Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk/Archives/2023 December 5

= December 5 =

00:30, 5 December 2023 review of submission by Guigo82
Hi,

I've provided several links of the term being used in Brazil across the board, to show how it has become part of the soccer culture. I would like to understand why my submission is being denied if the theme is relevant and part of pop culture?

Cheers,

Guilherme Guigo82 (talk) 00:30, 5 December 2023 (UTC)


 * @Guigo82, KylieTastic wrote an explanation for you. Is there something you don't understand about that explanation? "Relevant and part of pop culture" isn't the issue. -- asilvering (talk) 01:48, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

00:30, 5 December 2023 review of submission by Adrain72
Look I'm just a newbie trying to create new articles. The editors or administrators shouldn't be so strict and mean as to reject my draft outright ! Theycould just accept the draft and let others who are more experienced than I am to improve on it ! Adrain72 (talk) 00:30, 5 December 2023 (UTC)


 * That's not how this process works. No one has been mean to you. The draft does not need to be complete, but it need to meet the bare minimum standards of notability. The draft does little more than document the existence of the business and is only sourced to its own website. It does not summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage choose to say about it, showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of a notable business. 331dot (talk) 01:14, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Could the draft article be reopened for resubmission then? Adrain72 (talk) 01:27, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Do you have three independent reliable sources that chose to write about this business and describe how it is a notable business? These should not be brief mentions, the company website, staff interviews, press releases, or announcements of activities. Are you associated with this business? 331dot (talk) 01:35, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
 * No, I'm not associated with the business but I have a free email account with them. Adrain72 (talk) 01:44, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Also do I need to request for the draft article to be reopened for resubmission?
 * If so, how is the process? Adrain72 (talk) 01:49, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

00:48, 5 December 2023 review of submission by Sirdvd12
This article was rejected for a second time. Someone else originally created this, and I took over as he had done a terrible job. We only included facts about the school with citations to the membership pages of the organizations. Furthermore, we are not sure how we could make the information more reliable.

Thank you Sirdvd12 (talk) 00:48, 5 December 2023 (UTC)


 * This draft just documents the existence of the school. Wikipedia articles must do more, they muat summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen to say about it and what makes it a notable organization. 331dot (talk) 01:10, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you @331dot for your time to explain. I am relatively new to editing and this is my first page submission. I will sit down again and add more notability to the article before we resubmit. Thanks for your effort. Sirdvd12 (talk) 03:31, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

04:38, 5 December 2023 review of submission by 202.165.235.85
Again Request the Wikipedia team 202.165.235.85 (talk) 04:38, 5 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Remember to log in when posting. You don't ask what help you are seeking, but the draft has been rejected after numerous declines, meaning that it will not be considered further- and it has been furthermore nominated for deletion. 331dot (talk) 09:31, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

06:50, 5 December 2023 review of submission by Devtanuku
my article was get Submission declined, need help to do best Devtanuku (talk) 06:50, 5 December 2023 (UTC)


 * What is your relationship with this person, since you took a picture of her and she posed for you?
 * It looks like you wrote the article text as references, you need to fix the reference formatting so that the article text appears in the main body. See Referencing for beginners to learn more about referencing.  You will also need to show that this actress meets the definition of a notable actress. 331dot (talk) 09:34, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

07:33, 5 December 2023 review of submission by 175.107.11.206
I want to write the whole article from strach following the wikipedia guidelines. Please guide me what to do now 175.107.11.206 (talk) 07:33, 5 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Remember to log in when posting(if you are the original creator of the draft). If you are, you seem particularly invested in this draft, do you have a connection to this subject?
 * The draft was rejected, meaning that it will not be considered further. This topic was also considered in a deletion discussion and deleted when it was in article space- you have a high bar to meet to overcome these things, and it seems unlikely that something has fundamentally changed in the last 24 hours enough to at least reverse the rejection.  Otherwise, it wouldn't have been rejected.  However, if something has fundamentally changed, like new sources not considered by the reviewer, the first step is to appeal to the last reviewer directly. 331dot (talk) 09:38, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

