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= February 20 =

12:13:41, 20 February 2023 review of submission by Cfr1980
Our Company Sekkingstad AS is a 100 year old Seafood Company from Norway, now in the business of processing and distribution of salmon and trout. Our market is worldwide. We would like to establish our existence and history on Wikipedia, just like Lerøy has done: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ler%C3%B8y. Why are we denied the opportunity, and how can we do to be allowed to be on wikipedia in the same way as them, or for example Austevoll Seafood: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austevoll_Seafood ?

Cfr1980 (talk) 12:13, 20 February 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi @Cfr1980 please see WP:PAID as you need to declare your affiliation with the company. I will leave some additional information on your talk page.  As for the draft, thoroughly read WP:NCORP for the notability and sourcing requirements.  You have resubmitted the draft so another reviewer will take a look but it will likely be declined again as the sources do not meet the requirements. S0091 (talk) 15:55, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

12:41:32, 20 February 2023 review of submission by Rudolf.Fernandes
I've added a section, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minoxidil#Low_dose_oral_treatment. A user, Whywhenwhohow, removed it citing, "The information is based on a primary source and is not WP:MEDRS, WP:MEDMOS". I disagree with their assessment (while there is a primary source, there are other peer-reviewed sources as well).

I've tried reaching out to them to explain, point by point, why I think their assessment is incorrect but either my message did not reach or they've ignored it. So, as things stand, we just keep undoing each other's edits... which is ridiculous.

How do I establish one-on-one contact with Whywhenwhohow?

Rudolf.Fernandes (talk) 12:41, 20 February 2023 (UTC)


 * Whywhenwhohow started a conversation at Talk:Minoxidil, which is the right place for this discussion to happen. It looks like you have responded there, but not to WWWH's most recent post. --bonadea contributions talk 13:37, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Great, thanks. Rudolf.Fernandes (talk) 15:46, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

12:58:04, 20 February 2023 review of submission by Bindeshwari Devi
Bindeshwari Devi (talk) 12:58, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

How it will be approve, Should i add more references?

13:06:20, 20 February 2023 review of draft by Dankore23
Hi,

If I could get a little more detailed feedback on this article that would be great.

Thank you!

Dankore23 (talk) 13:06, 20 February 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi @Dankore23 IMDB is not a reliable source so should not be used. The other two sources are trivial coverage and most of the content is unsourced.  Please read through all the material linked in the decline notice.  S0091 (talk) 16:08, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

Request on 13:33:01, 20 February 2023 for assistance on AfC submission by Chomaniii
Dear Wikipedia Editors,

I am writing to appeal the rejection of my article for publication on Wikipedia. I understand that my article was rejected due to a lack of references, and I would like to inform you that I have since added a government reference to my article.

I believe that my article is very reliable, and all the references I have provided are also reliable. I have worked diligently to ensure that my article adheres to Wikipedia's guidelines, and I am confident that it meets the notability criteria.

I kindly request that you reconsider my article for publication on Wikipedia. I believe that it provides valuable and informative content for readers, and I am committed to working with other editors to improve and refine the article further.

Thank you for your consideration.

Sincerely, Muhammad Ali Chomani

Chomaniii (talk) 13:33, 20 February 2023 (UTC)


 * Your draft was only declined, not rejected. You have resubmitted it, so it will be reviewed. 331dot (talk) 13:57, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Your draft is just blatant advertising " gives a chance to the talented people and aid them to be the HITEX Future stars by showing their unique innovation and business ideas." How on earth is that neutral tone! Theroadislong (talk) 14:39, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

13:47:05, 20 February 2023 review of draft by Twinkle1990
Twinkle1990 (talk) 13:47, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

Twinkle1990 (talk) 13:47, 20 February 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi @Twinkle1990 you do not ask a question but the draft was deleted as it was deemed borderline vandalism. S0091 (talk) 16:10, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
 * What do you expect me to say? I have declined the draft, nominated for CSD, that's all. Twinkle1990 (talk) 04:53, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

15:16:53, 20 February 2023 review of draft by LordVoldemort728
I am LordVoldemort728. I am also an Articles for Creation Reviewer. @User:InterstellarGamer12321 declined Draft:Puttanna and wrote "The existing references do not indicate that the article is particularly notable. The article needs to be expanded significantly using reliable, independent sources with significant coverage of the subject." but he/she is 100% wrong. The article doesn't passes WP:GNG but passes WP:NPOL because he has been member and deputy chairperson of legislative bodies at sub national level.

