Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk/Archives/2023 December 17

= December 17 =

00:59, 17 December 2023 review of submission by 24.121.207.119
What can be done to improve notability for the John Eldon topic? 24.121.207.119 (talk) 00:59, 17 December 2023 (UTC)


 * The reviewer left information about this at the top of your draft. Do you have more specific questions about it? 331dot (talk) 08:23, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

03:16, 17 December 2023 review of submission by Joesters
He never stated a reason for not uploading it and i would like to fix it. Joesters (talk) 03:16, 17 December 2023 (UTC)


 * @Joesters: the reason is, the subject is not notable. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 08:19, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

He said its not sutible for wiki even though Joey Thompson is a athlete for hfo. Joesters (talk) 03:17, 17 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Please don't create a new thread for every comment, just edit this existing section by clicking "edit" in the section header. You provided no independent reliable sources in the draft, and it seems to be based on your personal word- which is impossible to independently verify. Please see Your First Article. 331dot (talk) 08:22, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

12:14, 17 December 2023 review of submission by Marcinebu1984
Hello,

I've made some changes to an article and would like to submit it. Could you guide me through the process?

Thank you. Marcinebu1984 (talk) 12:14, 17 December 2023 (UTC)


 * @Marcinebu1984: I have restored the earlier review tags (please don't remove them, it says there to leave them on until accepted), so there is now a blue 'resubmit' button which you need to click on when ready. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 12:21, 17 December 2023 (UTC)
 * IMDb, Wikibio and Linkedin.com are not reliable sources. Theroadislong (talk) 14:59, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

13:06, 17 December 2023 review of submission by Smike777
Hi, I would like to know what you guys mean by significant coverage. So that my article can be accepted. Yhr article is about a rising filmmaker and entrepreneur. They have released films and composed music that were on shows.

How exactly can we get the page accepted. The article is about a person who does not do many interviews so if you are looking for TV references they don't do much of those. But the individual is listed on trusted professional websites that are independent of the person such as IMDBpro. And Amazon. Genius.com is also a legitimate source as they fact check before just letting anyone be listed there.

Thanks for your time. Please let me know if you can reconsider accepting this page. Smike777 (talk) 13:06, 17 December 2023 (UTC)


 * @Smike777: 'significant coverage' is explained here: WP:SIGCOV.
 * That said, your draft has plenty of other problems, as the sources are pretty useless, and none of the information is referenced. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 13:26, 17 December 2023 (UTC)
 * The sources are not useless. Change your terms. Be more profressional. As for references, that can be improved.  Smike777 (talk) 13:35, 17 December 2023 (UTC)
 * "Rising" is another way of saying "up and coming". Wikipedia is not a place for articles about somebody who might be notable soon; it is for people who have already achieved notability. And IMDb, Genius.com, and Amazon are all entirely useless here. -- Orange Mike &#124;  Talk  01:43, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

14:08, 17 December 2023 review of submission by 185.221.100.24
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14:40, 17 December 2023 review of submission by Ton94849287
I don't understand why he is not notable enough for a wiki page. He has had major news sources do articles on him and is the CEO of the largest steel manufacturer in America Ton94849287 (talk) 14:40, 17 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Bloomberg is just a profile which is trivial coverage and the other source is the company which is a primary source and not independent. Also, notability is not inherited so being the CEO of a large company in and of itself matters not.  Keep in mind Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not LinkedIn or the company's website.  Strict standards apply here which the draft has failed to meet after several submissions so is now rejected and will no longer be considered.  S0091 (talk) 18:36, 17 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Add ping @Ton94849287. S0091 (talk) 18:36, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

14:49, 17 December 2023 review of submission by Ton94849287
I was trying to do something nice for my grandpa and get him a Wikipedia page but this website clearly has no interest in helping anyone I will not be donating in the future because of you Ton94849287 (talk) 14:49, 17 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Your draft had zero independent sources, so zero chance of being acceptable, there are no "pages" on Wikipedia, we have articles on notable topics, see WP:GNG and WP:YFA for help. Theroadislong (talk) 16:00, 17 December 2023 (UTC)
 * @Ton94849287: Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia, not a website where you "do something nice" for someone. Your draft was unsuitable for inclusion, which is why it has been rejected. And while we are sorry to hear you won't be donating in the future, that has nothing to do with any of us here at the AfC help desk. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 16:00, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

