Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk/Archives/2023 August 31

= August 31 =

04:10, 31 August 2023 review of submission by Sankar raja 123
I am new here, I have done the things best of my knowledge and made that article and still it has some flaws.....so, kindly request for help Sankar raja 123 (talk) 04:10, 31 August 2023 (UTC)


 * @Sankar raja 123: your article needs to be based on reliable published sources, and you need to cite those sources so that readers can see where the information is coming from and verify it if needed. See WP:REFB for advice on referencing. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 06:04, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

04:52, 31 August 2023 review of submission by 111.92.125.131
How we can publish this wikipedia page? 111.92.125.131 (talk) 04:52, 31 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Firstly, please log into your account when editing.
 * Secondly, who is "we"?
 * As to your question, you could and should have listened to all the advice that was offered during the numerous reviews, and improved the draft. You didn't. Therefore it has now been rejected and will not be considered further. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 06:00, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

05:51, 31 August 2023 review of submission by Jujupiter
I would like to add a picture of the artist unfortunately, I don't know where I can get a picture free of rights for Wikimedia. I have messaged him on Instagram, contacted his music label and even the studio that did a movie with him and no one has replied. How do people usually do? Is there a specific service or a way to get in touch with photographers...? Thank you for your help 🙏 Jujupiter (talk) 05:51, 31 August 2023 (UTC)


 * @Jujupiter: we can't really help, as we don't have any special access to images here at the help desk. If you cannot find a suitable image, then don't add one; it isn't important, in that it has no bearing on this draft's chances of being accepted.
 * Just to say also that contacting third parties asking for photos is a bit pointless. Even if they send you a copy, you still wouldn't be able to use it, because it remains under their copyright. They would have to expressly release it under a compatible licence, which they are probably unwilling to do, and even if they did, you would have hard time proving this. In fact, they as the creator and copyright owner would have to upload it and release the rights. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 06:11, 31 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Alright, thank you. I did ask them for a picture free of rights, hoping maybe they would be happy to release one but indeed, it was pointless. Jujupiter (talk) 06:48, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

07:21, 31 August 2023 review of submission by 117.121.211.195
We include several external links, not limited to those from Wikipedia or our own sources, as recommendations for the Wiki page and request permission for publication. However, the commit button is invisible, and our only option is to 'Ask for advice.' Could you kindly offer your guidance? 117.121.211.195 (talk) 07:21, 31 August 2023 (UTC)


 * The submit button is unavailable because I have rejected this draft, rather than merely declined, meaning you can no longer submit it for review. At the time when I reviewed this, the only references were to the university's own website and to Wikipedia articles. I can see that you have since then added a few other references, but these are still not enough to establish notability, and I therefore stand by my rejection. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 07:35, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

08:38, 31 August 2023 review of submission by Bavile
Hi, it's the first time I have created an article. I'm not sure how to create the table of contents so that I can then populate this with the summary and other information? Bavile (talk) 08:38, 31 August 2023 (UTC)


 * @Bavile: the TOC gets created automatically, once there are four (IIRC) or more section headings. You can also force it (on and off), although normally you shouldn't. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 08:41, 31 August 2023 (UTC)
 * @DoubleGrazing Apologies but I don't yet have any section headings and not sure how to begin updating my draft article with these? I looked for guidance information on this but it didn't seem obvious where this info is? Bavile (talk) 09:00, 31 August 2023 (UTC)
 * @Bavile: never mind no section headings, you don't seem to have any content, if this Draft:Mellatron is the draft you're referring to. Create the content, divide it into sections with MOS:HEADINGS, and the TOC will follow. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 09:03, 31 August 2023 (UTC)
 * @DoubleGrazing Yes that's the draft that I have opened. Many thanks I will creating content and try using the MOS: HEADINGS to divide it as you have advised. Bavile (talk) 09:08, 31 August 2023 (UTC)
 * @DoubleGrazing Thank you again for the technical advice earlier but apologies again I unfortunately accidentally prematurely submitted my draft article before I had finished adding citations etc. I fully understand you rejecting it. I will endeavour to not submit it again before it's ready for submission. Just checking apart from lack of citations and links, whether the layout is ok now? If it correctly has the MOS Headings etc as you explained earlier? Bavile (talk) 13:37, 31 August 2023 (UTC)
 * @Bavile: it has no section headings, other than the 'References' one. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 13:41, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