​​​​​​​𝐋𝐨𝐫𝐝𝐕𝐨𝐥𝐝𝐞𝐦𝐨𝐫𝐭𝟕𝟐𝟖🧙‍♂️Let's Talk ! 15:16, 20 February 2023 (UTC)


 * The draft still needs to be expanded significantly before it is suitable for mainspace. If the subject passes WP:NPOL, then there should be several independent references with significant coverage on him that could be used to expand the article. Declining a draft is not permanent: just expand it and resubmit for review. InterstellarGamer12321 ( talk &#124;  contribs ) 15:46, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
 * @InterstellarGamer12321 NPOL doesn't say that for passing notability guidelines "there should be several independent references with significant coverage on him". It says that "Politicians and judges who have held international, national, or (for countries with federal or similar systems of government) state/province–wide office, or have been members of legislative bodies at those levels.". ​​​​​​​𝐋𝐨𝐫𝐝𝐕𝐨𝐥𝐝𝐞𝐦𝐨𝐫𝐭𝟕𝟐𝟖🧙‍♂️Let's Talk !  16:11, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
 * @InterstellarGamer12321 Because I am also a reviewer, I recommend you to do deep analysis about the draft and then accept or decline it. ​​​​​​​𝐋𝐨𝐫𝐝𝐕𝐨𝐥𝐝𝐞𝐦𝐨𝐫𝐭𝟕𝟐𝟖🧙‍♂️Let's Talk ! 16:13, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Two sentences is still not enough to make a proper article about a living person . You could easily use the existing sources to expand the article. This could be done in mainspace, so it is fine to resubmit. InterstellarGamer12321 ( talk &#124;  contribs ) 16:27, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Can @S0091, @331dot or @User:Theroadislong solve this problem? ​​​​​​​𝐋𝐨𝐫𝐝𝐕𝐨𝐥𝐝𝐞𝐦𝐨𝐫𝐭𝟕𝟐𝟖🧙‍♂️Let's Talk ! 16:28, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I am going to resubmit the draft and let another reviewer accept/decline it. We can then work from there. InterstellarGamer12321 ( talk &#124;  contribs ) 16:29, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
 * It's my draft so you have to right to resubmit it until you are a major contributor of the article. ​​​​​​​𝐋𝐨𝐫𝐝𝐕𝐨𝐥𝐝𝐞𝐦𝐨𝐫𝐭𝟕𝟐𝟖🧙‍♂️Let's Talk ! 16:30, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
 * @InterstellarGamer12321 Did you read and understand WikiProject Articles for creation/Reviewing instructions, Category:Wikipedia notability guidelines and Deletion policy before applying for becoming participant in AfC. ​​​​​​​𝐋𝐨𝐫𝐝𝐕𝐨𝐥𝐝𝐞𝐦𝐨𝐫𝐭𝟕𝟐𝟖🧙‍♂️Let's Talk ! 16:33, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Of course I read all of them as well as all of the other policies related to creating/deleting/reviewing articles. InterstellarGamer12321 ( talk &#124;  contribs ) 16:35, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Calm Down LordVoldemort, You are coming off as overly aggressive here. Also, Per WP:DRAFTCAT. - An article created in draftspace does not belong to the editor who created it, and any other user may edit, publish, redirect, merge or seek deletion of any draft . Razer ( talk ) 16:36, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Ok ​​​​​​​𝐋𝐨𝐫𝐝𝐕𝐨𝐥𝐝𝐞𝐦𝐨𝐫𝐭𝟕𝟐𝟖🧙‍♂️Let's Talk ! 16:37, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
 * @Razer2115 What is your comment about that draft? ​​​​​​​𝐋𝐨𝐫𝐝𝐕𝐨𝐥𝐝𝐞𝐦𝐨𝐫𝐭𝟕𝟐𝟖🧙‍♂️Let's Talk ! 16:38, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Since He was a elected member for the state assembly and also the deputy chair of the council. It does appear that it passes WP:NPOL Razer ( talk ) 16:41, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
 * @LordVoldemort728 you can move the draft to mainspace yourself as there is no requirement you go through AfC. S0091 (talk) 16:41, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I think that it is better to go through AfC. ​​​​​​​𝐋𝐨𝐫𝐝𝐕𝐨𝐥𝐝𝐞𝐦𝐨𝐫𝐭𝟕𝟐𝟖🧙‍♂️Let's Talk ! 16:42, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
 * By the way, Theroadislong has solved this dispute. ​​​​​​​𝐋𝐨𝐫𝐝𝐕𝐨𝐥𝐝𝐞𝐦𝐨𝐫𝐭𝟕𝟐𝟖🧙‍♂️Let's Talk ! 16:42, 20 February 2023 (UTC)