17:13, 17 December 2023 review of submission by DonnaD2023
My page was rejected because it isn’t notable. Just because the subject isn’t well known, she is still a musician and should be included. There is no reason for it to get rejected. DonnaD2023 (talk) 17:13, 17 December 2023 (UTC)


 * @DonnaD2023: Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia, not a directory of everyone who is a musician. Please see notability and verifiability, which are core requirements for inclusion here. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 17:18, 17 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Can you name a musician that isn’t on here? It may have other info too, but all the musicians are also on here, so that is no good reason. DonnaD2023 (talk) 17:43, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

17:18, 17 December 2023 review of submission by DonnaD2023
My page was rejected because it isn’t notable. Just because the subject isn’t well known, she is still a musician and should be included. There is no reason for it to get rejected. I don’t have many references because she is aspiring and not yet well known. She is a hometown local musician who will one day be big, but she’s just not yet. I can think of many musicians that started and still are like that who are on Wikipedia articles, so why can’t she? No good reason. DonnaD2023 (talk) 17:18, 17 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Please don't start a new thread with every comment. Thank you. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 17:19, 17 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Uh, that’s a little rude. DonnaD2023 (talk) 17:43, 17 December 2023 (UTC)
 * No one has been rude to you. If please and thank you are now rude......  A user gently asked you not to start a new thread with every post. No more, no less. 331dot (talk) 17:51, 17 December 2023 (UTC)
 * "Aspiring" and "rising" musicians almost never merit articles; a musician must become noticed and established in their field to the point where they receive significant coverage in independent reliable sources showing how they meet the special Wikipedia definition of a notable musician. If the sources do not exist, the subject cannot have an article on Wikipedia. Wikipedia is the last place to write about someone, not the first. If you just want to tell the world about this musician, you might try social media or other website with less stringent requirements.
 * Please see other stuff exists. The existence of other poor articles cannot justify the addition of more poor articles.  We can only address the articles we know about.  As this is a volunteer project where people do what they can when they can, inappropriate articles can get by us.  Standards have also changed over time so that what was once appropriate is no longer.  If you would like to help us out, please identify these other articles you have seen for possible action.  We need the help. 331dot (talk) 17:55, 17 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Can you please tell me why my article is inappropriate? DonnaD2023 (talk) 17:56, 17 December 2023 (UTC)
 * It was rejected and speedy deleted as not notable, you have re-created it, that is disruptive and pointless. Theroadislong (talk) 17:59, 17 December 2023 (UTC)
 * The main reason is that it is completely unsourced. Wikipedia articles must summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage choose on their own to say about the topic, showing how it is notable(as I describe in my last post to you).  Please see WP:BACKWARD; you shouldn't write a text and then look for sources to support it- you should first gather the sources, check for notability, and then summarize those sources. Hopefully someday this musician gets noticed and then would eventually merit an article- that's just not now.  See WP:TOOSOON.  As I said, Wikipedia is the last place to write about something, not the first. 331dot (talk) 17:59, 17 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia is for articles about people who have achieved notability, not for the up-and-coming, might-be-big-someday. There are millions of fine musicians, actors and writers who will never achieve notability, and thousands who might someday. -- Orange Mike &#124;  Talk  01:50, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

18:19, 17 December 2023 review of submission by Chamosuhdod
Hello, I always try in any article I write or edit to add reliable sources, as is the case in this draft. I added reliable Arabic sources because there are no sources in the English language. I also try to coordinate the artist’s information to be compatible. With Wikipedia, but it is rejected. I do not know the reason, but I added Arabic sources that you can translate. Thank you. Have a good day. Chamosuhdod (talk) 18:19, 17 December 2023 (UTC)


 * @Chamosuhdod: I'm not sure what you're asking, but the draft has been resubmitted so a reviewer will assess it shortly. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 08:22, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

19:34, 17 December 2023 review of submission by Tira7
Hello, I have changed footnotes in accordance to rules and I don't know how could I do the article better for approving. Could you explain it, please. Tira7 (talk) 19:34, 17 December 2023 (UTC)


 * @Tira7: as you have now resubmitted the draft, you will get feedback when a reviewer picks it up. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 08:21, 18 December 2023 (UTC)