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= December 21 =

00:11, 21 December 2023 review of submission by EAmengual
This is my first time trying to post and I'm a little confused. Indeed, UIBVFED is the dataset that we announced in the publication available in https://doi.org/10.1371/journal.pone.0231266. I am the author of the work (together with my colleague Dr. Miquel Mascaro-Oliver, so I understand that we have the copyright. How can I prove that I am one of the authors of the article in which we make the dataset known to the research community? What should I do to be able to include a description of UIBVFED on Wikipedia? Thank you very much for your attention. Kind regards EAmengual (talk) 00:11, 21 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Proving your identity is not relevant. Please review conflict of interest as well as original research; Wikipedia is not the place to tell the world about your research. 331dot (talk) 00:23, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

00:50, 21 December 2023 review of submission by PARAKANYAA
Recently I got a draft I did not start into a mainspace page (Battle Organization of Russian Nationalists). When I went to make a redirect for an alternate title for this group once it was moved to mainspace, I realized another person had independently made a draft after the first one was made (Draft:Combat Organization of Russian Nationalists), that while not finished does have substantial material that the one I submitted does not (i was kind of rushing to submit this because another article I was interested in was connected to it, my bad, I don't usually do that).

Both translations are used by English language press to refer to this group (from what I can tell the Combat translation is slightly more common, but so is simply the acronym "BORN", which the Battle translation allows, there are a few other common translations as well), so that's not the issue, but I'm stuck on what to do given there are two pages on the same topic now. What should I do here? The draft hasn't been edited for a while but I don't know if the creator of it intends to get back to it. What would be common/recommended practice in this situation? PARAKANYAA (talk) 00:50, 21 December 2023 (UTC)


 * @PARAKANYAA: I don't think there's a problem here, the Battle draft was accepted and has already been patrolled, whereas the Combat draft was never even submitted for review. If it does get submitted, it will be declined on the basis that an article on this topic already exists (and I can also add a comment to it to that effect, in case the reviewer doesn't spot this due to the different titles). If there is information and/or sources in the unsubmitted draft which would benefit the existing article, you can selectively merge these into the latter, although make sure to adhere to the rules regarding attribution etc. per WP:CWW. HTH, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 11:53, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

02:03, 21 December 2023 review of submission by 159.83.248.42
I am unsure what needs to be changed or added to make this page accepted? Am I allowed to use her IMDb page for evidence? Does it have to be certain sources? 159.83.248.42 (talk) 02:03, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
 * IMDb is not a reliable source for use on Wikipedia, as explained at WP:IMDB. What is required are several references to reliable published sources that are entirely independent of Jabobowitz, that devote significant coverage to Jacobowitz. Your job is then to summarize what those referenced sources say about Jacobowitz. Certain sources? Well, they must be truly reliable, so that eliminates the vast majority of websites. Cullen328 (talk) 08:51, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

06:03, 21 December 2023 review of submission by Jasmine767
please help me to create this article completed, may be you will not get much enough but He is the notable poet and author , so please expand the article make it live Jasmine767 (talk) 06:03, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
 * , let me be honest with you. A draft filled with overtly promotional language will never be accepted on Wikipedia. Examples from your draft include and  and  and . And so on and so on. That material provides zero useful and factual information about this person, and the only purpose of those words is to lavish praise on him. That simply isn't allowed on Wikipedia, and the relevant policy is the Neutral point of view. Cullen328 (talk) 08:41, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

08:07, 21 December 2023 review of submission by Serrwinner
I came across this draft and looked up the guy and he is actually quite notable. The person who wrote the draft didn't site appropriate sources repeatedly hence why it got rejected. However after personally reviewing Mr. Habtoor through Google search he meets the criteria for a Wikipedia article. I think that the article shouldn't be rejected outright but instead reverted to declined so that future editors can add and make it better till it can get accepted. Serrwinner (talk) 08:07, 21 December 2023 (UTC)


 * @Serrwinner: in light of the evidence we've seen so far (or rather not) I beg to differ, but you're of course free to try to prove otherwise. In the meantime, the draft is rejected, and won't therefore be considered further for now.
 * BTW, how did you "come across" this draft? -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 08:19, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I was looking through Wikipedia drafts I can help improve moving country by country. I started looking in Middle East countries and through https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Draft-Class_United_Arab_Emirates_articles. Most articles there deserve being rejected/declined but this one was down to the guy making it not being aware about citing sources or having a COI. Can you also direct me where I can try to prove otherwise? Serrwinner (talk) 08:31, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
 * @Serrwinner: if there are sources which weren't previously considered and which you believe demonstrate notability, you're welcome to add them and then make your case directly to the reviewer who rejected the draft. (Do not attempt to resubmit the draft, as it will almost certainly not be accepted, given the earlier rejection.) -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 09:44, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

