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= August 25 =

02:05, 25 August 2023 review of submission by Mamaoohid
Where do I get secondary sources? Mamaoohid (talk) 02:05, 25 August 2023 (UTC)


 * @mamaoohid:
 * ltbdl (talk) 02:33, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
 * these are potential places to find online sources. given that your subject is quite old, you may have to search some offline ones (books, old newspapers etc.) as well. ltbdl (talk) 02:34, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello, . Go to Newark, New Jersey, and spend a day in the public library there, befriending the librarians in your search for reliable, independent sources devoting significant coverage to Benzler. Then, add those new sources and what they say to the draft. Cullen328 (talk) 06:22, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

03:30, 25 August 2023 review of submission by Mamaoohid
Can someone help me to give some information and what to put in this page? Mamaoohid (talk) 03:30, 25 August 2023 (UTC)


 * @Mamaoohid please start by reading Help:YFA, then return with additional questions. 🇺🇦 Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 🇺🇦 06:39, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

07:33, 25 August 2023 review of submission by EinHachiNami
Hello, An editor declined this draft, saying "last bit is shameless promotion." There is no product for sale and it is not an advertisement. Am I supposed to remove the free music link? Thank you EinHachiNami (talk) 07:33, 25 August 2023 (UTC)


 * @EinHachiNami: well, the last sentence does seem a bit of a non-sequitur, at the very least. :)
 * The bigger problem here is that the sources are quite flaky, so you really need to improve on the referencing. I think the text could also do with an overhaul, to make it more factual and less POV. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 07:44, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
 * thanks so much! I appreciate your help. Our number-one priority is establishing a source, however minimal, on Rav Be'eri in English, because there is unfortunately tons of conspiracy/misinformation content on him but few sources aside from YouTube. Please take a look at the new draft. There are no secular sources on him yet. With your help, this can be the first. EinHachiNami (talk) 22:54, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
 * PROMOTION is interpreted more widely on Wikipedia than in general. Articles are required to summarize in a neutral way what the sources say. If the text appears to be promoting the subject then it is promotion - quite apart from any commercial questions.
 * I am also concerned when you talk about "establishing a source". There must be solid independent sources with significant coverage in order to ground an article. If these sources happen to be all in Hebrew. But it sounds as if your agenda might be RIGHTINGGREATWRONGS, which is not what Wikipedia is for. ColinFine (talk) 15:07, 26 August 2023 (UTC)
 * No, not Righting Great Wrongs. Just having a source in English that is reputable. 2601:180:8300:D1A0:B8BB:4868:551D:BA36 (talk) 20:08, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

09:28, 25 August 2023 review of submission by Aksana reddy
Why my article page rejected Aksana reddy (talk) 09:28, 25 August 2023 (UTC)


 * @Aksana reddy: because there is not the slightest indication, let alone evidence, of any notability; nor is it written as a viable encyclopaedia article draft. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 09:34, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

11:26, 25 August 2023 review of submission by NFTs1
What in this article does not meet Wikipedia's requirements?

NFTs1 (talk) 11:26, 25 August 2023 (UTC)


 * @NFTs1: all sorts of things...
 * it has a few external links, but they're not cited at all, and more specifically they're not cited inline like required for articles on living people;
 * most of the external links are inline, which is not allowed;
 * it doesn't comply with many aspects of the Manual of Style;
 * there is no evidence that the subject is notable by any standard; and
 * it's promotional, which is not allowed.
 * HTH, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 11:35, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

13:23, 25 August 2023 review of submission by MarcdePezenas
Hey there! This is my first time trying to write a new Wikipedia entry from scratch and it was declined. Is it because there weren't enough references/footnotes? I read the explanation given for the rejection and I can't seem to identify the issue. For example, the subject of my Wikipedia post has been cited in many reliable, mainstream secondary sources. Do I need to mention them? Thanks so much for any help! MarcdePezenas (talk) 13:23, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Your draft has only two references one of which is a primary source, articles are based on significant coverage in multiple reliable independent sources. Theroadislong (talk) 13:40, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

13:31, 25 August 2023 review of submission by 102.88.62.61
Hi Team,

Please, can someone higher take a look at this. Is it not funny that an arm of business is approved but not the parent company? How is this page a self promo? The controversy is something that is quite big in Africa and has been used by several industry stakeholders to cite examples at music conferences and this guys are saying it's not enough. It's annoying and frustrating that my passion and efforts to support Wikipedia's goal of documenting are not supported. Please someone reasonable should review this. 102.88.62.61 (talk) 13:31, 25 August 2023 (UTC)


