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= December 22 =

00:59, 22 December 2023 review of submission by Neelesh Pandiyath
Respected Sir, Please refer the comment recived after declining the submission, Comment: Since the last time this draft was submitted for review, and declined because its references did not demonstrate notability, there has been just one reference added, and that one is published by an organisation of which Rabinarayan Acharya is the director. The fact that an organisation publishes information about its own director is no evidence of notability. JBW (talk) 20:39, 18 December 2023

Sir, Respected Sir, In your comment it has mentioned that that Rabinarayan Acharya is a director. He is not a Director. He is DIRECTOR GENERAL or DG in the Public Sector/Government sector. He is not a business man. And the publication is a Government of India Publication as CCRAS is an autonomous body of https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ministry_of_Ayush Ministry of AYUSH, Government of India. Apart from that, 6-7 reliable sources are also added which clearly justify that he is DIRECTOR GENERAL of CCRAS. Moreover a Director General is next to Cabinet Minister of Ministry of AYUSH, Government of India. It is also noticed that the article of Secretary of Ministry of AYUSH is in the main space of Wikipedia (Rajesh Kotecha ). If so how could the Director General( Director general) become irrelevant for a Wikipedia article. Sir, Request for consideration please Neelesh Pandiyath.

Neelesh Pandiyath (talk) 00:59, 22 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Nobody doubts that he is Director General of CCRAS. Your draft does not need to justify or prove that.
 * But Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources.
 * The draft needs to be a summary of reliable published materials wholly unconnected with Acharya, or CCRAS.
 * There should be no more than one or two citations to primary sources, restricted to verifying uncontroversial factual information about Acharya. The bulk of the article must be based solely on independent sources.
 * Perhaps there are enough independent sources in the draft to establish notability; but citation overkill is enough to discourage any reviewer from looking at the draft.
 * I urge you to look critically at every source in your list. Remove every one that is written, published, or commissioned by Acharya or CCRAS, or based on a press release or interview from them. Remove every one that has less than a couple of paragraphs about Acharya personally (material about CCRAS will not contribute to an article about Acharya, though it might to an article about CCRAS). Remove any reference that duplicates information already in another reference.
 * Then go through your draft and remove any information that does not now have a source. (Also remove the external link from the text - they are not allowed).
 * If what you have left is a reasonable article about Acharya, then resubmit it. If not, then you either need to find some sources, or to accept that he does not meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability and give up. ColinFine (talk) 12:20, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

10:16, 22 December 2023 review of submission by Nicolacarswell
Where is the edit button so i can edit my draft (I can only see the 'edit source' button? Nicolacarswell (talk) 10:16, 22 December 2023 (UTC)


 * It sounds as if you have disabled the visual editor. You should be able to reenable it in your preferences; or you can pick "edit source", and then you should see a pencil icon which will allow you to select "visual editor". ColinFine (talk) 12:22, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

10:25, 22 December 2023 review of submission by SMsrishtisingh
Please advice on how to make this page live. SMsrishtisingh (talk) 10:25, 22 December 2023 (UTC)


 * It can't be, it was blatant promotion and has now been deleted. 331dot (talk) 10:26, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

11:51, 22 December 2023 review of submission by Jay.Jarosz
Curios to learn why the draft isn't considered to be supported by reliable sources.

I'm new to this side of Wikipedia and read through the tutorial links and no issues stood out to me.

The citations used come from well-known and established brands such as GQ India, IGN India, mint, INK Talks, etc.

Zain is well-known in the board game community in India and the game he's created has received enough notoriety to have its own article (Shasn)

--Jay.Jarosz (talk) 11:51, 22 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Reference 1: not independent (probably by him or his team).
 * 2,3, 5, 6: not independent (quoting him directly)
 * 4: passing mention
 * 7,8: don't even mention him
 * 9 is behind a paywall, so I didn't look.
 * Find several sources that satisfy the golden rule, and you will both have established that he meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability, and have the material to write an article from. If you can't find them, then give up. ColinFine (talk) 12:31, 23 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you ColinFine. I'm still a bit confused about a couple things.
 * 1. INK is independent from Zain and his studio. They invite prominent entrepreneurs in India to give talks. So him being one of the speakers means they would have vetted him. They don't let just anyone go on INK.
 * 2,3,5,6. So if a quote is used from the subject it makes it not independent? For 2 for example, GQ India sent their people to Zain's studio. It has quotes from Zain but it also their own observations and reporting. And they wouldn't have sent people in-person in the first place if it wasn't a notable person no?
 * 4. Yeah this was just confirming he was part of ElseVR.
 * 7,8, 9. Yes these are just citations for awards of the game he created. Odd that 9 is behind a password now, it was public just a couple days ago. Maybe they are doing some maintenance. They don't sell any article subscriptions. Jay.Jarosz (talk) 02:51, 24 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello again, Jay.Jarosz. You're not understanding the special way we use "notable" in Wikipedia (I often think that it is an unfortunate choice of word, because it misleads so many people). It doesn't mean famous, or important, or popular, or influential, or any of the usual meanings of the word. It basically means "enough has been published on the subject to base an article on", bearing in mind that Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources.
 * So whether INK regards him as prominent is completely irrelevant: the point is that the citation you gave to INK is almost certainly his own words, and therefore cannot contribute to notability in the Wikipedia sense.
 * You're right that an article based on an interview can contain material of value for notability; but only where it is clear that the writer is writing about the subject from their own research, not simply repeating what has been told to them by the subject or the subject's associates. Kappal doesn't say much about Memon (the subject of the article).
 * What you need (in fact, what you needed before you ever wrote a word of this draft) is places where people unconnected with Memon or have written at some length about Memon with no input from him or his associates. If you can't find any, then he currently does not meet the criteria for notability. ColinFine (talk) 13:39, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

