about the same person when I have all the links available?
 * Simo Idrissi is not my friend and he doesn’t know me, but I know what he is doing as a public figure and soccer coach. I like to write about these people and I have more people to write about, but I am still learning the process. How can I revise Simo Idrissi’s article and have it accepted?
 * Hope you understand me.
 * Have a nice day JackW2016 (talk) 23:36, 30 April 2023 (UTC)

08:54, 30 April 2023 review of submission by Shashi.myofficial
The new resubission for Draft Bhavtosh Pandey is still pending. Shashi.myofficial (talk) 08:54, 30 April 2023 (UTC)


 * @Shashi.myofficial: I'm not quite sure what you're saying, but just so we're clear, this draft has not been resubmitted, and is therefore not pending review. That being the case, what is your question? -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 08:55, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
 * @Shashi.myofficial The draft has no inline references, and lots of praise (that word "passion", plus "driving force", "love for art", etc.).  It has not been resubmitted, but if you resubmit as is, the draft will be declined again. David10244 (talk) 11:22, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

10:39, 30 April 2023 review of submission by Raves2023
Hi, I dont understand how and why this isn't approved.. the magazine is like others and even does more collaborations.. i am new to this so please do tell me what else needed to get it approved since I looked at other articles and i dont know what else to do... thank you! Raves2023 (talk) 10:39, 30 April 2023 (UTC)


 * @Raves2023: as it says in the last few decline notices, the draft was declined because it was/is promotional. I can see that you have subsequently made changes to it and resubmitted for another review, so you will get another assessment when a reviewer gets around to evaluating it. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 11:35, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello dear @DoubleGrazing, it was declined again and I am not sure why.. I dee the reason but how can this be? other than the fact there are articles on other magazines and including the fact this magazine is read by many many many people.. what can I do? Raves2023 (talk) 06:17, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
 * @Raves2023: it wasn't declined again, it was actually rejected this time, meaning you can no longer submit it. Whether there are "articles on other magazines" (on which point, see WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS), or "this magazine is ready by many many many people" or "does more collaborations", etc., none of that matters; we assess notability, which is a core requirement for inclusion in Wikipedia, according to the applicable policies and guidelines, and this subject has apparently not satisfied those. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 06:26, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi @DoubleGrazing but how can this be? this is not a just a simpel magazine, it's an international one.. do you agree with this rejection? what can I do now?
 * please do reply since I am lost and I am sure this deserve an articel.. Raves2023 (talk) 11:18, 3 May 2023 (UTC)
 * @Raves2023: it doesn't matter whether I agree with the rejection. What matters is whether there are sufficient (in quality and quantity) sources to demonstrate that the subject is notable; if there aren't, then it isn't possible to have an article on it accepted. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 11:38, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

16:28, 30 April 2023 review of submission by Regal venator
what must should i add to make it notable Regal venator (talk) 16:28, 30 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi @Regal venator Wikipedia is a lagging indicator, meaning in-depth coverage by multiple reliable sources must already exist for a topic so a "struggling" actor will not warrant an article. This is the reason is was rejected so will not longer be considered at this time.  However, a draft can proposed in the future should the actor gain such coverage which is generally after they have had several significant roles in notable works.  S0091 (talk) 20:40, 30 April 2023 (UTC)

20:11, 30 April 2023 review of submission by Nealmcb
As a long-time wikipedia editor, with no connections to the subject of this article, but a commitment to WikiProject Women in Red, I ran across this draft on Joan Sullivan Garrett. It is clear to me that the subject is quite notable. I've trimmed it down to 2/3 the size and I've tried to overcome the promotional aspects of the article and the fact that the original editor had an undisclosed connection. I would like someone else to agree that it is now worthy of promotion to article status where further editing can take place as normal, or point out additional aspects that need attention. Thanks in advance! ★NealMcB★ (talk) 20:11, 30 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi @Nealmcb what you are asking for is a pre-review which we generally do not do. Given you are autoconfirmed you can simply move the draft to article space.  Outside of non-autoconfirmed or COI/Paid editors (or some type of ban), there is no obligation for a draft to go through AfC even if previously declined.  If you choose to go through AfC, submit it then I suggest placing a note on the talk page with the WP:THREE sources that meet notability.  If you do that, let me know (ping me here or note at my talk page) and I will place an AfC comment letting reviewers know to look at the talk page.  S0091 (talk) 20:49, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Done.

20:32, 30 April 2023 review of submission by The haul
I'll provide all the details with citation with genuine information and things then why my article deleted. The haul (talk) 20:32, 30 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi @The haul you do no ask a question but please see the messages on your talk page, User talk:The haul, as to why the draft was deleted. S0091 (talk) 20:51, 30 April 2023 (UTC)

23:37, 30 April 2023 review of submission by JackW2016
A few days ago, I added a few sources to an article about Simo Idrissi. These sources are legitimate. Friends from Wikipedia helped me answer my questions and said that resources should contain the name of Simo. That is exactly what I am doing. Now, I have a few questions:

What is the maximum number of resources that an article can have? Can I create a new article about the same person when I have all the links available? Simo Idrissi is not my friend and he doesn’t know me, but I know what he is doing as a public figure and soccer coach. I like to write about these people and I have more people to write about, but I am still learning the process. How can I revise Simo Idrissi’s article and have it accepted?

Hope you understand me.

Have a nice day JackW2016 (talk) 23:37, 30 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi @JackW2016 it is not the number of sources; it is the quality and depth coverage. Sources need meet all four of the following criteria to establish notability: be secondary (not primary), be reliable, provide in-depth coverage about the subject and the content within the sources must be entirely independent (not what the subject says such as interviews, etc.). The draft has now been rejected twice so will no longer be considered so no, you should not create another draft.  If you wish to create a draft on different subject, in addition to the above read Your first article.  S0091 (talk) 23:29, 1 May 2023 (UTC)