 * He's notable as a member of a subnational legislature, but there still needs to be something in the article beyond "he got the position". Some biographical information about him, just a little bit, would help immensely, I think. 331dot (talk) 16:44, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
 * The article is now in mainspace and the issue has been resolved. However, the article is still very short and has a stub template and a tag asking for more specific categories. InterstellarGamer12321 ( talk &#124;  contribs ) 17:11, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I have fixed that "specific category" problem. ​​​​​​​𝐋𝐨𝐫𝐝𝐕𝐨𝐥𝐝𝐞𝐦𝐨𝐫𝐭𝟕𝟐𝟖🧙‍♂️Let's Talk ! 03:57, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

19:10:09, 20 February 2023 review of submission by CedericV
Dear, I'm wondering why my submission is declined. It mentions that it's incomplete, but I don't understand why. Could someone please give some feedback? Thank you in advance! CedericV (talk) 19:10, 20 February 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi @CedericV, I agree. @Praseodymium-141 can you please provide a more detailed explanation. Simply stating "This article seems to be incomplete." is generally not a reason to decline a draft and is quite unhelpful.  S0091 (talk) 20:09, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you! CedericV (talk) 08:45, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

20:32:16, 20 February 2023 review of draft by Kikima
Hi, I need help with my first article. It is declined the first time through. I changed the references and sources and hoping I did it correct this time. I think it is pretty okay, but cannot make sure. I need an independent editor to look over and make necessary adjustments to make sure everything is good before submitting. Thank you!

Kikima (talk) 20:32, 20 February 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi @Kikima it is very unlikely other editors will make adjustments to the draft so it is largely on you to do so. I will say you need cite the sources appropriately using in-line citations, which is required for WP:BLPs and much of the content is unsourced so that needs to be rectified.  It is also unclear how she meets the the notability guidelines.  Also for it to be reviewed, you need to submit it.  Reviewers generally do not do "pre-reviews" given there are already over 2,500 submitted drafts pending review.  S0091 (talk) 20:44, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

Request on 22:52:22, 20 February 2023 for assistance on AfC submission by Miekfin
The article was declined due to a lack of secondary sources.

Vladimir Baranov and Scott Tanner are scientists, not public figures, so coverage of their academic achievements are not well documented by the general press.

For the Manning Award, the primary source was the Manning Website, and the secondary source The Globe and Mail Newspaper article that mentions both of them. Not great but I could not find any other source for this 2001 Award.

For the HUPO Award the primary source was the HUPO website, and the secondary source Bloomberg.com. Again, not great. But again, scientific achievements are not covered well by the press.

His inventions, the Dynamic Reaction Cell and Mass Cytometry have their own Wikipedia pages at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collision/reaction_cell and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_cytometry

I am at a dead end. I cannot find any other secondary sources and thus cannot get past the Wikipedia Notability test despite his work/inventions being cited/published on Wikipedia.

Do you have any recommendations that would get this article published?

Regards, Mike Finczak

Miekfin (talk) 22:52, 20 February 2023 (UTC)


 * @Miekfin take a look at the notability guidelines for academics. I think there may be an argument he meets that bar.  I suggest resubmitting with a note a draft's talk page (Draft talk:Vladimir Baranov) how he meets one of the criteria.  Be concise, though (i.e. he meets #8 because....).  S0091 (talk) 22:59, 20 February 2023 (UTC)