Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk/Archives/2023 December 20

= December 20 =

03:15, 20 December 2023 review of submission by TMEcurator
Entire draft article was dismissed based on reviewer's opinion (" I am also of the opinion..."). If current draft is not satisfactory, I would like to work with a reviewer or editor in revising this standalone page for the Mandela Effect. It is right now only a subsection in another Wikipedia article but is deserving of a page of its own. TMEcurator (talk) 03:15, 20 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Typically the standalone article should first be expanded and then a discussion take place as to if a part of it should be spun off into a separate article, so that those that follow the existing article can weigh in- this process is not something that all editors of an article monitor so editors that follow the existing article can't give their views. 331dot (talk) 08:40, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

04:20, 20 December 2023 review of submission by Entropico68
I have written a page on the "Coimbra derivative" to be linked to the main wikipedia page for "Fractional Calculus". The main page cites the "Coimbra derivative" without any explanation or link. Two editors have rejected the secondary page saying that it lacks context, but the page is to be linked to the topic (Fractional Calculus) in which the entire context is discussed. Should I repeat the context on fractional and variable order derivatives in this small page that is just meant to clarify the definition of one particular type (out of many) derivatives discussed in detail in the "Fractional Calculus" wikipedia page? Also, I can add hundreds of additional references to the list since the main paper that the Coimbra derivative was first derived has received hundreds of citations, but the references included show the variety of the problems used and includes secondary references as well. Any help here would be appreciated. For comparison, please see the short page for the Grunwald-Letnikov derivative at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gr%C3%BCnwald%E2%80%93Letnikov_derivative, which provides even less context than the one provided in the page I wrote and a grand total of 2 (two) references, but is successfully linked to the Fractional Calculus wikipedia page. Thanks! Entropico68 (talk) 04:20, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

04:32, 20 December 2023 review of submission by Serrwinner
I submitted the article a week ago but it was declined for grammar issues. The reviewer told me in their talk page it looked fine after making changes but they don't review the same article twice. Which I totally respect. However now it has been a week and I'm not sure whether it's going to be reviewed and it feels a bit confusing now because the article seems fine yet it hasn't been reviewed and is just being piled on due to the backlog. If anyone can kindly assist by reviewing I would highly appreciate. Serrwinner (talk) 04:32, 20 December 2023 (UTC)


 * There is not a queue for reviews: there is just a pile, which reviewers look through and choose which articles to look at. Please be patient. ColinFine (talk) 11:31, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

07:00, 20 December 2023 review of submission by Antonio Vinzaretti
Reviewer said that seems no significant changes since past AfD, which sounds like mocking of me cause I have no idea how it was looks like before. But one user helped me and found in internet-archive the previous content. Refernece: https://web.archive.org/web/20231028000951/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitget So after I saw that, reviewer's comment sounds like mocking of me. Compare it before rejecting my article, thx Antonio Vinzaretti (talk) 07:00, 20 December 2023 (UTC)


 * No one was mocking you, they were just stating a fact. Do you have a question? You don't seem to be aware of the special rules around editing about crypto- I will notify you of these. 331dot (talk) 08:46, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

14:22, 20 December 2023 review of submission by Phyominsanofficialaccount
Help me Phyominsanofficialaccount (talk) 14:22, 20 December 2023 (UTC)


 * @Phyominsanofficialaccount: this draft, such as it is, has been rejected and will therefore not be considered further. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 14:33, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

14:34, 20 December 2023 review of submission by Realdennis.hoang
I cannot create an account in Vietnamese Wikipedia cuz someone blocked my IP but I've never create an account before Realdennis.hoang (talk) 14:34, 20 December 2023 (UTC)


 * @Realdennis.hoang: this is the English-language Wikipedia, we have nothing to do with the Vietnamese version, which is an entirely different project. Any queries you have regarding the latter, you need to ask there.
 * With that in mind, do you have a question about your (non-English-language) draft? -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 14:45, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
 * no thanks 2402:800:63AC:BBD7:CCBA:FEB9:370B:FA2F (talk) 14:59, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

15:39, 20 December 2023 review of submission by Nabil vega
Hi I have just finished edits for this article and wondering if there are any changes that folks would suggest to make it stronger for publication. I think it should be able to pass the notability threshold( full articles in NYT, New Yorker, Paris Review) I am just wondering about formatting and language. Nabil vega (talk) 15:39, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

