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= June 12 =

01:42, 12 June 2023 review of submission by MNelson81`
Hi Wiki, I'm working this article on behalf of Mr. Tseng from here in Taiwan. This has been quite a process. May I understand what kind of information or sources are required to have this page approved? This is not a promotional page or an advertisement. Mr. Tseng deserves to be recognized for his philanthropy and inspiration. Thanks for your support MNelson81` (talk) 01:42, 12 June 2023 (UTC)


 * @mnelson81`: you must declare your conflict of interest first. see here for how. lettherebedarklight晚安 03:35, 12 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia is not a form of recognition of someone's work or a way to honor them- our only interest here is in summarizing what independent reliable sources say about a topic. 331dot (talk) 08:40, 12 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello, . Your draft includes the following sentence Leaving aside the issue that  is complete baloney that has no place in an encyclopedia, the reference that follows that bold assertion discusses nothing about any nickname. References need to verify the assertions that proceed them. Random references linked to random assertions are of no value, and only irritate the reviewers. Please do a complete rewrite of your draft to ensure that it complies with Wikipedia's Policies and guidelines. Cullen328 (talk) 09:02, 12 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Understand. We will edit and stick to non-biased shows and exhibitions. Most of this was translated from Mandarin and that version has also recently been revised. Appreciate the feedback MNelson81` (talk) 12:55, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

08:20, 12 June 2023 review of submission by 81.100.246.58
Which of the references on the article do not meet Wikipedia's standards?

Thank you. 81.100.246.58 (talk) 08:20, 12 June 2023 (UTC)


 * None of them. An article about a company must summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about a company, showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of a notable company. We don't want mere documentation that the company exists, or a summary of its routine business activities/interviews/brief mentions.  We want sources that, on their own, write about what makes this company important/significant/influential as they see it, not as the company itself sees it. 331dot (talk) 08:39, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

08:32, 12 June 2023 review of submission by Johnmatt1
My Submission got declined because the submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject.

I would need someone's assistance to learn better. Johnmatt1 (talk) 08:32, 12 June 2023 (UTC)


 * What is it that you would like assistance with? We can't find sources for you.  If there are no more sources available, this person would not merit an article at this time, and no amount of editing can change that. 331dot (talk) 08:37, 12 June 2023 (UTC)
 * There are more sources available, but i just linked 5 references on the article.
 * Will share the sources below:
 * https://www.zeebiz.com/economy-infra/news-urbanisation-giving-rise-to-next-generation-infrastructure-development-225181
 * https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/blogs/voices/how-urbanization-has-changed-the-face-of-real-estate/
 * https://www.financialexpress.com/money/real-estate-will-be-an-appealing-investment-opportunity-in-fy23-atul-goel/2922084/
 * https://firstindia.co.in/news/bollywood/goel-ganga-groups-founder-chairman-mr-jaiprakash-goel-receives-lifetime-achievement-award-at-construction-times-6th-bam-awards
 * https://www.zeebiz.com/personal-finance/news-planning-to-buy-your-dream-home-four-key-things-to-consider-before-investing-in-a-luxury-property-202249
 * https://www.aninews.in/news/business/business/would-you-like-to-know-real-estate-beyond-concrete-and-sq-inch-atul-goel-launched-his-first-book-the-real-rich20220720122139
 * https://www.aninews.in/news/business/business/punes-leading-real-estate-company-goel-ganga-group-pledges-support-to-sadhgurus-save-soil-movement20220618205025
 * https://www.thehansindia.com/business/4-reasons-why-2022-23-will-be-the-best-for-first-time-homebuyers-733531
 * https://www.constructionweekonline.in/people/year-2022-will-bring-great-opportunities-for-indian-real-estate
 * https://theprint.in/ani-press-releases/punes-goel-ganga-group-md-wins-prestigious-awards/769230/
 * https://www.thehitavada.com/Encyc/2021/11/12/Goel-Ganga-Group-wins-two-awards-in-Business-Leadership-Awards.html
 * https://www.thehitavada.com/Encyc/2021/9/14/Glocal-Mall-s-WTC-status-paves-way-for-top-brands.html
 * 331dot Could you please help me to sort the Draft article. Johnmatt1 (talk) 08:44, 12 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Please narrow the list down to the top three. Generally only three are needed to pass this process.  331dot (talk) 08:47, 12 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Sure, the top three sources are:
 * https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/blogs/voices/how-urbanization-has-changed-the-face-of-real-estate/
 * https://www.punekarnews.in/pune-man-attempts-to-extort-rs-20-lakh-from-builder-atul-goel-using-deputy-cm-ajit-pawars-name-six-persons-arrested/
 * https://www.aninews.in/news/business/business/would-you-like-to-know-real-estate-beyond-concrete-and-sq-inch-atul-goel-launched-his-first-book-the-real-rich20220720122139 Johnmatt1 (talk) 08:58, 12 June 2023 (UTC)
 * 331dot Could me please help me to align the content so that i can put it for review again. Johnmatt1 (talk) 09:54, 12 June 2023 (UTC)
 * It will be a bit before I can review the sources(please remove those other than the top three) but we are not here to be co authors. If you want to submit the draft, you need to do the work. I'm not sure what "align the content means". 331dot (talk) 09:57, 12 June 2023 (UTC)
 * A blog post by the article's subject clearly isn't a reliable independent source! Theroadislong (talk) 10:05, 12 June 2023 (UTC)
 * https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/blogs/voices/how-urbanization-has-changed-the-face-of-real-estate/
 * This is the biggest news portal in India. Johnmatt1 (talk) 10:34, 12 June 2023 (UTC)
 * that doesn't change the fact that it's written by the subject! lettherebedarklight晚安 10:38, 12 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Oh understood.
 * Thank you. Johnmatt1 (talk) 10:39, 12 June 2023 (UTC)
 * @Johnmatt1: the Punekar News article doesn't provide significant coverage of Goel, only says he was the target of an attempted crime. The ANI/PNN one is just a promo piece related to his book launch. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 11:30, 12 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Yes, based on this I don't think this man merits an article at this time. 331dot (talk) 12:53, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