14:45, 21 December 2023 review of submission by Desmondkantwi
Hello, Please how do I write a references that will be acceptable Desmondkantwi (talk) 14:45, 21 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Before you do anything else, you must make the Terms of Use required paid editing disclosure, see WP:PAID. You shoukd also read conflict of interest.
 * Wikipedia is not a place for people to tell about their own businesses; Wikipedia articles about businesses summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage choose on their own to say about the business, showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of a notable business. The key there is "significant coverage", coverage which goes beyond merely documentation of the existence of the business and that goes into detail abiut what it sees as important/significant/influential about it, not what it sees as important about itself. 331dot (talk) 15:56, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

15:55, 21 December 2023 review of submission by BrandyStarr
Hi there, I have recently created a page for my father who was a well known musician from many years ago. I was denied, but I have added more resources and wanted to see what else I could do to help improve the chances of getting my page approved as an article. Thank you for your assistance. BrandyStarr (talk) 15:55, 21 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Please read Referencing for beginners so that you can write references other than bare URLs. Instead of sourcing the location of the newspaper archive, you should just reference the publication itself. 331dot (talk) 15:59, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

16:35, 21 December 2023 review of submission by 2606:2E00:8028:C000:0:0:0:857B
Can you put the page on Wikipedia later. 2606:2E00:8028:C000:0:0:0:857B (talk) 16:35, 21 December 2023 (UTC)


 * No, because the draft was rejected.  Qcne  (talk)  16:42, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Why was it reject it can you accept it some time in the future in is finished in 6 months. 2606:2E00:8028:C000:0:0:0:857B (talk) 16:51, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Did you bother to read the notices and feedback left on the draft page?  Qcne  (talk)  17:28, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

17:48, 21 December 2023 review of submission by Dallas2021
Hello! One of my drafts was rejected for SIGCOV and NPOV at once. I'd like more specific claims or just a second opinion (the reviewer spent less than 5 minutes for the large draft with dozens of sources). Dallas2021 (talk) 17:48, 21 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi @Dallas2021 sources 1 and 3 are not reliable which are used extensively: 1 is a commercial site offering products and services, and 3 is a blog. Source 2 is largely an interview though it does have some background information but it also a local news publication so leans weak for notability. Source 8 describes itself as a "the communication, advertising and press agency on the coast.", Creative Boom states "Catering to artists, designers, makers, illustrators, photograpers, filmmakers, and animators, we support creatives at every career stage, from education to employment, freelancing or team leadership." so not reliable sources nor is Vimeo. These are just the ones I looked at and did not look at all them because so many are poor.  Also, the draft is WP:CITEBOMBed.  Generally, only one source is needed to support a fact.  S0091 (talk) 19:25, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

19:50, 21 December 2023 review of submission by NuclearDesignEngineer
Out of curiosity, why has it taken about a week to get back to my draft? I know there are a handful before one, however it appears the number of articles on review prior to mine has increased since I last checked, is this typical? NuclearDesignEngineer (talk) 19:50, 21 December 2023 (UTC
 * , drafts are reviewed in no particular order, and vounteer reviewers select drafts based on their own areas of interest and knowledge. Plus, there are fewer editors active now because of the holidays. Your draft is not written in the style of an encyclopedia article. It reads like a list of bullet points instead of an article. I doubt the independence of your sources. Works by people creating and implementing a standard do not make a standard notable for inclusion in this encyclopedia. What is required are references to reliable sources completely independent of the creation and implementation of the standard, that devote significant coverage to the standard. Cullen328 (talk) 20:06, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the follow up, I hope my latest changes help correct here issue(s). NuclearDesignEngineer (talk) 05:21, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

20:08, 21 December 2023 review of submission by Belmontguy
I don't understand how my update applies to: Fails WP:ANYBIO - reliant entirely on primary sources which are not independent of the subject. Dan arndt I am new and trying my best to learn the ropes. Here is my latest revision using the 1925 biography and newspaper articles. Seems like reliable information? Belmontguy

John (Jack) Richard Harding, IV was born in Nashville, Tennessee June 2, 1896. His parents were John Richard Harding, III and Roberta Chase Harding. John Harding, IV was known as John Harding, Jr.

