Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk/Archives/2023 August 28

= August 28 =

01:21, 28 August 2023 review of submission by Wsjimmys
Why did u decline Wsjimmys (talk) 01:21, 28 August 2023 (UTC)


 * @wsjimmys: to be blunt, your draft is a hot mess. ltbdl (talk) 02:26, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
 * U know right ur suppose to be kind and besides others can edit it Wsjimmys (talk) 03:01, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
 * @Wsjimmys: this draft, as well as you other ones, has been deleted; I would advise you not to create any more of such nonsense. You're welcome to contribute in a constructive manner, but this wasn't it. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 08:46, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

04:23, 28 August 2023 review of submission by Albughu
how to merge this article into chandrayaan 3 article Albughu (talk) 04:23, 28 August 2023 (UTC)


 * @Albughu: there is no particular process, and no formalities needed as this isn't yet an article, only a draft; simply edit Chandrayaan-3, and add whatever information and sources you wish from the draft. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 05:50, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
 * The Chandrayaan 3 article already mentions that it was the first to land on the lunar south pole. 331dot (talk) 07:54, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

07:37, 28 August 2023 review of submission by Chauhan72
Dear Sir, Thikana Barothi is an under of Jawas or State of Mewar... I write in about thikana Barothi,plzz accept Wikipedia page Thanks Chauhan72 (talk) 07:37, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Your draft is completely unsourced. 331dot (talk) 07:53, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

07:40, 28 August 2023 review of submission by RMSTitanlc
i'm confused i added a source to the page, he played a role in rescue efforts. RMSTitanlc (talk) 07:40, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I fixed your link(you were missing the "Draft:" portion). You have one source; to pass this process most reviewers look for at least three sources with significant coverage to be summarized in the draft. 331dot (talk) 07:51, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
 * so i need to find 2 more soruces? RMSTitanlc (talk) 07:55, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
 * So you are going about this backwards(see WP:BACKWARD); you should first gather the sources and then summarize them, not look for sources to support what you have already written. But, yes, most reviewers will look for at least three sources to have been summarized. 331dot (talk) 08:09, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
 * You say that this man played a "key role" in the Titanic response as first officer but don't say what that role was. 331dot (talk) 08:10, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
 * so should i look for what Dean did aboard Carpathia during the rescue efforts? RMSTitanlc (talk) 08:29, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes. 331dot (talk) 08:31, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
 * @RMSTitanlc: if this gentleman's 'claim to fame' is that he was a major player in the Titanic's rescue efforts, then that needs to be fleshed out considerably; at the moment this is covered by a single sentence ("He is known for being the First Officer aboard RMS Carpathia he played a key role in the evacuation process.") which doesn't even mention the Titanic. And, as 331dot has already explained, that fleshing out needs to happen by way of summarising reliable published sources. HTH, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 08:43, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
 * so just give an explanation an backstory of Titanic or something and add more detail to the article? RMSTitanlc (talk) 09:27, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
 * You should give what sources say was his role in the Titanic rescue operation. You described it as a "key" role. Did he direct rescue operations? Issue any important orders? I do find it curious that no one has written about this man before now; RMS Carpathia mentions many actions of the captain, but none from the first officer; it could be that sources might not support a standalone article about the first officer, but that he could be mentioned in the article about his ship or about the Titanic disaster. 331dot (talk) 09:33, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

