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= June 15 =

04:49, 15 June 2023 review of submission by Wigitiwigidiwak
Rejected on the basis of: "Wikipedia and wordpress are not reliable sources" and suggests that it "should refer to a range of independent, reliable, published sources"

The submission has >12 pubmed.gov published medical references, a copy of published PDF references, websites for national organizations which are all used to support the individual's membership status of said organizations...

The majority of the data included was collected from a published "Memorium" published in a medical journal, and presented at a meeting of the Mexican Academy of Surgery (reference included, as well as the cover of the PDF).

While some of the references indeed are from webpages created on "wordpress", they are official pages of the societies, schools or hospitals which support the items cited (where he went to school, he was a member of a society or there is a school named after his father).

There are no "social" websites included for supporting this biographical submission.

Additional images of newspaper clippings and such will be added, but this submission is not based on "unreliable" sources for any of the statements reported.

I believe that the editor did not see the vast range of supporting documents/cites for this submission, ony what program some of the websites were made with. Wigitiwigidiwak (talk) 04:49, 15 June 2023 (UTC)


 * @Wigitiwigidiwak Hello, I was the editor that declined your submission. Do you have any evidence that ancestrocastenera is a reliable source? It doesn't seem to be related to any academic or reliable organizations.
 * Secondly, most of the sources are affiliated with Guillermo Escobar Aldasoro. The submission having >12 pubmed.gov citations doesn't matter if they are written by the subject himself. Sources need to be independent and have significant coverage to establish notability. Carpimaps talk to me! 13:48, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

05:04, 15 June 2023 review of submission by Traptibook
Need help in improving my edit with professional/experienced help. Traptibook (talk) 05:04, 15 June 2023 (UTC)


 * What specific help are you looking for? I would ask how you obtained what appears to be a professionally taken image of Chauhan. 331dot (talk) 14:34, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

05:08, 15 June 2023 review of submission by Nareshkv77
I have provided enough content and citations, why the draft is declined? Nareshkv77 (talk) 05:08, 15 June 2023 (UTC)


 * @Nareshkv77: this draft was rejected (not merely declined) for the reasons given in the rejection notice and the accompanying comments; please read them, and come back if you still have questions. Although even then, please note that this draft will not be considered further. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 08:57, 15 June 2023 (UTC)
 * can you give me an example, how should i write below paragraph?
 * Rajinikanth Vellalacheruvu is an Telugu Journalist who works in Tv9 Telugu as Managing Editor . He hosts Prime time debates in the channel which are Prime Time show", "Big News Big Debate", "Cross Fire". Nareshkv77 (talk) 10:38, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

08:42, 15 June 2023 review of submission by Nbulgin
Good Morning, I completely understand the importance of maintaining your editorial standards to ensure the credibility of the offering. I'm more though at a loss to understand how a charity fund raiser who has been awarded an OBE for services to a major cancer charity is not 'notable' and would be grateful for any guidance please. My aim in writing this entry is to create an ability for other charities and so forth to find him and potentially engage his time as a fund raiser. After all, receiving an OBE seems notable to me. Thank you. Nbulgin (talk) 08:42, 15 June 2023 (UTC)


 * @Nbulgin: you appear to be mistaken about the concept of notability in the Wikipedia context. This does not mean 'fame' or 'recognition' or 'achievements' or anything of that ilk. It simply means whether enough secondary sources, which are reliable and independent of the subject, have on their own volition decided to publish significant coverage about it. If so, you then draft an article by summarising what those sources have said. (And if no such sources exist, then it isn't possible to have an article included.) This is very much the essence of Wikipedia. And as this draft cites no such sources, there is no evidence of notability, hence why I declined it. (And since you bring it up, something like an OBE does not make anyone inherently notable.)
 * On a separate but related matter, I have posted a message on your talk page about conflicts of interest; please read and action it. Thank you. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 08:54, 15 June 2023 (UTC)
 * (ec) Being awarded an OBE does likely make him notable. However, the draft has very little coverage of this or why he was awarded it, beyond mentioning that he was. There needs to be sources provided with significant coverage of his being awarded the title or the work that led to it. The personal life section is uncited. 331dot (talk) 08:59, 15 June 2023 (UTC)
 * When you say "My aim in writing this entry is to create an ability for other charities and so forth to find him and potentially engage his time as a fund raiser", this is a promotional purpose- promotion is not permitted on Wikipedia. Our only interest is in summarizing what independent reliable sources choose on their own to say about a topic. 331dot (talk) 09:00, 15 June 2023 (UTC)
 * @331dot: an OBE makes one notable? They hand out hundreds of those every year, there must be tens of thousands in circulation! And does this also apply to comparable mid/lower chivalry honours in other countries? -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 09:24, 15 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Perhaps I poorly phrased that(apologies!); an OBE may be an indicator of notability, but there needs to be significant coverage in independent sources about why they are notable enough to receive an OBE. This draft merely says that they got one, and doesn't really get into why. Almost all people who have been given a US Presidential Medal of Freedom have articles, not merely for receiving the award, but for what they did to be given one. 331dot (talk) 09:32, 15 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for clarifying @331dot. Yes, I see what you're saying, getting an OBE (etc.) is a signal suggesting they've probably done something which makes them notable, but that the OBE in and of itself doesn't negate the need for meeting WP:GNG or another notability standard. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 09:40, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

