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= June 5 =

00:05, 5 June 2023 review of submission by Newbardolph
Is there an objective standard to establish "significant coverage?" Please kindly directly me to the manual so I may review it. Newbardolph (talk) 00:05, 5 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi @Newbardolph see WP:SIGCOV. Generally, you want about three paragraphs from sources that meet all the sourcing requirements (reliable, independent, etc.).  Sources that are about the same event generally count as a single source, in this case his death, and you need at least one or two that are outside the local area.  Also, be mindful of peacock words that promote the person.   It seems he could meet the notability guidelines but better sources are needed.  S0091 (talk) 00:30, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Excellent information. Thank you! Newbardolph (talk) 01:43, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

01:18, 5 June 2023 review of submission by Adem jashari99
Hello can you check the Draft again if you need more sources let me know

Thank you Adem jashari99 (talk) 01:18, 5 June 2023 (UTC)


 * The draft has already been rejected. That means no, I'm afraid. -- asilvering (talk) 05:07, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

01:23, 5 June 2023 review of submission by KevinML
What are some reliable sources that I can use for this draft? KevinML (talk) 01:23, 5 June 2023 (UTC)


 * @KevinML: the concept of 'reliable sources' is explained at WP:RS. Note, however, that in order to establish notability per WP:GNG, it isn't enough for sources to be reliable, they must also be independent of the subject, and provide significant coverage, not just passing mentions. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 07:36, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

02:02, 5 June 2023 review of submission by Trikehunter
Hello! I think Mr. Stein deserves the Wikipedia recognition base on the strength of the article in Tampa Bay Parenting magazine. Mr. Stein discovered, excavated and saved the largest known example of Triceratops. The Triceratops, known as Big John, actually has a Wikipedia page that speaks to Mr. Stein's work in Paleontology. Please offer any assistance you can to help me to strengthen the contribution. Thank you again for your help! Trikehunter (talk) 02:02, 5 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Did you copy this text or the references from somewhere? I don't mean "plagiarize", I mean a copy+paste action. I ask because there is language in your footnotes like Archived from the original on January 17, 2023. Retrieved January 18, 2023., but no actual link there. -- asilvering (talk) 05:05, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, I am sure I used a copy and paste function. Please tell me how to correct my error so as to create a link to the article. Thank you again for your help! Trikehunter (talk) 00:23, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Where did you copy and paste from? You would just need to go to that place and make sure you opened the source editor, not the visual editor, so you can correctly copy over the wiki markup. See WP:COPYWITHIN for details on whether you need to attribute that copying, and if so how to do it. -- asilvering (talk) 04:11, 7 June 2023 (UTC)

06:09, 5 June 2023 review of submission by Gengeros
Requesting someone to review and approval Draft:2022 Ms. Olympia. No reason what so ever for it not to be approved as there is already a 2022 Mr. Olympia, a 2023 Ms. Olympia, and 1980-2021 Ms. Olympia articles. So zero reason for there not to be a 2022 Ms. Olympia article. Been waiting for over four months now. Gengeros (talk) 06:09, 5 June 2023 (UTC)


 * @Gengeros: please be patient, this draft will be reviewed when a reviewer happens to come across it; there are 4.6k+ other drafts also awaiting review. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 07:34, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

06:55, 5 June 2023 review of submission by Khalilkhan bengali model1
my page is not show on Google please help me and upload my page on google soon as possible Khalilkhan bengali model1 (talk) 06:55, 5 June 2023 (UTC)


 * @Khalilkhan bengali model1: your draft, such as it was, has been deleted.
 * Note also that you should not be writing about let alone promoting yourself; if that is your only intention, you are heading for a block. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 07:31, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

07:58, 5 June 2023 review of submission by Quyentrungga
Hi, I am new to Wikipedia and I need some helps.

I was trying to translate the page WebMD (corp.) to Vietnamese language, but somehow it was declined.

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:WebMD&action=edit

Reason: language is not English (but i translated it to Vietnamese by myself).

Any help? Thanks. Quyentrungga (talk) 07:58, 5 June 2023 (UTC)


 * @Quyentrungga: that's because, as it says in the decline notice, this is the English-language Wikipedia, and we can only accept content in English. If you wish to submit it to the Vietnamese Wikipedia, you need to do that there. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 08:03, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

09:50, 5 June 2023 review of submission by WWBM
Greetings. In January 2023, I created a draft of an article about the comparison of road/traffic signs in post-Soviet countries. The idea for this article came to me not by chance: readers need to be shown how road signs have changed in various post-Soviet countries after they declared their independence from the Soviet Union between 1990 and 1991 and after the collapse of the Soviet Union. I am from Russia and I have information about road signs that are used in Russia and CIS countries. However, on June 4, 2023, my publication was rejected.