07:39, 5 December 2023 review of submission by Karchive23
This company is pretty well known in its home country (Singapore) but mostly through word of mouth and through reviews for its shows. However, because it is a company founded in 1990 there isn't a solid track record of the company that I can personally find to meet Wiki's notability guidelines. All I have been finding are reviews with one website that dates pretty far back and another is a Fandom site covering all the gay theatre shows in Singapore. It also doesn't help that they've changed their name but I could not find a reason behind it. Any advice or someone that could help would be great as I think this company does warrant an article, just that I'm not experienced enough to go about this. Thanks! Karchive23 (talk) 07:39, 5 December 2023 (UTC)


 * If you cannot find enough sources to summarize in an article and show notability as an organization, this organization does not merit an article at this time- no amount of editing can confer notability on a topic- it depends on the sources. Sources do not need to be online, but they do need to be somewhere that they can be verified, like a book in a library. Word of mouth is not acceptable.
 * Fandom is not an acceptable source as it is user-editable(like Wikipedia). 331dot (talk) 09:41, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

10:05, 5 December 2023 review of submission by Z4r4$m1th123
My submission has been declined. I have removed sources that are not independent and have now cited some more sources, which I believed is what was wrong with it previously. I have used news stories published about the company as my sources throughout - are these valid? Z4r4$m1th123 (talk) 10:05, 5 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Most of your sources seem to tell of the routine activities of the company; not significant coverage of the company that tells what makes it important/signficant/influential as a company- what we term the definition of a notable company.
 * You declared a conflict of interest with regards to this company, what is the general nature of it? 331dot (talk) 10:20, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

10:27, 5 December 2023 review of submission by Christopher W Gleason
Can i post this article under the creative section of wikipedia? if so how do I categorize this article? Christopher W Gleason (talk) 10:27, 5 December 2023 (UTC)


 * This draft is written in a promotional tone more like an essay and is completely unsourced. Wikipedia article writing is different from other forms of writing- an article must summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage choose on their own to say about the topic, showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of notability.
 * I'm not sure what you mean by the "creative section"; if you were to place this draft in the encyclopedia yourself, it would quickly be nominated for deletion, or at best moved back to draft space, so I would advise you against moving it. 331dot (talk) 10:34, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Laughably non neutral tone... once-majestic, steeped in the history, the robustness of, former glory, audacious teenagers have imprinted their presence, As the sun cast its warm glow on the Embrey Power Station, etc. etc. Theroadislong (talk) 10:46, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

13:15, 5 December 2023 review of submission by Dengulligahunden
Hey! I am a reporter at Swedens biggest channel. What could I do next time? Dengulligahunden (talk) 13:15, 5 December 2023 (UTC)


 * @Dengulligahunden Read HELP:YFA before starting to write, perhaps. Then find references. 🇺🇦 Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 🇺🇦 13:35, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
 * @Dengulligahunden it's clearly been written by ChatGPT. One would hope a reporter at "Sweden's biggest channel" would be able to write their own copy with relevant sources?  Qcne  (talk)  14:20, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

14:50, 5 December 2023 review of submission by Barkingbovine1
Hi, my article submission has been declined because it does not show significant coverage and it reads like an advertisement. A reviewer mentioned that Forbes lists are puffery, so I've removed that now, but I've linked several sources where Mardini has done interviews about himself and of course his role as CEO of Jetex. I've also tried to keep the tone neutral and factual. I also tried to compare my article to other similar Wiki bio pages to see how I can improve it in terms of style, format, so I checked the names under "Category:Saudi Arabian chief executives page" for example on how one is deemed notable by Wikipedia standards, and I believe the article has enough coverage for notability. Any help/ feedback would be appreciated regarding notability and neutral point of view. Barkingbovine1 (talk) 14:50, 5 December 2023 (UTC)