12:14, 12 June 2023 review of submission by Mcbit3972
What can I do to make this better to get through submission? I want to make an English version to link to the Italian (https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_Network_of_Medical_Excellence). particularly with the articles in Conde Nast, Telegraph, and Guardian - what more is needed to prove sufficient coverage? Mcbit3972 (talk) 12:14, 12 June 2023 (UTC)


 * @Mcbit3972: it isn't enough to cite reliable secondary sources like The Guardian, those sources must also provide significant coverage of the subject. I've just checked a few of the sources, and they either don't mention the African Network of Medical Excellence at all, or only very briefly in passing. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 12:19, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

13:45, 12 June 2023 review of submission by Hedi sheikani
i wanted to make it more clear about my names Hedi sheikani (talk) 13:45, 12 June 2023 (UTC)


 * @hedi sheikani: this is against the purpose of wikipedia. lettherebedarklight晚安 13:49, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

14:57, 12 June 2023 review of submission by 97.126.42.131
Can we get specific information about what issues need independent verification? It seemed to us we were just stating facts about the press's existence and list of publications. 97.126.42.131 (talk) 14:57, 12 June 2023 (UTC)
 * First, you must disclose your relationship with this company, please read WP:COI and WP:PAID. This is easier to do with an account, but even if you decline to create an account, you must disclose.
 * Wikipedia article are not merely for stating facts. A Wikipedia article about a company must do more, it must summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about the company, showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of a notable company. This cannot be routine coverage of business activities, brief mentions, interviews, press releases and the like. Please see Your First Article. You have chosen to undertake the most difficult task to perform on Wikipedia, and it's even harder with a conflict of interest. 331dot (talk) 15:50, 12 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Your draft lacks references to significant coverage of the press in reliable sources that are entirely independent of the press and its affiliated organizations. "Existence" is not enough. Please see Notability (organizations and companies). Cullen328 (talk) 15:52, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

17:43, 12 June 2023 review of submission by Fitness forward
My draft was rejected with the reason that is not objective enough. Do you have any recommendations on the copy on making it more objective and getting it approved? Fitness forward (talk) 17:43, 12 June 2023 (UTC)


 * @Fitness forward: it wasn't rejected (which would mean you cannot resubmit), only declined (which means you can, once you've addressed the reason(s) for decline). You need to write in a neutral, factual language, as it currently reads like something out of the company's marketing department: eg. phrases like "provide more customers with the perfect mortgage to make their homeownership dreams possible and affordable" are completely inappropriate for an encyclopaedia. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 17:50, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

17:49, 12 June 2023 review of submission by Engineertareq
Added the references and update authentic information Engineertareq (talk) 17:49, 12 June 2023 (UTC)


 * The draft was rejected, meaning that it will not be considered further. 331dot (talk) 20:40, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

20:27, 12 June 2023 review of submission by Hector Asetelle
This submission is about an international award for mathematicians awarded by a university.

Q1: The submission has been declined due to lack of references: arguably, it only had one, namely the webpage of the award on the university's website. I can only find those kind of additional references:
 * Mention on recipient's webpage (eg http://maths.mq.edu.au/~street/)
 * News on recipient's university website (eg https://www.nccr-swissmap.ch/news-and-events/news/chaire-de-la-vallee-poussin-2019-lectures-anton-alekseev)
 * Mention on recipient's Wikipedia page (eg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernard_Dacorogna)

Would that be enough referencing? Arguably this doesn't look like a lot of qualitative references, but on the other hand it seems to me that an international award, with most recipients already with a Wikipedia page, should also have a Wikipedia page.

Q2: In case Q1 is answered negatively, would it be acceptable to merge this page with the page on Charles_Jean_de_la_Vallée_Poussin, after whom the award is named?

Thank you in advance for your time. Hector Asetelle (talk) 20:27, 12 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Hector Asetelle the sources you have named are all non-independent, or in the case of the Wikipedia article, unreliable. So there is no chance of notability with these sources. For your second question, maybe a one-liner would be appropriate. Sungodtemple (talk &#8226; contribs) 12:31, 13 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your answer. I will try to find better sources, and else go for the one-liner. Hector Asetelle (talk) 14:13, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

22:36, 12 June 2023 review of submission by 정미숙1
I added the source of an interview with a famous magazine in Korea for the person on this page. Help me to re-discuss, edit, review, and register. 정미숙1 (talk) 22:36, 12 June 2023 (UTC)


 * @정미숙1: this draft has been rejected and won't be considered further. In any case, an interview would not contribute towards notability. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 05:39, 13 June 2023 (UTC)