Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk/Archives/2023 December 6

= December 6 =

02:51, 6 December 2023 review of submission by Jrmango
Anybody have any notable sources for this one? Jrmango (talk) 02:51, 6 December 2023 (UTC)


 * It's rejected. The decision is final. Please let this go. — MaxnaCarta  ( 💬 • 📝 ) 03:36, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

05:19, 6 December 2023 review of submission by Udith Perera
I added information to this account Udith Perera (talk) 05:19, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

Is this information not enough? Help create this profile Udith Perera (talk) 05:33, 6 December 2023 (UTC)


 * We don't have profiles here, not a single one. Wikipedia has articles or in this case a draft article.  Your draft was deleted as blatant promotion. It was sourced to nothing but sources associated with the subject and used much promotional language(" An Excellent Radio and Television Announcer").  Please read some of the guidance left on your user talk page, as well as Your First Article
 * If you work for this person, the Terms of Use require that to be disclosed, please see WP:PAID. 331dot (talk) 09:39, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I do not receive any payment for this.  I am setting up this Wikipedia page as a tribute to that person's service. Udith Perera (talk) 10:13, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
 * We don't do "tributes". Our only interest is in summarizing what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about a person, showing how they meet the special Wikipedia definition of a notable person.  If you want to make a tribute for someone, that is precisely something social media or a personal website are for.
 * You didn't pick this person at random to edit about. How did you come to edit about them? 331dot (talk) 10:20, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

10:01, 6 December 2023 review of submission by Lowty.next up
why has my article have been rejected Lowty.next up (talk) 10:01, 6 December 2023 (UTC)


 * @Lowty.next up: because there is no evidence that you are notable by Wikipedia standards, and because Wikipedia is not a place to tell the world about yourself; you should try some social media or blogging platform instead. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 10:04, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

11:41, 6 December 2023 review of submission by JennaHTN
Hi I hope you're fine. I am contacting you because my submission is refused because there are apparently missing sources, to be honest I don't understand because there are 7 sources, including more than 4 articles generally in French since the subject comes from this country but also articles from other countries, such as Italy and the United Kingdom. I looked at the rules concerning the sources there is no link with the subject, these are sources whose subject is the center and there are several articles which are distributed in different countries, so I do not see why is it refused? An article is evolving, it may not be perfect but there are sources on the subject, we could publish by putting a banner asking to add sources so that other contributors who may have information can add. Otherwise any help and advice and welcome. Thanks JennaHTN (talk) 11:41, 6 December 2023 (UTC)


 * JennaHTN sources cannot be just anything; they must be reliable, independent, and in-depth. Read the comment that the reviewer left you. Sungodtemple (talk &#8226; contribs) 14:10, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello Sungodtemple, thank you for your reply. If I understand correctly, you need sources from bigger newspapers? Or is it something else? If you have any advice to give me, I'm listening. JennaHTN (talk) 15:58, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Your draft contains irrelevant fan cruft and is VERY poorly sourced, Soundcloud, YouTube, audiomack.com, ZephyrMusic and Instagram are not reliable independent sources. Theroadislong (talk) 16:26, 6 December 2023 (UTC)


 * I've edited a lot of music articles, so the first question I'll ask is - what national chart hits has this artist had? If the answer is "none", then Wikipedia should probably not have an article about them. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  17:01, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

16:33, 6 December 2023 review of submission by Bastianhilton
I'm reaching out with question as to why an article about a headless content management system is deleted and yet so many others such as Wordpress, Drupal, etc is still up and running? Bastianhilton (talk) 16:33, 6 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Please see other stuff exists. The existence of other articles has no bearing on your draft, which is a clear advertisement. An article about this system was previously deleted(Articles for deletion/Directus) so that reasoning will need to be overcome as well. 331dot (talk) 16:41, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

18:01, 6 December 2023 review of submission by 208.81.6.210
Hello there, I am looking for some pointers on how to better edit my article to have a neutral point of view. If any experienced editors have some specific feedback to give to help me improve my draft and make it more suitable for Wikipedia's main page area I would really appreciate it.