15:52, 20 December 2023 review of submission by Samh100
Hello,

I have submitted an article where I have listed the conflict of interest where I am an employee of the company. Can someone help with where to list it? The article is still listed with all facts and a neutral standpoint. Samh100 (talk) 15:52, 20 December 2023 (UTC)


 * FYI to Help Desk participants: answered on the user's Talk Page.  Qcne  (talk)  16:44, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

17:10, 20 December 2023 review of submission by DavidinVentura
Hello: I tried to include a photo for this posting but it was not accepted (even though I took the photo!). So I have another to try to submit but can't find the right button to do so. Can you please help? Thanks, David DavidinVentura (talk) 17:10, 20 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Hello, your submission has been declined and the reasons/suggestions are provided in the grey box within the template. Also, please note that you cannot use non-free images in drafts. – DreamRimmer (talk) 17:31, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

17:28, 20 December 2023 review of submission by 65.18.48.75
What sources should I use for my article? 65.18.48.75 (talk) 17:28, 20 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Hello there, I'm sorry to say that your submission was rejected and unfortunately, you won't be able to submit it again for review. Nevertheless, you do have the option to directly message the reviewer who rejected it. They might offer you more details and suggestions regarding your submission. – DreamRimmer (talk) 17:39, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

17:36, 20 December 2023 review of submission by DavidinVentura
Hello: I am trying to create a page for Ivor Davis, a man who I have employed during my publishing career. He is an accomplished journalist, having toured with the Beatles in 1964, covered the trial of the Manson 'Family' murders, witness and reported the Bobby Kennedy assassination in 1964, interviewed dozens of celebrities (ie Robert Redford, Rock Hudson, Doris Day, Elizabeth Taylor, Richard Burton, Malcolm McDowell to name a few) over four decades and written a number of books now in general circulation.

My posting on Wiki was rejected because there are not enough Sources linking to what other have said about him yet, there are several that I submitted and examples of him and his work throughout the internet. What can I do to help this move forward?

Davis is now 85 years old and I think deserves to have a posting on Wikipedia.

Thank you for any feedback that might help. David Comden DavidinVentura (talk) 17:36, 20 December 2023 (UTC)


 * @DavidinVentura, start by checking WP:JOURNALIST to see if your subject fits any of the guidelines there. If not, try the WP:GNG. If you find reliable sources that boost your subject's notability, add them and send it for review again. If not, we might not be able to help. Also, remember to disclose any conflicts of interest if you are connected to the subject. – DreamRimmer (talk) 17:58, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the reply DreamRimmer. I have added nine more links to interviews/article about Ivor Davis to my submission.
 * Davis is a well know expert on the Beatles, and the Manson murder trial and speaks about these events around the world up to the present.
 * There are only a handful of living journalists who have interviewed as many A list celebrities as he has done.
 * I am a retired publisher pursuing this by myself as I believe Davis to be of valuable note for these reasons.
 * thanks, David Comden DavidinVentura (talk) 21:24, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
 * A Wikipedia article is not a way to honor or memorialize someone- our interest is in summarizing independent sources. There are, in fact, good reasons to not want an article about one's self.(from Davis' point of view) 331dot (talk) 18:17, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Courtesy link Draft:Ivor Davis. Theroadislong (talk) 18:26, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

17:51, 20 December 2023 review of submission by 65.18.48.75
How can I make the article bigger so it can be confirmed? 65.18.48.75 (talk) 17:51, 20 December 2023 (UTC)


 * If this happens to be your first article, it might be helpful to read Help:Your first article. – DreamRimmer (talk) 18:09, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you DreamRImmer 65.18.49.159 (talk) 18:58, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

18:36, 20 December 2023 review of submission by Gaming gamer 9001
I understand, but what sources in particular were unreliable? For example, I used a variety of Bandcamp/YouTube URLs as sources, which are either directly made by Tally Hall or are recordings of Tally Hall concerts/work. Are these the problem, or other sources? Gaming gamer 9001 (talk) 18:36, 20 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi @Gaming gamer 9001. Those sources are precisely the problem: in order to prove notability under WP:NSONG the sources must be independent of Tally Hall. i.e., not connected in any way with them. Youtube and Bandcamp sources that are directly made or recordings of Tally Hall's work is the opposite of what we need.  Qcne  (talk)  20:15, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Ahh, I see. I will do my best to fix that. Gaming gamer 9001 (talk) 20:18, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

19:04, 20 December 2023 review of submission by Merv Mat
How do you make it a standalone article? Merv Mat (talk) 19:04, 20 December 2023 (UTC)


 * @Merv Mat you cannot, as it has been rejected.  Qcne  (talk)  20:14, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

20:02, 20 December 2023 review of submission by Samh100
Hello!