13:53, 22 December 2023 review of submission by Adrian Mare Romania
Hello,

I am trying to also add a photo of the writer to the article and I'm getting a message that the image doesn't respect Wiki's rules.

Long story short, the writer presented in the article is my mother's aunt (so I have any copyrights required for it), but the text in the article is a biography composed of multiple biographies other writers wrote about her ( therefore not a personal opinion ). I'm just handling the logistics part of getting the writer's biography published.

Please let me know what can be done about the images and if you have any other recommendations about the article at a first glance.

Thank you. Adrian Mare Romania (talk) 13:53, 22 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Your draft is not in English. If you intend to translate it, you should do that and get it accepted before worrying about images. Images are not relevant to the draft approval process. 331dot (talk) 14:10, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
 * As for the image, it would help to know what the message was; if you took the image yourself with the camera in your hand, you may upload it to Commons. 331dot (talk) 14:12, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I don't know about the requirements of the Romanian Wikipedia (each version of Wikipedia is a separate project, with separate rules). But I can tell you that your draft, even if translated into English, would be completely unacceptable to English Wikipedia. An article in en-wiki is a neutrally written summary of what reliable, independent sources say about the subject, nothing more. ColinFine (talk) 12:35, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

15:03, 22 December 2023 review of submission by Tom Nym
I am working of updating wikipedia with information about Rutherford County Tennessee. It occurred to me that the fastest growing county in Tennessee had a very limited information regarding who is in local government and how government works in Tennessee. According to information from Rutherford county ,over 22k people have relocated to the county in the last two years. I have never attempted anything like this before. I am retired and have some time on my hand now. I chose Rob Mitchell because of all of the elected officials, other than the mayor or the sheriff, he has the most published information. He was even considering a run for Tennessee governor in 2018 but declined to run.( probably because of money). My goal is to create an informative list for public use. Any help on this project is greatly appreciated. Tom Nym (talk) 15:03, 22 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi @Tom Nym. Unfortunately we have fairly strict guidelines for the inclusion of politicians, which you can find here WP:NPOLITICIAN. In essence, politicians are presumed notable if they hold legislative or national/state roles or there is significant coverage of the person in multiple, independent, reliable sources. Rob Mitchell doesn't meet the first criteria, and you haven't shown he meets the second criteria yet because your three sources are, in order, 1), 2) not independent of Rob 3) not significant coverage of Rob.
 * Hope that helps. Please don't be discouraged though! It is often a lot simpler to edit existing articles as there is a smaller barrier of entry. You may also be interested in WikiProject_Tennessee?  Qcne  (talk)  16:34, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for any help. I saw on Wikipedia that he was a potential candidate for governor in Tennessee back in 2018. Thats why I figured he might be easier to add since Wikipedia already a mention for him. He has been in the news in Tennessee as of late because he is pushing for legislation to remove the property tax for seniors in Tennessee.( of course that has made some folks mad at him) There seems to be quite a bit out there on him in more than just Rutherford County. He was even interviewed in the Washington Post. Anyway, I may abandon this project completely I thought I was starting this with someone easy. LOL
 * Here are some articles I found that I didn't include. Mostly because I am unsure how to do it very well: https://www.wgnsradio.com/article/82187/rob-mitchell-announces-nearly-500k-returned-to-rutherford-general-fund
 * https://www.wkrn.com/news/local-news/murfreesboro/property-tax-seniors-rutherford-county-murfeesboro/
 * https://www.dnj.com/story/news/2023/01/31/official-opposes-property-tax-exemptions-for-gender-affirming-care/69856523007/
 * https://www.murfreesborovoice.com/article/4064/bill-lee-swears-in-rutherford-property-assessor-rob-mitchell-to-new-term-after-re-election
 * https://news.yahoo.com/rutherford-county-assessor-shares-plans-222344932.html
 * https://rutherfordtnhistory.org/406-north-academy-homeowners-and-tax-abatement-program-recipients-finish-home-renovations/
 * https://www.bestplaces.net/news/alex-and-rob-talk-rutherford-county-tennessee
 * https://boropulse.com/2023/02/chess-can-help-with-planning-strategy-critical-thinking-focus-proponents-say-supporters-of-the-game-invited-to-feb-22-chess-lunch/
 * https://www.mtsu.edu/art/Community-Links.php
 * https://www.icij.org/investigations/pandora-papers/how-a-billion-dollar-housing-bet-upended-a-tennessee-neighborhood/
 * https://www.wbir.com/article/news/local/tennessee-distilleries-fighting-possible-whiskey-barrel-tax/51-525070811
 * https://mtsunews.com/murfree-gallery-opens-2013/
 * https://fox17.com/news/ferrier-files/ferrier-files-rutherford-county-to-surpass-hamilton-county-as-4th-largest-in-tennessee
 * https://www.advantax.com/video-gallery/
 * https://www.wgnsradio.com/article/37964/rutherford-county-property-assessor-rob-mitchell-not-running-for-governor
 * https://www.dnj.com/story/news/2019/12/29/tax-deal-smyrna-airport-business-park-sparks-debate/2757877001/
 * https://fox17.com/news/local/ferrier-files-murfreesboro-man-chooses-honor-over-politics
 * https://www.dnj.com/story/opinion/columnists/2023/03/22/chess-bringing-a-critical-thinking-curriculum-to-students/70033611007/
 * https://www.newschannel5.com/news/should-chess-be-an-official-sport-in-tennessee-schools-one-rutherford-county-man-makes-his-case
 * https://www.iaao.org/wcm/membership/Awards_Program/wcm/Membership_Content/Awards/2017_Award_Winners.aspx