10:28, 15 June 2023 review of submission by Cawcampro
I'm trying to get this draft published and I can not seem to find my error after multiple changes and submissions. Cawcampro (talk) 10:28, 15 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi @Cawcampro, you seem to have ignored the advice given in the decline notices posted on your draft, and simply resubmitted your draft without addressing the issues. The issues are:
 * "This submission is not adequately supported by reliable sources. Reliable sources are required so that information can be verified. If you need help with referencing, please see Referencing for beginners and Citing sources.
 * This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of music-related topics). Before any resubmission, additional references meeting these criteria should be added (see technical help and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue). If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia." Qcne (talk) 15:51, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

14:57, 15 June 2023 review of submission by Dairb
How can I make my article notable more than it is already? Dairb (talk) 14:57, 15 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi @Dairb. You may not understand what "Notability" means in the Wikipedia context. Creating a Wikipedia article that meets notability standards requires careful attention to the sourcing and structuring of the content. Here are some recommendations based on Wikipedia's notability policy:
 * - Reliable Sources: Your article should rely on strong, reliable sources. These sources should be independent of the subject (not self-published or from the subject's own website) and published by reputable institutions. This could be books published by university presses, articles in peer-reviewed academic journals, or news from well-known news organizations. Primary sources can be used, but they should be supplemented with strong secondary sources that offer analysis or interpretation.
 * - Significant Coverage: Your subject should be discussed in detail in the sources you find. A brief mention is not usually enough to establish notability. The sources should provide in-depth information about the subject, going beyond basic facts or promotional material.
 * - Multiple Sources:You should find at least three strong, reliable sources that discuss your subject. If all of your information comes from a single source, it may not be enough to demonstrate that the subject is notable.
 * - No Original Research: Wikipedia articles should summarize existing knowledge about a subject, not present new research. This means you should avoid drawing your own conclusions or analyses from the sources. Stick to summarising what the sources say in a neutral tone. Qcne (talk) 15:50, 15 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Also, I'm sorry to say your article has been Rejected and will therefore not be considered further. Qcne (talk) 15:56, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

15:01, 15 June 2023 review of submission by The haul
Subject: Reason for Not Contesting Speedy Deletion

Dear WikiProject,

Thank you for bringing the speedy deletion notice to my attention regarding the page in question. After carefully considering the matter, I would like to provide the following reasons for not contesting the speedy deletion:

1. Notability: I understand that notability is a key criterion for preserving a Wikipedia page. In the case of the subject of this page, Ankit Kumar Pandey, it is important to highlight that he meets the notability guidelines outlined by Wikipedia. His achievements as an Indian sports personality, founder of the Self Defense Association of India, and his role as a State Secretary in Silambam sports, have garnered significant coverage in reliable, independent sources. These sources include newspapers, magazines, and online publications that have recognized his contributions and impact in the respective fields.

2. Sufficient Sourcing: The page in question includes appropriate citations from reliable sources that support the claims made in the content. These citations have been carefully selected from reputable publications known for their accuracy and integrity. By incorporating these reliable sources, the page aims to provide readers with verifiable information and maintain the standards of Wikipedia's sourcing guidelines.

3. Expansion Potential: Although the current content of the page may appear concise, it has the potential for expansion. As Ankit Kumar Pandey continues to make significant contributions in various domains, there is ample room to include additional noteworthy achievements and relevant details. With further expansion, the page can provide a comprehensive and informative overview of his accomplishments, thus meeting the expectations of Wikipedia's content standards.

4. Compliance with Policies: The content on the page strictly adheres to Wikipedia's policies, including verifiability, neutral point of view, and avoiding original research. Every effort has been made to present information in an objective manner, supported by reliable sources, ensuring the content meets the highest standards of accuracy and fairness.

