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= February 10 =

Request on 01:09:11, 10 February 2023 for assistance on AfC submission by Jerdwyer
Hello, thanks to Greenman you for the review of my Layser cave submission. I found additional sources, including a US forest services page which describes the cave as "one of the most significant archaeological sites in western Washington."

But information on the cave is scarce. The forest service page says barely more than that and all the other pages only repeat what is on the interpretive signs at the cave itself. Would that move it into the notable category?

After reading the notability requirements, I figured maybe it belonged as part of another article, so I added it to the list of notable places in the  entry.

Jerdwyer (talk) 01:09, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

04:21:16, 10 February 2023 review of submission by Qnique
Qnique (talk) 04:21, 10 February 2023 (UTC) all is ok but they decline the post said just give relible sources, i use most of references from govermets but .....they decline multiple time

12:09:13, 10 February 2023 review of submission by Stefani94
Please I would like to have an opinion if there is any chance to make this post happen. This is all the valid reference I got. Sir is a well known Australian filmmaker but not a lot of articles was written about him. I would strongly appreciate help or any pointers on how make this work, because I tried everything. Thank you Stefani94 (talk) 12:09, 10 February 2023 (UTC) Please if there is anyway that references can be accepted. I would need help with any possible solution for this 13:02, 10 February 2023 (UTC)Stefani94 (talk)
 * , Remove all material not supported by a source. You are ignoring the comments by reviewers which have told you that you have far too much information that show no citation and can not be verified. A short well-sourced article is far more likely to be accepted. Also, f you know the subject, see WP:COI about declaring relationships, WP:AUTO about why biographies can be bad, and WP:PAID if you are receiving compensation. Also check out this guide for further information on editing. Slywriter (talk) 14:16, 10 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Hey! Would you be kind enough and view my article Draft:Michael Nicholson one more time and give me a feedback if this is better! Thanks! Stefani94 (talk) 16:07, 10 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Please stop soliciting multiple offers to review your draft. That can take place on the article's talk, or your own, where it already is. If the rejection is removed, you can submit it again.
 * cc @JCMLuis @Timtrent @Theroadislong
 * Note, thank you for making appropriate paid disclosures @Stefani94. Star   Mississippi  18:33, 10 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Seems the invoice is not getting paid. Or, if the editor is employed, the employer has an unreasonable expectation. I have now been asked multiple times on my own talk page to re-review. It is not going to happen 🇺🇦 Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 🇺🇦 22:57, 10 February 2023 (UTC)
 * User is now blocked. --CNMall41 (talk) 23:57, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

13:33:13, 10 February 2023 review of submission by Razer2115
I came across this on NPP.I found that the article has failed an AFD more than 2 years back and was subsequently rejected as AFC. Digging deeper I found a lots of confusion regarding the subject and notability among the reviewing editors and administrator. I will try to clear the points


 * The Person was a somewhat famous police officer who joined BJP - Which is the current ruling party of India. The original article was created at that time and was subsequently deleted through AFD.
 * However since then, He has risen to be the state chief of tamil nadu for the BJP and has been receiving significant media coverage.
 * Now the confusing part - There is already an article named - K. Annamalai . Who is a former MLA of Tamil Nadu state assembly and since then has retried from public life.
 * The numerous attempts to hijack that article to this and the numerous attempts to create an article for this person is not due to some nefarious reason, but because he has been receiving significant media coverage for the last 2 years. If you will search K Annamalai on google, You will find thousands and thousands of news stories about this guy. I am sure readers are googling this guy, Landing up on K. Annamalai and trying to change it or creating new articles.
 * I mean, its absurd to me that the guy doesn't have a Wikipedia page, Anyone remotely following Indian politics will know that he passes WP:GNG and WP:NPOL . Its akin to GOP Chair for Texas state committee not having a wikipedia article.

Razer ( talk ) 13:33, 10 February 2023 (UTC)