 * @Barkingbovine1 Interviews with the subject are primary sources. See WP:PRIMARY for what is and is not acceptable.
 * Unfortunately WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS shows that we have more poor articles than we have editors to police them. No precedent is ever set by any article for any other. If it were we would have a brutally fast descent into idiocracy
 * Your draft must stand or fail on its own merits. CEO is a "life role" but by no means is it a ticket to a Wikipedia article. Outside being a CEO something non WP:ROTM must be attributable to the subject. I was a CEO once, and there is no article on me, nor do I merit one. 🇺🇦 Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 🇺🇦 15:09, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

15:43, 5 December 2023 review of submission by Dmwiki27
Hi, how can I improve my article and get accepted? Dmwiki27 (talk) 15:43, 5 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Rejection means that there is nothing that you can do, as no amount of editing can confer notability on a topic. If something fundamentally changes about this topic, like new sources that the reviewer did not consider, the first step is to appeal to the last reviewer directly.
 * This is the only topic you have edited about. Do you work for this company? 331dot (talk) 15:46, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you! 57.135.129.34 (talk) 15:51, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Remember to log in when posting. 331dot (talk) 15:53, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

15:56, 5 December 2023 review of submission by Santanu Puzari
I would like to know why my page has not been publish in wikipedia. Santanu Puzari (talk) 15:56, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I fixed your post to provide a link to your draft. You have not submitted it for a review, I will shortly add the appropriate information so you can do so.
 * You will also need to discuss your connection to this person(since you took a picture of him and he posed for you). Please see WP:COI and WP:PAID. 331dot (talk) 16:01, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
 * @Santanu Puzari: presumably you mean ? The primary reason why that hasn't been accepted is that you haven't even submitted it. Having said which, if you were to submit it, it still wouldn't be accepted, as it's mostly unreferenced, promotional, and provides no evidence of notability. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 16:01, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Most local party officials do not meet the definition of a notable person. Do independent reliable sources state that he has been particularly influential in the party, either on its policies or the activities of the party? That's what we are looking for, not a mere description of him. 331dot (talk) 16:03, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I misunderstood; you seem to be writing about yourself. While not forbidden, this is highly discouraged, please read the autobiography policy.  Wikipedia is not a place for people to tell about themselves. 331dot (talk) 16:05, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
 * no i am not writing about myself.Its a person from BJP party in Assam Santanu Puzari (talk) 16:06, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Then you must change your username immediately- please go to Special:GlobalRenameRequest or WP:CHUS to make a username change request. You cannot use his name as your username unless you are him.  Please answer my inquiry regarding the photo, did you take the image? 331dot (talk) 16:08, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
 * No i did not take the photo he has send the photo through whatsapp Santanu Puzari (talk) 16:10, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
 * The photo may not be his to give you, typically the photographer holds the copyright of an image. If it is his to give you, and he included a release permitting reuse of the image for any purpose with attribution, you will need to follow the instructions at donating copyrighted materials.
 * Note that images are not relevant to the draft approval process, which only considers the text and sources. Images can wait until the draft is accepted- my advice is that you remove the image and deal with it later, so you can focus on the draft.  You will need to show significant coverage in independent reliable sources showing that he is a notable person.  Most local party officials are not, unless it can be shown that they are particularly influential. 331dot (talk) 16:15, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

17:01, 5 December 2023 review of submission by MikeTimesONE
Where can I ask to delete this draft? I just found out someone already made a page for the game, so I no longer want to work on it. MikeTimesONE 17:01, 5 December 2023 (UTC)


 * @MikeTimesONE You can request a speedy deletion under criteria G7 or if you feel like there is content that can be put into that article, you can merge content. Kline • talk to me! • contribs 18:10, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

17:05, 5 December 2023 review of submission by Danielromeroprobstmcswain
Hi, I am trying to understand what else can be done to this article in order for it to post? I have made the edits and added citations noted by the reviewer, but it has now been multiple days without a response and I don’t know how to move forward. Any help appreciated. Danielromeroprobstmcswain (talk) 17:05, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