5. As i see DreamRimmer mentioned Fit India Movement ambassador is not noteworthy i agreed we didn't target whole biography on it i agreed Fit India Ambassador consider as only notable work that he promotes fitnes to encourage individuals as i mentioned lots of notable work like founder of Self Defense Association of India, and State Secretary of Silambam Sports which is recognized by Sports ministry of india also he did movement like Balika Samman Abhiyan and you mentioned that provided sources are sponsored i don't think so this seems professional you think that news platforms like - times of india, Hindustan times, News Nation india, patrika etc. Platforms are published there article without verification so you're worng don't blame like that i don't think my article contest for deletion i knew already these article deleted which is wrote by someone else but I'll preformed very sincerely for it.

In light of the above reasons, I kindly request a reconsideration of the speedy deletion notice. I believe that the page meets the necessary criteria for inclusion on Wikipedia and provides valuable information about a notable individual. If there are any specific concerns or suggestions for improvement, I am more than willing to collaborate and make the necessary adjustments to ensure the page's compliance and accuracy.

Thank you for your attention to this matter. I look forward to your response and further guidance.

Sincerely, The haul The haul (talk) 15:01, 15 June 2023 (UTC)


 * @The haul: I'm not sure what you're saying, exactly ("Not Contesting Speedy Deletion"?), but this is not the place to contest (or not...) a speedy deletion request; you do that on the talk page of the article/draft in question. As indeed you have done.
 * It's also not quite clear what "response and further guidance" you want, but if you do have a question regarding the AfC process, feel free to ask. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 15:14, 15 June 2023 (UTC)
 * @DoubleGrazing: Hello dear thanks for your attention can you please help me out on my article Draft:Ankit Kumar Pandey which a have created i clearly mentioned all the reliable sources and notability according to wikipedia guidelines. The haul (talk) 16:13, 15 June 2023 (UTC)
 * @The haul: in short, no. This draft has been rejected. Previous repeated attempts, going back three years (!), have been deleted. Time to drop this, and find something else to write about. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 16:18, 15 June 2023 (UTC)
 * @DoubleGrazing: I knew this drap has been already deleted that's why I'll tried for it, meanwhile after rejected article won't republish or rewrite? -- The haul (talk) 16:22, 15 June 2023 (UTC)
 * You can't magic notability out of thin air. If this person isn't notable, no matter how many times you rewrite the draft, he still won't be notable.
 * Besides, why are you so insistent? Do you have a connection with this person? (No need to answer here; I'll post a message on your talk page, where you can respond. Please do.) -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 16:27, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

If any article deleted before show we can't write on it again? The haul (talk) 18:22, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

How to correct it for accept The haul (talk) 18:56, 15 June 2023 (UTC)


 * You can't. Rejection means it will not be considered again, please find another topic to edit about. 331dot (talk) 19:02, 15 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Please don't create a new section for every post you make. Please edit this existing section. 331dot (talk) 19:03, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

19:35, 15 June 2023 review of submission by Njlr2020
I have submitted a draft about a living person and it has come back saying there are two unreferenced sections and other claims without any footnotes. I would like to correct this but in some places I don't understand what it is I need to reference, or how I can. For example, this is one of the unreferenced sections. Can you give me an example of what it is that needs to be referenced within here as it is just talking about his family and education. Many thanks indeed, N

Early life and education

Born in Essex on 15 November 1938, Roberts was the only child of parents who divorced five years later. After the war, and after being cured of tuberculosis, he went to Woodford Green Primary School aged almost eight. From there he won a scholarship to Bancroft's School and, with further scholarships, went from there to the University of Leeds and University of Cambridge to study chemical engineering.

Following this he went on to read medicine at the Universities of Cambridge and Oxford, qualifying in 1972. Njlr2020 (talk) 19:35, 15 June 2023 (UTC)


 * @Njlr2020 Basically you need a source for every claim in the article. Taking only the first sentence of your example paragraph, you need to provide proof that he:
 * was born in Essex
 * was born on 15 November 1938
 * was an only child
 * and that his parents divorced when he was (about) 5 years old.
 * If the entire paragraph is from a single source you need to cite it only once at the end of the paragraph. If multiple sources are involved you need to place the references accordingly. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 20:35, 15 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi @Njlr2020 I also note much of the content is unsourced.  You need to cite sources for most claims.  If no such sources exist, then you need to remove the content.  See WP:V and WP:BLPSOURCES.  S0091 (talk) 20:38, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

20:18:29, 15 June 2023 review of draft by 47.40.238.193
47.40.238.193 (talk) 20:18, 15 June 2023 (UTC) How do I change the title of my draft?


 * The title is not the issue so do not concern about yourself about that. The issue is an article already exists about the topic as noted in the decline.  S0091 (talk) 20:30, 15 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Note, the IP submitted a duplicate draft under the title Draft:Cultural impact of Depp v. Heard, which I redirected to Draft:Ken Loach8 given it had already been declined as an existing article and unlikely to ever be accepted. S0091 (talk) 21:09, 15 June 2023 (UTC)