I spent a lot of time creating this article between January and May 2023. Despite the fact that my publication was rejected, I wrote a lot about road signs in post-Soviet countries, referring to sources. User @ approved my idea for an article about the comparison of road signs in post-Soviet countries. What can you advise me in this case to make this draft article better? WWBM (talk) 09:50, 5 June 2023 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry, but rejected typically means a draft will not be considered further. No amount of editing can confer notability on a topic. 331dot (talk) 09:54, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
 * This may additionally also fall foul of the WP:OR / WP:SYNTH rules, as most of the main body content is unreferenced. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 10:25, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

11:25, 5 June 2023 review of submission by Jammywalter7
Hi there, I see that this draft has been rejected for a lack of reliable sources. Is it the case that I simply need to find more supporting sources (and so could potentially turn this article into a stub if I struggle to find more) or are the sources and citations currently used unsuitable? Jammywalter7 (talk) 11:25, 5 June 2023 (UTC)


 * @Jammywalter7: this draft has only been declined (meaning you can resubmit), not rejected (which would have meant you cannot). In order to resubmit, you need to find multiple independent and reliable secondary sources that provide significant coverage about this person, to demonstrate WP:GNG notability. What he himself has written or said is not relevant in that respect.
 * Whether the article initially is a stub or longer, either way the same notability standard must be met. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 11:41, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

11:29, 5 June 2023 review of submission by 87.2.156.165
I edited the page and I just made this article for informative purposes. 87.2.156.165 (talk) 11:29, 5 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Yeah okay. Leave it at that. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 11:36, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

11:33, 5 June 2023 review of submission by Mcbit3972
What can I do to make this better to get through submission? Was making an English version to link to the Italian (https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_Network_of_Medical_Excellence) and have far more sources cited than the original. Mcbit3972 (talk) 11:33, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

12:36, 5 June 2023 review of submission by Yuvalengineer
Dear editors, I wrote an article about a professor who published high impact articles and won prestigious prizes, and it was declined for not showing the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article. Can you please tell me what else am I missing to qualify? Thank you! Yuvalengineer (talk) 12:36, 5 June 2023 (UTC)


 * @Yuvalengineer: did you actually read the decline notice, esp. the grey box inside the large pink box? As it says, you need to show that this person is notable by either the WP:NACADEMIC or WP:GNG route; currently neither is shown.
 * Also, as this is an article on a living person, inline citations are required to support all material statements, anything potentially contentious, and all private personal and family information. (This wasn't a reason for declining, but I'm mentioning it anyway as the draft is lacking in this respect.) -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 13:04, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

15:03, 5 June 2023 review of submission by Ian Jenson
Why has this entry not been placed? This is impacting on my friends revenue and taking money out of his children's mouth. A Wiki page is needed for professional musicians. Who gets to decide who lives and who doesn't? First thing a promoter asks, where is the Wiki page. I know JP grew up in poverty in Middlesbrough. Is this how you treat working class stories on this medium? Is it just for nepotism and rich people? Ian Jenson (talk) 15:03, 5 June 2023 (UTC)


 * @ian jenson: i'm sorry, but wikipedia is absolutely not the place to promote your friend's career. lettherebedarklight晚安 15:08, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
 * We don't have "wiki pages" here. We have articles. Wikipedia articles are not intended to be for the benefit of the subject in any way. Wikipedia has no control over third parties seeing the presence of a Wikipedia article as a benefit to a client. You should promote your friend on social media. Wikipedia isn't the place to improve someone's career- their career must already be in the place where they merit a Wikipedia article. Wikipedia does not lead, it follows. 331dot (talk) 15:12, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
 * And quite frankly it is very disingenuous to claim that Wikipedia is taking food/money from his children. 331dot (talk) 15:15, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Frankly, if the first thing a promoter asks is "where is your wikipedia page", you or the venue probably need to fire that guy and get a new one. -- asilvering (talk) 04:22, 7 June 2023 (UTC)

18:46, 5 June 2023 review of submission by 105.235.129.227
Can you tell me what should I add so that they accept the draft 105.235.129.227 (talk) 18:46, 5 June 2023 (UTC)


 * The draft was deleted as blatant promotion. 331dot (talk) 19:08, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

20:47, 5 June 2023 review of submission by Maura91
Hi! I am wondering if there is anything else we can do to edit this page? Or, are we unable to continue to make edits? Maura91 (talk) 20:47, 5 June 2023 (UTC)


 * I gather that "we" means that you are associated with this business. Please read WP:COI and WP:PAID. The draft was rejected, meaning that it will not be considered further. Wikipedia is not a place for businesses to tell the world about themselves. 331dot (talk) 20:54, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

21:11, 5 June 2023 review of submission by Nancygerette
I believe my article was declined due to a mistake on the part of the reviewer

In the decline message, the reviewer asked if there were reviews ABOUT the subject instead of BY the subject. But there are no reviews BY the subject in my article. I believe the reviewer misinterpreted the title of the article. For more: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:N._West_Moss Nancygerette (talk) 21:11, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

Also see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Nancygerette — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nancygerette (talk • contribs) 21:14, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
 * , your first two references are promotional listings of her books on her publisher's websites. Those references are not independent of the author and are of no value in establishing notability. References to significant coverage in reliable sources that are entirely independent of the author are required. Cullen328 (talk) 21:21, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
 * I followed EXACTLY the layout used for an accepted article about another author, Ladette Randolph. So either they are both wrong, or neither are. Nancygerette (talk) 22:01, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Please see other stuff exists as to why that is generally a poor argument. There are many ways to get inappropriate content past us, this does not mean more should be added; we can only address the problematic articles we know about. If the article you used as a model is also inappropriate, you might be unaware of that. If you want to use other articles as a model, use those classified as good articles. 331dot (talk) 22:16, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
 * (edit conflict) That is a poorly-referenced start class article. If you want to model an article on another article, then I suggest that you choose a Good article or a Featured article. Cullen328 (talk) 22:44, 5 June 2023 (UTC)