I understand too if this question is vague. I'll do my best to provide more specific things to give feedback on if necessary. 208.81.6.210 (talk) 18:01, 6 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Neutral point of view is not the only issue; you need to show that the company meets the special Wikipedia definition of a notable company. Merely describing its productions is insufficient, especially as none of them have English Wikipedia articles(but even if they did, it would be possible for a production to be notable but not the company producing it). 331dot (talk) 18:18, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

18:46, 6 December 2023 review of submission by Leherdzi
do all my references need to be independent from the subject because the syndrome i am writing about is so new all the information i found is from the research group that discovered it Leherdzi (talk) 18:46, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
 * That is a VERY strong indication that it maybe too soon for us to have an article. Theroadislong (talk) 18:51, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

19:42, 6 December 2023 review of submission by Jamesgrover247
I already added all the info which is required. I am not sure why the article is been declined. Jamesgrover247 (talk) 19:42, 6 December 2023 (UTC)


 * It was not only declined, it was rejected, meaning that it will not be considered further. The reviewer left the reason, "This topic is not sufficiently notable for inclusion in Wikipedia.". Your draft was completely unsourced and reads like a resume.  Please see Your First Article. 331dot (talk) 19:45, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Left 'm my User:deepfriedokra/del, but alas, already blocked. -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 21:11, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

20:51, 6 December 2023 review of submission by Gyphon
Page has been updated. How to resubmit? Gyphon (talk) 20:51, 6 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Rejection means that resubmission is not possible. Your draft is exclusively sourced to social media and its own website- an article must summarize independent reliable sources, not what a subject says about itself. 331dot (talk) 20:55, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

21:04, 6 December 2023 review of submission by DaringDonna
Hi. I recently submitted my draft for publishing, but I am not so surprised or disappointed that it was rejected. But I will tell you my problem. I started out just thinking that I would translate the Hebrew article into English, but then it turned into a HUGE project. I wonder if there is a way to get a few more editors involved, so creating an English version is not entirely my responsibility. I think it is clear that this important book by a Nobel Prize winner should have a page in English, but the work needed to get it to a decent state seems too much for me to do on my own. What do you suggest I do? Thanks so much. DaringDonna (talk) 21:04, 6 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi @DaringDonna It is largely up to the creator to provide sufficient sources, etc. to meet the notability criteria and there does not appear to be any active WikiProject about Jewish culture or history otherwise I would suggest seeking guidance at one of them. I think if you can significantly trim to the plot down to 750 words and focus more on what others said about the book that would go a long way and citing the book itself is not helpful.  He may be a Nobel Prize winner but that does not automatically make his all of his work notable.  Take a look at the notability guidelines for books.  Perhaps the draft meets the guideline but is buried (i.e. simplify, you only need to meet the guideline).   S0091 (talk) 21:33, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

21:21, 6 December 2023 review of submission by Sylvan1971
I have edited this article substantially since its rejection last May. Recently, an editor has, on my talk page (S0091 (talk) 21:38, 25 November 2023 (UTC)), validated the notability of this subject. What is the process for removing the STOP sign and moving this article forward? Thank you. Sylvan1971 (talk) 21:21, 6 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Typically, the first step is to appeal to the last reviewer directly. 331dot (talk) 21:43, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
 * This is now twice @Sylvan1971 has asked this same question here (see WT:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk) and have received the same response. Per a discussion on their talk page they state they do have a COI with at least one other article, There is a COI with respect to another article I am editing and I will address that separately. but they haven't. I am not interested in engaging with someone who states they will address a COI and fails to do so.  S0091 (talk) 21:58, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your reply. I asked for help again because, for the second consecutive time, you did not reply to my reply to you. Most recently, on 12/1, you asked me to confiirm no COI to the subject of DRAFT:BRUCE RYAN, which I confirmed. (By the way, I am not aware, when submitting articles, of a duty to affirm there is no COI .)
 * Each article must be evaluated on its own merit. As you noted, I have acknowledged a COI on another article I am working on and written that I will appropriately elaborate on it before resubmitting it.
 * The courtesy of a reply is appreciated. Thanks again. Sylvan1971 (talk) 23:35, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Sylvan1971 if you are absolutely sure of its notability you can move it directly into article space using the Tools -> Move button. It will then be reviewed by a new page reviewer. (Note that it can still be deleted via Articles for Deletion).
 * The other option is to resubmit; the first step is asking the declining reviewer. Sungodtemple (talk &#8226; contribs) 02:36, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Appreciate your response. Out of respect for the most recent reviewer (who agrees the subject is notable) I will continue to try to work with them before trying those options. Thank you. Sylvan1971 (talk) 16:10, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

22:47, 6 December 2023 review of submission by CarnivalSorts
Have received a warning that a different Liam McCarthy page already exists. Is there any way in the draft process I can change the title to e.g. Liam McCarthy (Irish cricketer)? CarnivalSorts (talk) 22:47, 6 December 2023 (UTC)


 * CarnivalSorts the article is currently in draft space, for articles that are in the process of being developed. If it is accepted via Articles for Creation, then it will be moved by the reviewer to "main" space, where articles are located. The reviewer will handle the page title for you. Sungodtemple (talk &#8226; contribs) 02:31, 7 December 2023 (UTC)