08:14, 28 August 2023 review of submission by Umepand99
We currently lack a sufficient number of articles written for the CCaaS platform on wiki. I am working on creating a page for CCaaS providers, and I would greatly appreciate your assistance. Could you please help us with this? Umepand99 (talk) 08:14, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Who is "we" and "us"? Only a single person should be exclusively operating your account. Your draft consists of a sentence fragment and two urls which I assume you intend as sources; this will not be accepted as an article, which is why it was rejected and won't be considered further. Please see Your First Article and Referencing for Beginners. 331dot (talk) 08:16, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
 * We means I ( Umeshpand99) Umepand99 (talk) 08:20, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
 * @Umepand99 Please read HELP:YFA. 🇺🇦 Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 🇺🇦 08:39, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Umepand99, We currently lack a sufficient number of articles written for the CCaaS platform on wiki immediately sounds as if your purpose is telling people about the CCaaS platform, rather than improving Wikipedia. That is called promotion. If there are subjects connected with this platform that (each) meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability, then Wikipedia wants to have articles on those subjects. If there are not, then Wikipedia does not want, and will not accept, articles on them. ColinFine (talk) 15:46, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

09:59, 28 August 2023 review of submission by Bruce954
I actually seek help from the Wikipedia help desk when it was rejected the second time and they requested I re-summit it with this sources  I'm still shocked, it still been rejected. He is an inventor that has received recognition globally even from Nigeria President Muhammadu Buhari, Amazon (company), Techstars Accelerator Los Angeles, and has been featured by TechCrunch, []Business of Fashion]]. If I am to humbly suggest, this needs to be critically looked at by another experience editor aside from the editor constantly rejecting it.Bruce954 (talk) 09:59, 28 August 2023 (UTC)


 * @Bruce954 It might have been wiser for the reviewer to have allowed someone else to review it. However, I do understand their rationale. From what is present, including references, I am finding it hard to see how he passes WP:BIO.
 * do you have any further comments, please? 🇺🇦 Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 🇺🇦 13:11, 28 August 2023 (UTC)


 * I appreciate you for your response, and respect to your first line of reply that he should have allowed another editor to look at it instead, than constantly giving other editor no clear head to take a good look at it. On this article when it was rejected by him I seek advice from other experience editor on their talk page and also came to the tea house twice before those reference was requested I used instead. The subject in questions has received significant coverage outside of Nigeria with loads of over 30 awards to his name that huge and has been featured international including by  Princeton University, World Economic Forum, Junior Chamber International6th European Union–African Union Summit Stellenbosch University CNN etc he has loads of reference to back all this up including all the awards. I still humble request for this subjects to be looked at critical inline with the references. He should be able to pass either any of these or all if I'm not mistaken WP:GNG , WP: Basic, WP:Anybio. Bruce954 (talk) 22:03, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
 * @Bruce954 One of the major problems is the slew of adverts that your references hurl at the reviewer trying to validate them. One also linked to a scam. Another changed before my eyes into something else. So forgive me if I find them difficult to trust.
 * Fewer, good quality references would change my mind. See WP:CITEKILL and WP:BOMBARD. A fact you assert, once verified in a reliable source, is verified. More is gilding the lily. Please choose the very best in each case of multiple referencing for a single point and either drop or repurpose the remainder.
 * Please approach me on my talk page once you have slimmed the references down, and I will take a long look at the draft. 🇺🇦 Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 🇺🇦 22:14, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

10:45, 28 August 2023 review of submission by Imanluk
Please control Jamiebuba he is on the loose.

Jamiebuba, I can see you are on a mission against my articles. I published this article (Igun Street) and it was moved to draft with some suggestions on improving it. I am in the middle of that and you have rejected it without giving me a chance to address the areas identified.

What authority have you to reject articles because in your own view they should not be on Wikipedia. My last article you rejected meets Wikipedia sources guidelines on use of oral history. You rejected it on the grounds that the person is not notable enough. Yet there are people on Wikipedia with simple two sentences biographies because they have an OBE. The one you rejected was the Chief Royal Blacksmith of the Benin Kingdom who worked across a large part of that area.

History records that do not allow oral tradition sources as you are claiming that Wikipedia does is not reliable and is biased against other cultures of the world. Without oral historical sources where would the world be today? I suggest you take a couple of basic history lessons before you reject any more articles. Your view on Wikipedia is dangerous because it is racist against many cultures of the world that are not current Western media topics.