I had just made corrections and I am trying to understand why this wasn't accepted. Can I have help?

Best, Sam Samh100 (talk) 20:02, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Have you actually read what you have written? You clearly work in the marketing department. Draft is stuffed with ridiculous promotional trumpery “has been met with overwhelming success” “company is rapidly growing with a bright future and is committed to providing players with the best possible basketball training experience.” “has been consistently praised for its innovative technology” “quickly gained attention from the basketball community” “a revolutionary smart basketball hoop “ “exceptional sound system (40W speakers) adds an enhanced entertainment experience”. Theroadislong (talk) 20:08, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your edits. The issue is more that this piece can't have words like best exceptional and should just really be straight to the point. Is that accurate? Samh100 (talk) 20:17, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi @Samh100. I'm kinda frustrated that after all the examples I gave you on your Talk Page earlier you re-submitted with barely any improvement.
 * Maybe you need to get someone else to write this, as if you genuinely cannot see the problems this draft has you are perhaps too close to the product in order to see clearly.  Qcne  (talk)  20:12, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I apologize as some of the edits I removed did not go out. Your edits were very helpful earlier. Samh100 (talk) 20:18, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I'll give the benefit of the doubt you had issues publishing the edits. But please please please before submitting again go have a read of WP:NPOV. This is a fundamental pillar of Wikipedia and your article will never be accepted unless you fully understand this policy.  Qcne  (talk)  20:21, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
 * @Samh100 Wikipedia does not care what those involved say or want to say about themselves/company/product so my best advise is to ignore all interviews (do not use them as sources) or use anything that is attributed to those involved (like "according to", so-and-so says, or press releases, etc.). Only summarize what is truly independently stated by reputable mainstream sources (not podcasts, YouTube or poor sources like Startup Boston).  The draft should be about the product, not the company given its the only thing they do and the best sources are independent critical reviews by mainstream reputable publications (see WP:PRODUCTREV) which should contain pros and cons. S0091 (talk) 20:37, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I am making changes now. Samh100 (talk) 20:42, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
 * @Samh100 I also suggest reading WP:When your boss tells you to edit Wikipedia. S0091 (talk) 20:50, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

23:36:11, 20 December 2023 review of submission by Chamosuhdod
Hello, Can you review this draft? I created it with reliable Arab sources. Some other officials also pointed out some things, and I added them. I also reformulated the article again and added everything to it. Can you review it? Thank you. I apologize for the inconvenience Chamosuhdod (talk) 23:36, 20 December 2023 (UTC)


 * You have resubmitted the draft and it is pending. 331dot (talk) 23:50, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
 * It's been almost five days but there is no response. Some things were mentioned in the article and I added them. I hope there is good news Chamosuhdod (talk) 00:08, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
 * @Chamosuhdod as it states on the draft banner Review waiting, please be patient. Drafts are reviewed in no particular order, and you are relying on the kindness of volunteers to review drafts. It will get reviewed, this may take a number of weeks.  Qcne  (talk)  09:36, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I am waiting, but everyone tells me cannot review it because it contains sources in Arabic, knowing that there are several articles whose sources are all in Arabic, or they only have two sources and they were accepted. Chamosuhdod (talk) 11:36, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
 * @Chamosuhdod: who are these "everyone" who tells you that? This draft has been reviewed four times already, in the last as many days, so I would say that it has received plenty of attention, despite its sources being in Arabic.
 * In any case, what's the hurry? Wikipedia is not edited to a deadline. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 11:43, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your interest. Yes, it has been reviewed four times, but it did not contain enough sources and was not written in a good way, so they asked me to add some sources. I also reformulated the article again and changed the sources. There are articles that contain most of their sources in Arabic, for example Cheb (musician) I have full confidence in your review and I am sorry for this inconvenience Chamosuhdod (talk) 11:52, 21 December 2023 (UTC)