09:52, 31 August 2023 review of submission by Hisonlysoneditor
please accept it sir. this is a famous artist and a actor who has workvery hard and he has reknowed as Artist Ashish Rawde He Has Work In Many Films And Many Songs in current he has worked as Ishamel ( in only son) and the indian film bande utkala janani please accept it sir Hisonlysoneditor (talk) 09:52, 31 August 2023 (UTC)


 * @Hisonlysoneditor: we don't review articles on demand; this is awaiting review, and will be assessed when a reviewer happens to pick it up. Although having said that, I can tell you already now that it will not be accepted, as there is no evidence of notability, and it is also entirely promotional. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 09:56, 31 August 2023 (UTC)
 * What is your association with him, since he posed for the picture you took? 331dot (talk) 10:01, 31 August 2023 (UTC)
 * There are zero reliable independent sources in the draft and the content is laughably promotional in tone. Theroadislong (talk) 10:07, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

11:29, 31 August 2023 review of submission by Bilaldj7
Please let me know the reason for rejection. Bilaldj7 (talk) 11:29, 31 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I fixed the link to your draft(you were missing the "Draft:" portion). Your draft was only declined, not rejected.  "Rejected" has a specific meaning here, that a draft may not be resubmitted.  "Declined" means that it may be resubmitted.  The reason for the decline was left by the reviewer at the top of your draft.  Do you have a question about it? 331dot (talk) 11:33, 31 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi @Bilaldj7, I am the decliner. Your draft does not read like a Wikipedia article, it reads like an essay. That is inappropriate for Wikipedia.  Qcne  (talk)  11:39, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

11:55, 31 August 2023 review of submission by Falia2
What can I do to get this article accepted? Falia2 (talk) 11:55, 31 August 2023 (UTC)


 * @Falia2- nothing, sorry. It has been rejected and won't be considered further.  Qcne  (talk)  11:59, 31 August 2023 (UTC)
 * @Falia2: what is your relationship to this subject? I asked this on your talk page a week or so ago, but you have not responded. Please do so now. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 12:08, 31 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I have no relationship with it, its just a company that created a snowboard machine for Quebec winters Falia2 (talk) 12:41, 31 August 2023 (UTC)
 * what can i do? Falia2 (talk) 12:56, 31 August 2023 (UTC)
 * As stated, nothing, as the draft has been rejected. Sorry.  Qcne  (talk)  12:58, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

12:29, 31 August 2023 review of submission by Bine Gruen
Hi, I am currently creating a new article. Here are my questions: 1. In the menu, "cotnribute" is not active and I cannot access the function. 2. I would like to work in the visual editor mode, but it this function is not visible to me, only read and source mode. 3. I would like to insert in the article a picture, but without the visual editor I do not know how to manage. If my question 2 cannot be solved, I would need the source code for inserting the image. Thanks for the help Bine Gruen (talk) 12:29, 31 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi @Bine Gruen: I can't help you with regards to the visual editor, but someone will hopefully come along shortly who can. In the meantime, I can't help noticing that your draft is entirely unreferenced, which means that the information cannot be verified, and also that there is no evidence that the subject is notable. Those are both hard requirements for a draft to be accepted (whereas images and other 'nice to haves' aren't), so my advice would be to focus first and foremost on referencing your article fully. Please see WP:BLP, WP:GNG and WP:REFB for advice on articles on living people, the general notability guideline, and referencing, respectively. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 12:39, 31 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Many thanks for your advice. It is meant to be a biography rather than a topic article. I try to gather some references and try to argue the importance of the person. Bine Gruen (talk) 12:45, 31 August 2023 (UTC)
 * @Bine Gruen: I'm not quite sure what you mean, articles are articles regardless of the topic; if anything biographies on living people have stricter referencing requirements, as explained in WP:BLP.
 * It sounds like you may be trying to go about this BACKWARD, by first writing what you want, and then trying to support it with sources. What you should do is find some sources that are reliable and independent, and provide significant coverage of the subject, summarise (in your own words) what they have said, and cite each source against the information provided. This gives you both your article content and the necessary referencing. HTH, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 12:52, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

13:22, 31 August 2023 review of submission by LittlePerson10
I don't know, I cited the most reliable source I could find. Maybe do I need to cite a link to the game on the Google Appstore as it says what the game is about on there? LittlePerson10 (talk) 13:22, 31 August 2023 (UTC)