 * The sources about the company do not comply with the three basic requirements: Independent, Significant coverage, and Reliably published. See WP:CORP for further guidance. However, the "Controversy" section content could possibly be adapted to fit into the Wizkid article which currently does not mention the issue at all. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 14:35, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia's goal is not mere documentation. It's to summarize what independent reliable sources say about a topic. 331dot (talk) 17:15, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
 * There is nobody higher, just us chickens. 🇺🇦 Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 🇺🇦 17:37, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Notability, as Wikipedia defines it, is not inherited. A work can be notable and its creator not. A subsidiary of a corporation can be notable and its parent not. The notability of every potential subject is determined on its own terms, and depends on what has been published about it. ColinFine (talk) 20:14, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

14:19, 25 August 2023 review of submission by JeromePartout
Dear Team, the submission is declined and I got this note. I don not now what to change? Note: Comment: The article currently lacks inline citations, and none of the general references met the standards of sourcing for biographies (see edit history). On a side note, the draft also provides a large number of inappropriate external links. However, the article subject might meet WP:ARTIST, but this needs to be demonstrated with independent reliable sources. Actualcpscm (talk) 16:57, 27 June 2023 (UTC). Thank you in advance Jerome JeromePartout (talk) 14:19, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Courtesy link Draft:Karin Elmers. Theroadislong (talk) 14:23, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
 * You appear to have no references at all which are independent of Elmers. Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources.
 * Your next step is to find several sources that meet that criterion - see 42 for more detail. If you cannot find them, then you will know that Elmers does not at present meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability, and not to spend any more time on this.
 * If you find at least three sources, each of which meets those criteria, then write your draft by paraphrasing what those sources say (not what you personally know), and for each piece of information you include, cite its source inline (see REFB for how to do so.) ColinFine (talk) 20:19, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

18:12, 25 August 2023 review of submission by Curious405
I am starting an article in English Wikipedia about Svante Wold. A short article in Swedish Wikipedia already exists, and I am using it as my starting point. I am trying to link it to my draft article following the directions at Wikipedia:Translate Us page, under the heading "Handmade," No. 5: 'Go to the sidebar and click "Add links" or "Edit links" (under 'Languages', in the language of that wiki). Enter "en" as the language of the wiki you got the content from, and the title of the page you translated, then click "Link with page".'

I don't see an "Add links" or "Edit links" under the "Add Languages" in the top right-hand corner of the page. I would, of course, substitute "sv" for "en". Thanks for any help you can give. Curious405 (talk) 18:12, 25 August 2023 (UTC)


 * @Curious405: you can only add the interlanguage links once the article is published. In any case, that has no bearing on whether this can be published or not, so my advice would be to focus on getting this accepted... which in its current state it wouldn't be, as there is no evidence of notability. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 18:20, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

18:19, 25 August 2023 review of submission by Bobdopsob
The user denied publishing the submission due to a lack of significant importance, but this actress has a Google Knowledge Panel, demonstrating notability. Bobdopsob (talk) 18:19, 25 August 2023 (UTC)


 * @Bobdopsob: that's not a question. Do you have one in mind you would like to ask?
 * Please do not mess with the AfC review templates. This draft has been declined, and must stay that way until you have addressed the decline reason(s) and resubmitted it for another review.
 * And just for the record, a 'Google Knowledge Panel' is not a publishing criterion on Wikipedia. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 18:38, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

18:49, 25 August 2023 review of submission by 2601:184:300:15F2:71C3:BD56:25D9:63D0
Why was my article declined? 2601:184:300:15F2:71C3:BD56:25D9:63D0 (talk) 18:49, 25 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Draft:Andrew Camarata was declined because it does nothing to establish that he meets Wikipedia's criteria for WP:notability.
 * Note that Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources.
 * As far as I can see, every one of your sources is either Camarata himself, or is somebody else repeating his words. None of that is of any relevance to a Wikipedia article about him. You need to begin by finding at least three sources which meet those criteria - see WP:42 for more detail - and if you can find them, write an article based entirely on what they say about him, not at all on what he or his associates say.
 * You also need to cite these sources properly inline - see WP:REFB. ColinFine (talk) 20:26, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

21:14, 25 August 2023 review of submission by Ashygreninja
Typo in my draft title, I don’t know if I can get assistance for this. Ashygreninja (talk) 21:14, 25 August 2023 (UTC)


 * @Ashygreninja ✅ assuming it to have a double "l" 🇺🇦 Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 🇺🇦 06:09, 26 August 2023 (UTC)