Finally why is it your duty to pursue my articles on Wikipedia and reject them? Imanluk (talk) 10:45, 28 August 2023 (UTC)


 * @Imanluk No-one has rejected Draft:Igun Street.
 * has rejectedDraft:Prince Aigbogun Omeike
 * Coming here to complain about someone in the manner that you have is uncivil. Please ameliorate your tone, or no-one will listen to you. Read WP:NPA, please. 🇺🇦 Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 🇺🇦 11:11, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Editor has been warned formally on their talk page about lack of civility. 🇺🇦 Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 🇺🇦 11:16, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I remain concerned about the editor accusing another of racism in their penultimate paragraph, and again on their own talk page (this diff). Had it been once I might have considered a casual insult, but doubling down on it may require intervention by an admin. 🇺🇦 Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 🇺🇦 11:24, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
 * @Timtrent Personally, while reviewing the article I noticed that the draft in question is infact not about a notable subject. I attempted to find sources myself to add but on a search even on GBOOKS there is not a mention of the subject. The links used are from Weebly sites which is probably created by whoever is trying to get the article done. At this point, I would reject it a second time if i had the chance. My grandparents are of African descent, so am not being racist. I've only come across this user once but i have a feeling they may have another account seeing how they lashed out over a review which i did for a non-notable subject. Jamiebuba (talk) 12:57, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
 * @Jamiebuba I also have reservations about the article,though I performed "borderline acceptance" on it (see its talk page). If you offer it to AfD I will remain neutral.
 * I am more concerned that you have been accused twice of racism. I feel that any further action is yours to take, not mine, so I have carefully let it stand in plain sight. My own opinion on abuse is to keep it visible. I have my own policy about this my talk page. 🇺🇦  Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 🇺🇦 13:03, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Courtesy link Igun Street 🇺🇦 Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 🇺🇦 13:05, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Igun Street seems ok, so no comment on that. Jamiebuba (talk) 13:24, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

12:41, 28 August 2023 review of submission by GeorgeSeaks
Can someone do a review for this article? It has been awaiting a second review for more than 4 months now. Thanks! GeorgeSeaks (talk) 12:41, 28 August 2023 (UTC)


 * @GeorgeSeaks: for the record, it has been waiting slightly under 4 months (resubmitted on 3 May), but yes, I take your point that it has been waiting quite long. Alas, we have well over 4,000 drafts awaiting review, and they are not processed in any particular order, so it could be another while; please remain patient. Thanks, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 12:49, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
 * @DoubleGrazing: Thank you for the swift action. -- GeorgeSeaks (talk) 14:04, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

13:36, 28 August 2023 review of submission by NicholasCarver
Hello. I have made the necessary edits as per the recommendations by the community. The article, while shown as "under review" has not changed status in about a year (there was some confusion as I created a duplicate article by mistake, which has now been deleted). This confusion may have caused this edited article to go to the bottom of the pile. Would you be able to get this a second look and either (1) post it or (2) inform me what is required to get this done? Thank you. NicholasCarver (talk) 13:36, 28 August 2023 (UTC)


 * @NicholasCarver: there is no 'pile' or 'queue', there is rather a 'pool', meaning drafts are not reviewed in any particular order. You have resubmitted this (on 23 June) and it is awaiting review, please be patient; we have over 4,000 drafts pending. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 13:39, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

13:53, 28 August 2023 review of submission by Jamesinhere
what happened - Draft article got rejected (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Foundit.in&oldid=1150484128) with below comment:

Thank you for your submission, but the subject of this article already exists in Wikipedia. You can find it and improve it at Monster.com instead.

Here editor referring to USA based Monster entity however Region specific Monster entity got sold to Quess corp in Jan 2018 (https://www.thehindubusinessline.com/companies/quess-corp-acquires-monsters-business/article22613035.ece) and rebranded Monster in South East Asia and Middle east region with a different name (foundit) https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/tech/technology/jobsearch-portal-monster-rebranded-as-foundit-becomes-talent-management-portal/articleshow/95715997.cms?from=mdr, with Ownership change there is no direct linkages between Monster.com USA and foundit (Formerly Monster in South East Asia and Middle East).