 * @LittlePerson10: no, linking to the app store blurb would not help at all, as that is merely the app developer/marketer telling you what they think you want to hear in order to download the app. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 13:51, 31 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Where do I cite it to then? Theres not really much places to cite it to. LittlePerson10 (talk) 16:13, 31 August 2023 (UTC)
 * That is a strong indication that the topic is not notable so we do not require an article about it. Theroadislong (talk) 16:16, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

13:35, 31 August 2023 review of submission by Askthebamaphoenix
I am trying to understand why my article was deleted about a social media presence. There are many Wikipedia pages dedicated to other social media personalities yet mine was deleted. What I was attempting to do is set up a few wiki pages regarding social media personalities that fight for social justice and equality. So, can you tell me what is wrong with that? When y'all literally have a page dedicated to. ones that have done nothing other than just become popular. If it is simply a question of reformatting or adding notations. Please let me know because these are people who have put themselves in danger to fight for and stand up for other people. This was the first of several that I was going to add but I did not want to go through all the trouble of adding them if they were going to be deleted. Please advise and if possible, not in technical terminology please. Askthebamaphoenix (talk) 13:35, 31 August 2023 (UTC)


 * @Askthebamaphoenix: if you mean, that was deleted as promotional. And I can see that in you're about to repeat that. This is a pretty sure-fire way to get yourself blocked, so I would advise caution. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 13:50, 31 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi @Askthebamaphoenix, I rejected your original draft and marked it for speedy deletion. Unfortunately you do not meet the very strict WP:NPEOPLE or WP:NORG criteria. Further attempts to make these articles will also be rejected, I am afraid.
 * Wikipedia has millions of articles and unfortunately many are poor quality and would not be permitted on Wikipedia if submitted today.  Qcne  (talk)  14:06, 31 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia is not a place to merely tell about people who do good things. 331dot (talk) 18:34, 31 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I am not sure is a difference between an article on people like this and people like Charli D’Amelio? Both are articles about social media presence. However, your platform is yours to run as you see fit. It’s worth noting that there are other social media personalities who do more than just review clothes and makeup. Some try to help communities and make the world a better place. It’s similar to mainstream media; if you’re not famous for being famous like the Kardashians, they don’t care. This was just my attempt to add articles about people who are trying to make the world a better place. That way when kids are searching for information, they can see other examples besides the ones that live their lives for the drama and scandals. Again, thanks for the consideration.
 * If nothing else here is a list of a few people that are trying to make a difference and they are doing it without the scandals. Bama2Dads, Ileavebreadcrumbs, Zman, Pottymouthpollyanna, Juanfoster, and lioness.with.the.mane2, etc. These were some that were going to be articles but at least maybe you can look at them and see their contributions. Thanks Askthebamaphoenix (talk) 15:57, 1 September 2023 (UTC)
 * @Askthebamaphoenix The difference is likely to be that the articles that remain have people saying things about them in multiple reliable sources that are independent of them
 * I do good works, but an article about me would not be accepted
 * We do have a significant number of articles that are below our standards. We are but few and they are many. 🇺🇦 Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 🇺🇦 16:05, 1 September 2023 (UTC)

13:45, 31 August 2023 review of submission by Falia2
What can I do to make this page work? I am not affiliated to this product Falia2 (talk) 13:45, 31 August 2023 (UTC)


 * @Falia2: why do you keep asking the same question, and opening a new thread? As already advised (twice), this draft has been rejected and will not be considered further. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 13:47, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

17:49, 31 August 2023 review of submission by The Phil Pixie
This is my first article I've created from scratch....Is this now ready for review, is there anyhing else that needs to be added? The Phil Pixie (talk) 17:49, 31 August 2023 (UTC)
 * . Your brief draft fails to make the case that this company meets the notability guideline for companies. An acceptable Wikipedia article about a company summarizes significant coverage of the company in reliable, independent sources. Neither of your references meet that standard. Cullen328 (talk) 17:58, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

22:04, 31 August 2023 review of submission by Ogoos11
Remove this article from draft section Ogoos11 (talk) 22:04, 31 August 2023 (UTC)


 * The draft was rejected, meaning that it will not be considered further. If you were to attempt to place it in the encyclopedia yourself, it would likely be deleted. You'll need to move on from this. 331dot (talk) 22:08, 31 August 2023 (UTC)
 * @Ogoos11 Have you thought about being somewhat more polite. It will not affect the outcome, but it leaves us with a better impression of you. 🇺🇦 Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 🇺🇦 16:07, 1 September 2023 (UTC)