Tom Nym (talk) 00:26, 23 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Which three of those are, in your opinion, the best candidates for reliably published articles, written and published wholly independently of Mitchell and his associates, and containing significant coverage of Mitchell personally? ColinFine (talk) 12:38, 23 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Sorry, It wasn't Mayor, it was Tennessee Governor that he was being considered as a candidate for Governor: https://mainstreetmediatn.com/articles/murfreesboropost/rob-mitchell-considers-run-for-governor/ Tom Nym (talk) 13:38, 24 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for any help. I saw on Wikipedia that he was a potential candidate for governor in Tennessee back in 2018. Thats why I figured he might be easier to add since Wikipedia already a mention for him. He has been in the news in Tennessee as of late because he is pushing for legislation to remove the property tax for seniors in Tennessee.( of course that has made some folks mad at him) Tom Nym (talk) 02:21, 24 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I suppose the ICIJ/Washington Post article might be one. There is an article I didn't list because Wikipedia already has it regarding; the 2018 candidates for Governor of Tennessee. the Murfreesboro Pulse article regarding the critical thinking and chess program is compelling. It isn't anything political but seems interesting. The being sworn into office seems unusual. I don't think that is something a Governor usually does, is it? I am really struggling here Colin. I appreciate you taking time to help with this. Tom Nym (talk) 02:27, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

15:26, 22 December 2023 review of submission by Trouver
I would appreciate feedback on the above article (living biography of composer & musicologist) which has been waiting for approval for over 10 days.Trouver (talk) Trouver (talk) 15:26, 22 December 2023 (UTC)


 * @Trouver please be patient. Articles are reviewed by volunteers in no particular order. It is not uncommon for there to be months in-between submission and review.  Qcne  (talk)  16:30, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
 * But while you're waiting, I suggest that you look through your list of references: I notice that 9 out of 24 are by Green: it's fair enough to list a selection of his works in a bibliography, but in order to justify mentioning them in the text, you really ought to be citing independent sources about them (eg reviews, or biographical articles about him that talk about them). ColinFine (talk) 12:45, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

16:26, 22 December 2023 review of submission by Sdfrink
This page I submitted for review was declined with the note "This page already exists at 'C19orf18'". These are different and no page for C19Orf81 exists. Sdfrink (talk) 16:26, 22 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi @Sdfrink. It looks like there is an existing page on this protein at C19orf18?  Qcne  (talk)  16:29, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi @Qcne. Yes, there is. However this is not C19orf18. This is C19orf81. Sdfrink (talk) 16:48, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Looks like both myself and @QuantumRealm misread it! I have re-submitted it for you and added a note.  Qcne  (talk)  16:51, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Great! Thank you for your help. Sdfrink (talk) 16:53, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

18:34, 22 December 2023 review of submission by 185.127.183.133
Please help me submit my first contribution. Thank you. 185.127.183.133 (talk) 18:34, 22 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Have you reviewed the information and comments left by reviewers? What specific help are you seeking? 331dot (talk) 18:40, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