I need help from someone to review and conclude that now Monster.com USA and foundit are 2 different entities and can have a listing on wikipedia, also need a fair review on the information listed on page and offer guidance.

Why I need help - seems questioning on nature of edit from reviewer leads to COI and even after denying it nothing would happen. Hence want neutral opinion from other reviewer and help in review. Jamesinhere (talk) 13:53, 28 August 2023 (UTC)


 * @Jamesinhere Do not use any supposed AI text generator. They usually create high quality gibberish 🇺🇦 Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 🇺🇦 15:51, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

14:41, 28 August 2023 review of submission by 161.22.53.36
Hi, We used Chatgpt for additional content indeed. What sources are you refering to, so that we can edit or delete them.

What else needs to be done in order to get this informational page published?

161.22.53.36 (talk) 14:41, 28 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Do not use any supposed AI text generator. They usually create high quality gibberish 🇺🇦 Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 🇺🇦 15:47, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
 * There is nothing you can do, IP editor. Your draft has been rejected and will not be considered further. You are welcome to improve the existing articles Algorithmic trading or Automated trading system but do not use ChatGPT.  Qcne  (talk)  16:24, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

14:44, 28 August 2023 review of submission by Rebekkin
I am now at a loss for what else to do for this article to be approved. I have tried to provide as many references as possible to support the information, including a biographical book about the subject. Thank you. Rebekkin (talk) 14:44, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
 * It has been rejected so will not be reviewed again and as previously notified " Wikipedia is not a Facebook link collection" Facebook is NOT a reliable source. Theroadislong (talk) 14:51, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Most of the Facebook references are the actual Facebook page of the respective band clubs. (Some have their own web site and others have a Facebook page). Other references are made to a Facebook page on the subject (Antonio Micallef) referring to documents confirming information about the subject. In this respect, all links refer to reliable sources. Rebekkin (talk) 15:25, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Sorry but that is not the case, see WP:RSPFACEBOOK. Theroadislong (talk) 15:35, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I see you have at last removed the Facebook references, but alas the vast majority of the remaining sources do not even mention Micallef? I fear you are wasting your time. Theroadislong (talk) 17:21, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your comment. References 1, 3, 6, 8 and 10 include biographies about Antonio. Reference 1 refers to a biographical book on Antonio Micallef published on Amazon in paperback and Kindle formats (ISBN 9798512574454). In order to provide more clarity I will remove all references that do not mention him. Hopefully it will look better. Rebekkin (talk) 17:38, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

15:10, 28 August 2023 review of submission by Sergemaurice
can i have the points who are considered unreliable? Sergemaurice (talk) 15:10, 28 August 2023 (UTC)


 * @Sergemaurice Any site with user generated content is unreliable. This includes Spotify, Youtube, Facebook etc. 🇺🇦 Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 🇺🇦 15:40, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

15:31, 28 August 2023 review of submission by 2600:6C44:1A3F:CBFC:3CF1:4B71:5BF6:2B17
Hi - The article was rejected for a lack of reliable sources. The article is about an alternative tuition model for higher education that is appearing across the country. I was told not to link to the universities' tuition pages as sources, but those are the primary sources. What is a more reliable source than the university websites? 2600:6C44:1A3F:CBFC:3CF1:4B71:5BF6:2B17 (talk) 15:31, 28 August 2023 (UTC)


