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= December 3 =

05:18, 3 December 2023 review of submission by Haplo1990
I do not know how to implement the proper formatting or convert the references to the standard form. Any additional feedback on this article would be appreciated. Thank you. Haplo1990 (talk) 05:18, 3 December 2023 (UTC)


 * @Haplo1990 please start by reading WP:REFB and WP:CITE and come back to this thread with specific questions. 🇺🇦 Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 🇺🇦 08:33, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

07:45, 3 December 2023 review of submission by QuietSisyphus
I am having difficulty getting the article Draft:Eberhard Kirchberg to be accepted. It has been rejected for the reason that "The vast majority of citations are to primary sources". However, a majority of the references are to scientific papers and books discussing the papers and work of Kirchberg. Are these not secondary sources? Any clarification on what constitutes secondary sources or examples of ones I could use for a modern mathematician and his work would be appreciated. QuietSisyphus (talk) 07:45, 3 December 2023 (UTC)


 * @QuietSisyphus I think it would help to a great extent if you used Cite journal -WP:REFB and WP:CITE are your friends here - (with as many of the parameters as you have available filled in) for the papers. This gives a non specialist reviewer a better chance of verifying that the paper has been peer reviewed.
 * As I'm sure you know, a peer review is effectively a critique of not only their work but their approach to work, so qualifies as a reference. Arxiv.org is a deprecated source. Finding a reliable source for that paper would help immensely. Further help will be to find media coverage (not simply academic papers) that speak about him. Non-English language sources are perfectly fine.
 * I do not have the expertise to judge whether he is sufficiently notable to pass WP:NPROF. My gut instinct says he is, but any weight to can add to the scale pan will help the next reviewer.
 * By the way, the draft has been declined - pushed back to you for further work - not rejected, which would signify the end of the line. I'm not sure the prior reviews were as helpful as you might have wished. That happens sometimes, and ought not to. 🇺🇦 Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 🇺🇦 08:47, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

Draft:Shooting Star (spacecraft)
I am having difficulty getting the article Draft:Eberhard Kirchberg to be accepted. It has been rejected many times. can someone instruct me what is wrong in this draft. I have tried all the ways i know. So please tell what must me added or removed. I don't know how it looks as advertisement article when it's somewhat in parallel to Dream Chaser, the spacecraft page of this service module. Your opinions matter. 122.187.144.98 (talk) 08:56, 3 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Note that there is a difference in this process between "declined" and "rejected". Rejected would mean resubmission is not possible. Declined means it is possible. Have you read the advice left by reviewers? The main issue seems to be that most of the sources are not independent sources. 331dot (talk) 10:45, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Please give a Wikipedia page to know what is an independent source. 122.187.144.98 (talk) 15:40, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
 * A source which is independent of the topic is an independent source.
 * A source related to the subject is a primary source.
 * A source published by the subject is a self published source.
 * With regard to reliable sources, please see WP:RSP for w list which is not definitive, showing what his and is not reliable. 🇺🇦 Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 🇺🇦 15:44, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

11:04, 3 December 2023 review of submission by DEBASISHTANTI07
why the Wikipedia didn't accept my article DEBASISHTANTI07 (talk) 11:04, 3 December 2023 (UTC)


 * The reviewer left a message for you. Please read it and improve your draft. zoglophie •talk• 11:10, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

11:33, 3 December 2023 review of submission by Meganinja202
I need someone to help me to complete this page, I tried translate the most i could from the spanish wiki post about this sport channel, but it was not enough for the english standards for wiki

Any help is apreciated, thanks Meganinja202 (talk) 11:33, 3 December 2023 (UTC)


 * @Meganinja202 I think all it needs is additional references, no need for them to be in English, that meet our requirements.
 * We require references from significant coverage about the topic of the article, and independent of it, in multiple secondary sources which are WP:RS please. See WP:42. Please also see WP:PRIMARY which details the limited permitted usage of primary sources and WP:SELFPUB which has clear limitations on self published sources. Providing sufficient references, ideally one per fact referred to, that meet these tough criteria is likely to allow this article to remain. Lack of them or an inability to find them is likely to mean that the topic is not suitable for inclusion, certainly today.
 * I don't think it needs more words.
 * You can do this! 🇺🇦 Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 🇺🇦 15:49, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

13:08, 3 December 2023 review of submission by Flukspk14
Request failed I would like to use the wiki that I have made for a temporary period. Flukspk14 (talk) 13:08, 3 December 2023 (UTC)


 * @Flukspk14: sorry, I don't understand what you're asking (if anything). I also don't understand what you were trying to do with this draft (such as it was). Please elaborate? -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 14:22, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

16:11, 3 December 2023 review of submission by שלומית ליר
Hi there, I am a Wikipedia researcher from Israel and would like to know how to improve this article. Thank you שלומית ליר (talk) 16:11, 3 December 2023 (UTC)


 * שלומית ליר you should consider adding the content you have written into Nahal Oz attack, as that article is not that long yet. Sungodtemple (talk &#8226; contribs) 23:23, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
 * These are two different places and situations. One is a Kibbutz, and the second is a military post nearby.שלומית ליר (talk) 06:39, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

18:14, 3 December 2023 review of submission by Jeremiah97478
Hello there, recently my draft/submission for the starting pieces of a page dedicated for the neurodivergent was declined due to the possible result of understanding nothing of wikipedia and probably not having enough description for this. I understand this as I did this as a bare bones foundation for others to work on.

But I seem to probably not understand, I would like some advice then if it's possible? Thanks Jeremiah97478 (talk) 18:14, 3 December 2023 (UTC)


 * "I don't know what for references, I'm sorry :(" are you asking what references mean or the topic doesn't have any reference to cite in the draft? zoglophie •talk• 18:20, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

18:33, 3 December 2023 review of submission by Demeke Akalu
i Just wanted to create my own Wikipedia account kindly assist with the matter thank you Demeke Akalu (talk) 18:33, 3 December 2023 (UTC)


 * @Demeke Akalu: you have created your account, . Is there a problem? -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 19:56, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
 * DA created and submitted to AfC Sandbox content which was Rejected. David notMD (talk) 02:48, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

21:45, 3 December 2023 review of submission by MASHIACHNOW123
Hello, I attempted to publish a page on the Mansu Hill area of Pyongyang, DPRK but it was removed. Now it is a draft. I would like to fix this page so it can be published, but I do not know what changes to make. Would it be possible to just have others do it? MASHIACHNOW123 (talk) 21:45, 3 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi @MASHIACHNOW123 likely not as most drafts are dependent on those who create them. The draft does not cite any sources which begs the question from where did you get the information?  If it was from published reliable sources, then cite them (see also this guide for citing sources).  If from your own knowledge, then that is not usable here.  S0091 (talk) 21:50, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
 * All info is from Korean Wikipedia's article for Mansu Hill. There, no sources are given. MASHIACHNOW123 (talk) 22:06, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
 * MASHIACHNOW123, Korean Wikipedia is not a reliable source. Note that different language Wikipedias are completely separate projects and can have different standards on content. So even if an article exists in other languages, it may not be appropriate to have an article on the English Wikipedia.
 * If you want to continue with the draft, it is your responsibility to find appropriate reliable, secondary, and in-depth sources to meet the general notability guideline, or demonstrate that it meets the notability guideline specific to geographical features. You should also consider cleaning up the article on Korean Wikipedia as well. Happy editing! Sungodtemple (talk &#8226; contribs) 23:27, 3 December 2023 (UTC)