 * Another Thing I forgot to mention is that the person is more commonly known as " K. Annamalai " and not Annamalai Kuppusamy. Googling K. Annamalai will fetch far more accurate results. Razer ( talk ) 13:40, 10 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Not every regional head of a political party merits a Wikipedia article. The head of the Maine Republican Party typically does not unless they already held elected office. It depends on the coverage in independent reliable sources. Most sources about such people describe their activities, or quotes from them articulating the positions of the party or endorsing candidates- all routine coverage that does not establish notability. Sources need to describe his significance or influence, either as a party head or as a police officer. Did he establish a new policy of some kind? Move his party in a particular direction due to his influence? Things like that. 331dot (talk) 13:44, 10 February 2023 (UTC)
 * The preferred term is "article", not "page", which has a broader meaning than article. 331dot (talk) 13:46, 10 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I mean the majority of the news article will be obviously be routine in nature due to him being in the public sphere. Tamil Nadu is one of the largest state in India and BJP is currently the largest party in India. Apart for the usual politics stuff. there are numerous another special coverages like - Him being the youngest state president ever - 1, In depth policy articles - 2 , him being the only BJP state president to invited for president dinner - 3 .  Razer ( talk ) 14:06, 10 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Apart from that, I am sure the head of Maine republican party is not subject to extensive media coverage where almost a dozen article is being written about him daily. Razer ( talk ) 14:11, 10 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Dozen articles written daily about them? Or daily passing mentions and policy quotes? There's a significant difference and such a hyperbolic statement implies that numerous in-depth sources discussing the subject exist, so please provide them as this should be a no-brainer then. Slywriter (talk) 14:19, 10 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I am not sure I fully understand what kind of coverage you are referring to but here are few links I could find from a cursory search ( Apart from the one mentioned above . - 1, 2, 3, 4 , 5 . Its also worth seeing the google trends for the term "K Annamalai" 6. I have compared it to the maine republican chief just as a reference point for the Non Indian editors and not to start a straw argument.  Razer ( talk ) 14:38, 10 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Even the term "K Annamalai Wikipedia" has a fairly high google trend score - 1 and may explain the persistent creation of articles for this topic. Razer ( talk ) 14:43, 10 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Some more in depth coverage - 1, 2, 3 Razer ( talk ) 15:08, 10 February 2023 (UTC)
 * That he was given a security detail isn't significant coverage of him. Nor is his having dinner with the Prime Minister. There is one piece which says he has attracted young people to the party because he is young, but that doesn't speak to any particular influence on his part(any young person might have done that). 331dot (talk) 09:50, 11 February 2023 (UTC)
 * WP:NPOL is clear - " The following are presumed to be notable: Major local political figures who have received significant press coverage. " . The subject is - A) A major local political figure by virtue of being the state president of the state of Tamil Nadu for BJP, which is currently the ruling party of India. and B) Has received significant media coverage as shown by various links and google trends. Am I reading WP:NPOL wrong or missing something ?   Razer ( talk ) 21:49, 14 February 2023 (UTC)
 * And before you dismiss the significant media coverage by selectively picking out my links - Here are the example of significant media coverage - 1, 2 , 3 , 4 5, 6  Razer ( talk ) 21:59, 14 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I feel like I'm going around in circles now; maybe some others will offer their views here. 331dot (talk) 23:08, 14 February 2023 (UTC)
 * The reference section of WP:NPOL clearly explain about significant media coverage as - "A politician who has received "significant press coverage" has been written about, in depth, independently in multiple news feature articles, by journalists".
 * I do not understand how you have come to your own version of significant media coverage for politicians. As I see here, The subject might not pass your version of notability criteria but it certainly passes WP:NPOL . Razer ( talk ) 23:22, 14 February 2023 (UTC)

Request on 13:35:52, 10 February 2023 for assistance on AfC submission by 182.54.155.36
182.54.155.36 (talk) 13:35, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

14:08:41, 10 February 2023 review of draft by LeGoldenBoots
Hello, I'm having trouble finding some other sources for this song draft and other things to write about that are associated with the song. But mainly sources, as most of the sources that are covered on this topic are 3rd party.

LeGoldenBoots (talk) 14:08, 10 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Most of the sources seem to just document the availability of the song, and are not significant coverage of it(like an unsolicited critical review). You write that it's known for being used in a video game, but have no sources documenting that. If you do not have independent sources with significant coverage, the song would not merit an article. 331dot (talk) 15:31, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

14:14:59, 10 February 2023 review of draft by 112.206.193.27
pls accept 1. creating page (disambiguation) 2. accept reviewer 112.206.193.27 (talk) 14:14, 10 February 2023 (UTC)


 * accept (disambiguation) page SM Mall 112.208.236.28 (talk) 02:51, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

16:07:47, 10 February 2023 review of draft by GMorris419
I need help understanding what needs to be updated on my submission (Sugar Valley Rural Charter School) before it can be submitted as an article. I'm not sure what specific criteria I'm not meeting.

GMorris419 (talk) 16:07, 10 February 2023 (UTC)
 * For instance, Wikipedia has zero interest in your mission statement, that is just promotion, articles should be based on what reliable independent sources say about your school. Theroadislong (talk) 18:32, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

16:43:07, 10 February 2023 review of draft by Yhyhyhyhy
Yhyhyhyhy (talk) 16:43, 10 February 2023 (UTC)