 * You seem to have ignored the comment made by the reviewer. If that is not the case please confirm that you have. Then consider what question you really wish to ask 🇺🇦 Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 🇺🇦 15:42, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, can you help me understand the comment? The comment was twofold: a) there are errors in the sources that need fixing and b) "you should not be linking random University finance pages." I didn't mean to ignore the comment. My question is: Are university tuition pages legitimate sources? 2600:6C44:1A3F:CBFC:3CF1:4B71:5BF6:2B17 (talk) 15:53, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi IP Editor. Every one of your sources has the Help:CS1 errors error. To resolve this error, remove the external link from the identified parameter. As for the External Links section - it's not clear why you have linked those specific finance pages. Were you wanting to use them as a reference? In which case they should be in the References section, although they are primary sources so probably shouldn't be used.  Qcne  (talk)  16:21, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Ok, thanks. I'll fix the links and I appreciate the clarification, but I don't want to fix the links if the sources aren't going to be accepted.
 * Yes, I want to use the university finance pages as sources. They are primary sources, but the article is about an alternative tuition model that's being used across the country. It's not a fringe idea, schools like UC Berkeley and Ohio State are using this tuition model. How can I write about the tuition model if I can't link to the university web pages? There are not many articles about it. This is a major trend happening in higher education and deserves a wikipedia page. 2600:6C44:1A3F:CBFC:3CF1:4B71:5BF6:2B17 (talk) 17:53, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia articles paraphrase what reliable, independent, secondary sources say about a subject. If There are not many articles about it then it is simply WP:TOOSOON for there to be a Wikipedia article. Note that no topic inherently deserves an article: all articles must be backed up by reliable and independent sources.
 * I would recommend waiting until reputable places (newspapers, journals, etc) discuss this new tuition model in detail and provide some sort of analysis, interpretation, or discussion. Then you can paraphrase those sources and use them to make up the content of your draft.  Qcne  (talk)  17:57, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

15:42, 28 August 2023 review of submission by Rebekkin
The article was rejected. Where do we go from here? Do I need to start a fresh (revised) entry with other references? Rebekkin (talk) 15:42, 28 August 2023 (UTC)


 * @Rebekkin first discuss the rejection with the reviewer. You might persuade them to rescind the rejection 🇺🇦 Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 🇺🇦 15:45, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
 * You would need to remove/replace, the 9 x Facebook references and the 4 x YouTube references to start with. Theroadislong (talk) 15:50, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you, I can do that, no problem. Rebekkin (talk) 16:34, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
 * @Rebekkin, please note that Wikipedia accounts can only be used by a single person. Your use of the word 'we' implies you might be sharing your account or representing an organisation?  Qcne  (talk)  16:19, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I am the only one using this account. 'We' in this context is a figure of speech. Rebekkin (talk) 16:29, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for clarifying.  Qcne  (talk)  16:30, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

15:56, 28 August 2023 review of submission by Chauhan72
Sir this is an all real plz accept Chauhan72 (talk) 15:56, 28 August 2023 (UTC)


 * @Chauhan72 So am I, but an article about me would also be rejected. This doesn't even look liken article, as you can see. Please read Help:YFA and start afresh 🇺🇦 Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 🇺🇦 16:15, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
 * @Chauhan72, you were repeatedly asked to provide sources but re-submitted the article despite not doing so. Read WP:VERIFY closely.  Qcne  (talk)  16:18, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

16:15, 28 August 2023 review of submission by Ankitsingh620
i worked as a assistant director Ankitsingh620 (talk) 16:15, 28 August 2023 (UTC)


 * @Ankitsingh620 do you have a specific question? Your article has been rejected as you do not meet the threshold at WP:NPEOPLE.  Qcne  (talk)  16:17, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

16:16, 28 August 2023 review of submission by Kadoon2013
This article page has been a accepted. Kadoon2013 (talk) 16:16, 28 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi @Kadoon2013, no it has not been accepted, it was rejected.  Qcne  (talk)  16:17, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

18:01, 28 August 2023 review of submission by Rooghu
how to publish this article Rooghu (talk) 18:01, 28 August 2023 (UTC)


 * @Rooghu, you cannot: it has been rejected and will not be considered further.  Qcne  (talk)  18:02, 28 August 2023 (UTC)