17:12, 5 December 2023 review of submission by Clamar4409
I asked for a review of a submission article but the reviewer simply said he didn't believe my assertion, even while the citations (notable national newspapers in the country) made it clear. Do reviewers have limitations of multilingual posts? Should I take this into consideration when submitting an article that references information in Spanish? Clamar4409 (talk) 17:12, 5 December 2023 (UTC)


 * @Clamar4409: do you mean ? This draft was declined for lack of evident notability. On what basis are you challenging that? -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 17:54, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
 * @DoubleGrazing The citation makes clear that the individual is indeed the new president of the club. ie.  What the reviewer told me he didn't find believable.  The Other club presidents in the league all seem to be notable enough, shouldn't he be? Clamar4409 (talk) 17:58, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
 * @Clamar4409: being president of a country makes one inherently notable; being president of a club does not. The sources do not meet the WP:GNG standard for notability. Therefore the draft was correctly declined. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 18:00, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
 * OK. So if I edit to include additional and more valid sources and his additional business impact or the nation of Costa Rica, being that he is the owner and manger of the main transportation hubs for the entire contry, does that make him relevant enough?
 * I'm not trying to be snippy it is just frustrating as hell. Clamar4409 (talk) 18:06, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
 * @Clamar4409: without seeing whatever additional sources you're thinking of, I can't say whether they would be enough to establish notability (if that's what you mean by "relevant enough"), except to say that so far it is the sources which are letting down this draft. My advice is to carefully read and understand the WP:GNG guideline, so that you know exactly what we're looking for. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 18:28, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

17:49, 5 December 2023 review of submission by TerrionTavious
researching youtubers TerrionTavious (talk) 17:49, 5 December 2023 (UTC)


 * @TerrionTavious: that's not a question, and your draft isn't a viable article draft. What did you want to ask? -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 17:52, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

19:03, 5 December 2023 review of submission by Suctioncupman2024
why is this against the purpose of wiki Suctioncupman2024 (talk) 19:03, 5 December 2023 (UTC)


 * @Suctioncupman2024: I think you know already, but basically because Wikipedia is not for things made up one day. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 19:07, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

19:24, 5 December 2023 review of submission by Lsrgsrd
I got article translaton declined, because "Please cite your sources using footnotes." but what parts of article i have to source - could you explain? Lsrgsrd (talk) 19:24, 5 December 2023 (UTC)


 * @Lsrgsrd Do you mean ? The draft was declined due to a lack of inline citations in the article. For some help on this, see WP:MINREF and WP:ILC. Kline • talk to me! • contribs 21:56, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

20:31, 5 December 2023 review of submission by 185.75.226.96
So why someone does not add those info you guys ask about and use as a reason to refuse the submission?

You can make a simple Google search for "Karzan Kardozi" in English for for "کارزان کاردۆزی" in Kurdish to find dozens of references and verification that this is an actual person, a Kurdish filmmakers and writer that so should have its page here on Wiki. I don't understand why so many Kurdish filmmakers and writers are denied to have their page? Real people, while there are millions of pages of fictional characters from books, movies, comic books, etc.

Why are these people censored? Because they are Kurdish? 185.75.226.96 (talk) 20:31, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Accusations of racism aren't going to help you with this. Race has nothing to do with this. The draft was rejected after several declines because this subject lacks the coverage needed to merit an article.  That's it. Rejection means that it will not be considered further.  If something fundamentally changes about this topic, such as new sources the reviewer did not consider, the first step is to appeal to the last reviewer. 331dot (talk) 09:42, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

21:53, 5 December 2023 review of submission by Victor Giarola
Wikipedia make this draft to an article please Victor Giarola (talk) 21:53, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Zero chance, not notable. Theroadislong (talk) 22:00, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Don't beg or ask for your article to be approved, it is a waste of time for the editors to look at your post Jrmango (talk) 02:54, 6 December 2023 (UTC)