John paid his own way through the Webb Preparatory School, in Bell Buckle, Tennessee and Vanderbilt School of Engineering in Nashville. His education was disrupted from college when he volunteered for the Army Air Service in World War I. He rose from private to Sargent when it was discovered he was a mechanical genius. He was trained as an Air Service Master Signal Electrician and Airplane Mechanician working at the Dayton, Ohio air facility. A pilot discovered his abilities, and recruited him as a back-seat mechanic, which eventually led to his commission as a 2nd Lieutenant Army pilot.

Lt. John Harding was one of four Army Air Service officers that completed the first aerial circumnavigation world flight in 1924. Lt. Harding was the co-pilot of the Douglas World Cruiser: New Orleans. He and the other aviators were all awarded the Distinguished Service Medal, the French Legion of Honor and the Japanese Order of the Sacred Treasure for the first circumnavigation of the earth by air.

In 1925 John married Blondena H. Carstens of Davenport, Iowa.

Lt. Harding and The First World Flight author Lowell Thomas, subsequently proceeded on an international lecture tour about the world flight. The lecture series lasted two years.

John Harding went on to work as a service manager for Boeing Aircraft Company, for Pump Engineering Service Corporation, and founded Harding Devices Company in Dallas, Texas which manufactured aircraft components.

John Richard Harding, IV died at the age of 71 in La Jolla, California.

Belmontguy (talk) 20:08, 21 December 2023 (UTC)


 * @Belmontguy Most of the source you cite here are not used in the draft and at least some of the ones here are written by Harding so are primary sources (read that) and also not independent, which is the case for anything he wrote or said. Likewise first hand accounts written by others are primary sources.  Looking at the two sources used in the draft, both say Harding is the author and is likely what Dan arndt rightly assumed.  However, I think that is just a mistake on your part as neither source was actually written by Harding but even so The Contributor is essentially a blog with no professional editorial staff so not a reliable source.  The Nashville Banner, though, indicates possible notability but in-depth coverage by multiple secondary independent sources are needed and you also need at least one outside of the Nashville area.  I suggest trying Google Books. S0091 (talk) 20:45, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
 * @Belmontguy I also suggest posting a note at WT:WikiProject Military history to get some assistance. Harding might be able to meet Wikipedia's notability criteria but writing an article is can be quite difficult for a new editor.  It may take a couple weeks or so for someone to respond given we are upon the holidays but they are the experts.  S0091 (talk) 21:05, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
 * OK, thanks for the suggestion! Belmontguy (talk) 01:13, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
 * S0091 Thank you! I do have a variety of newspaper articles from all over the world. Thanks for clarifying everything. Belmontguy (talk) 13:17, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

20:31, 21 December 2023 review of submission by Thomas Dutchman
Need guidance on uploading images to article I created. I have permission from JCPenney Collection. DeGolyer Library, Southern Methodist University to use materials they have provided me specifically for use in creating a Wikipedia article. The images may be used with proper attribution. I have reviewed the Wikipedia instructions, but do not know how to answer questions regarding copywrite protection when uploading the images. Please advise. Thank you. Thomas Dutchman (talk) 20:31, 21 December 2023 (UTC)


 * This page is for asking questions related to the draft submission process, you are asking about an article you already created; the best forum for that is the more general Help desk. 331dot (talk) 00:13, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

23:07, 21 December 2023 review of submission by Weatherforyou
"Since you have made at least 10 edits over more than four days, you can now create articles yourself without posting a request. However, you may continue submitting work to Articles for creation if you prefer."

What does create articles yourself means? Does that mean I can publish articles without submitting it through Article Wizard for review? Weatherforyou (talk) 23:07, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
 * It means what it says, yes. But don't submit that biography: "Widely recognized for his expertise" is purely promotional writing, and I don't see a single reliable secondary source that actually discusses the person. Drmies (talk) 23:09, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

23:28, 21 December 2023 review of submission by IvanRamonTrillos
Quiero que creen está pagina porque es de una persona viva y es un YouTuber IvanRamonTrillos (talk) 23:28, 21 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Please read about notability, which is a fundamental, non-negotiable requirement for a Wikipedia article.
 * Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. ColinFine (talk) 11:59, 23 December 2023 (UTC)