18:52, 22 December 2023 review of submission by IVickyChoudhary
Regarding the improvement and approval. As the subject qualifies to be on the Wiki main space. iVickyChoudhary (talk) 18:52, 22 December 2023 (UTC)


 * The draft has been submitted and is awaiting review.  Qcne  (talk)  19:02, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Can you review it ? So I can make further improvments if needed. iVickyChoudhary (talk) 19:06, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
 * @IVickyChoudhary: you can make improvements while it is awaiting review. In any case, we don't review drafts on demand here at the help desk. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 19:09, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Ok thanks <3 iVickyChoudhary (talk) 19:11, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

Draft:Motspur Park Community Football Club
Hi. Seeking advice regarding the decline of this article.

One request was to remove Wikipedia citations. This makes sense and is sensible so I have done so.

The other request was to remove inline external links - I wasn’t sure what this meant and I could not find advice elsewhere. Please can someone advise?

Hopefully my latest round of edits have improved the article!

Thanks! Trembele (talk) 20:59, 22 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi @Trembele. The in-line external links means you shouldn't have links to external (non-Wikipedia) websites within the body of the text. External links should only be present in the External links section - guidance on this here: WP:EXTERNAL.
 * I can't see any external links in the body, though, so I am pinging in @Tagishsimon for clarification.  Qcne  (talk)  21:54, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot @Qcne! Trembele (talk) 22:00, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
 * While you're waiting for review, I suggest you read WP:REFB, and turn your bare URLs into properly formatted citations. A long list of bare URLs makes a draft unattractive to reviewers, because normal bibliographic information (title, publisher, date, author) makes it much quicker to evaluate the probably reliability of a source. And don't bother reformatting inherently unreliable sources like instagram: just remove them. ColinFine (talk) 12:50, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

21:16, 22 December 2023 review of submission by 78.56.232.129
I would like to get some assistance for my wikipedia page to get uploaded. My page is dedicated to a important figure: Matteo Mucciacia and i don’t understand the reason it’s not getting posted. 78.56.232.129 (talk) 21:16, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

I would be very happy to get some assistance on my wikipedia page to get uploaded. I was very disappointed that it got declined because I’m a very big fan of Matteo Mucciacia. I would be very grateful if my page would get uploaded. 78.56.232.129 (talk) 21:36, 22 December 2023 (UTC)


 * This draft wasn't declined, it was rejected outright, because there's not the slightest hint of evidence that the subject is notable, which is also why I've just rejected that this draft be speedily deleted. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 21:38, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

I would like to get some assistance for my wikipedia page to get uploaded. My page is dedicated to a important figure: Matteo Mucciacia and i don’t understand the reason it’s not getting posted. 78.56.232.129 (talk) 21:40, 22 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia is not a social media website and your draft is very obviously nonsense. Do not create drafts like this in future.  Qcne  (talk)  21:50, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

22:54, 22 December 2023 review of submission by 97.64.79.175
Question, the reviewer left a comment  Please remove all inline external links from body text; convert to citations where relevant. Is this referring to embedded links in the articles?

Last question,  This submission is not adequately supported by reliable sources. We cited articles where the organization was mentioned. Should we cite more of those articles and could we cite testimonials from individuals not directly involved in the organization?

Thank you 97.64.79.175 (talk) 22:54, 22 December 2023 (UTC)


 * I can't find any evidence that either Civic Caucus or Draft:Civic Caucus has ever existed, or any previous contributions from this IP. Please clarify the page you are asking about. ColinFine (talk) 12:54, 23 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Apologies about the late reply. I am new to Wikipedia so can I attach a link or screenshot?
 * Here is a direct link
 * Draft:The Civic Caucus Luka At The Civic Caucus (talk) 10:31, 28 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Please check the referencing tutorial at WP:INTREFVE. And for any links to other Wikipedia articles please use WP:WIKILINKS - we don't need the full URL.  Qcne  (talk)  10:59, 28 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you! For citing sources does the editor want citations from our website where the information was taken? We listed outside articles and have cited those. Just unsure if they would like additional outside citations Luka At The Civic Caucus (talk) 11:11, 28 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi @Luka At The Civic Caucus: you should have a mixture of primary and secondary sources, with the focus on secondary sources that are independent of the organisation. You can use your website for basic facts but we would much rather see statements backed up by those independent secondary sources.  Qcne  (talk)  12:14, 28 December 2023 (UTC)
 * (note, this thread has been archived from the help desk so will no longer appear on the help desk, but you can still reply here and I will get notified) @Luka At The Civic Caucus  Qcne  (talk)  12:14, 28 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Ok great thank you Luka At The Civic Caucus (talk) 12:17, 28 December 2023 (UTC)