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= March 12 =

03:29:45, 12 March 2023 review of submission by Treepak411
Treepak411 (talk) 03:29, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

I posted a brief article about my artistry and my own work and it was denied but I am an emerging talent who is trying very hard to get himself out there — I am on Spotify as a verified artist and on Soundcloud as well with a family is semi-famous. Please reconsider this article —I would so genuinely appreciate it.


 * notability cannot be inherited from your family. I don't see how you meet the notability guide for musicians either. Also, please be aware of Wikipedia's autobiography policy. &mdash; Ingenuity (talk &bull; contribs) 03:44, 12 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Ok…well can you at least write one about my family '' like Steven Spolansky or Jodi Smith (née Spolansky) —I really need reach but I could really appreciate this potential opportunity Treepak411 (talk) 04:37, 12 March 2023 (UTC)
 * @Treepak411 that is counterintuitive to the purpose of Wikipedia, this is an encyclopedia on topics which are already considered notable by our standards. It is not meant to be an avenue of promotion or extending anyone's "reach" . Your time would be better spent elsewhere if this is your goal. McMatter (talk)/(contrib) 04:58, 12 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Can I just please have an article? Treepak411 (talk) 18:24, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
 * @Treepak411 As already described, Wikipedia is emphatically not for articles about "emerging talent". To merit an article on Wikipedia,  a "talent" must have already arrived.  The person must also be notable, as described in the clickable links above.  Has anyone written in-depth articles about you in any newspapers or magazines?  If there are  no sources like this, there cannot be an article here, and you should use other sites for promotion.  Also please read TOOSOON.  Sorry. David10244 (talk) 11:51, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

08:26:02, 12 March 2023 review of submission by EstezaRemmy
Hi everyone on this help page, My first page on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Iconic_Kent_Kris was declined for passing as a Wikipedia Article, and I am stuck on where I did not satisfy the requirements.

If any one here can be of help and assistance to have the page approved, I will be grateful.

Thanks in advance!

EstezaRemmy (talk) 08:26, 12 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi @EstezaRemmy: the draft was declined for lack of notability; the sources cited are interviews and publicity pieces, whereas we need to see what independent and reliable sources have said about him, on their own initiative.
 * There is also unreferenced content in the draft, eg. the entire 'Career' section hasn't a single citation. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 08:47, 12 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you @DoubleGrazing for the helpful feedback, so probably as it stands i will have to find more reliable sources before resubmitting for further review, right? EstezaRemmy (talk) 17:31, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
 * @EstezaRemmy: that's correct – you need to find more and better sources to establish notability (see WP:GNG for advice); and on a related but separate point, you need to support the contents better, using more citations. Best, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 17:54, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

Request on 09:58:43, 12 March 2023 for assistance on AfC submission by DanielChutzpah
I'm requesting a review since I don't understand what the problem is with the draft article I submitted. The article respects Wikipedia's standards and I have been taking into account all of the reviews I received from previous reviewers. I, again, modified the draft article today to respect as much as possible the guidelines and policy of Wikiepdia and would appreciate that the article be published (or that at least I know why it's not...). Thank you in advance. I am by the way associated with the subject of the article, as stated explicitely.

DanielChutzpah (talk) 09:58, 12 March 2023 (UTC)


 * @DanielChutzpah: this draft has been rejected, which means it won't be considered further. If you wish to challenge that, you need to do so directly with the reviewer who rejected it, and you need to have substantive grounds for doing so.
 * I should probably add that if I were reviewing this now, I would be declining it for insufficient referencing, as quite a lot of the content is either unreferenced or referenced using inadequate sources. There are also many other issues with this. Which is to say, the draft would need quite a lot of work to bring it up to required standards, so don't expect it to be simply waved trough as-is. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 10:36, 12 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello DoubleGrazing and thanks for your reply and explanation.
 * Do you mind expanding a little on the referencing? Which parts are not referenced adequately according to you? Because as it is, everything looks very solid to me.
 * Please feel free to answer me in private if this forum is not appropriate.
 * Thank you in advance.
 * ? 2A0D:6FC2:5FB2:B400:C9A3:A3A1:1F33:81A2 (talk) 10:59, 12 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I don't want to get too much into it, as this has been rejected and as such is not viable content, but:
 * Sources like Amazon, Baidu, PRNewsWire and YouTube are generally not considered reliable.
 * Forbes' editorial content is usually reliable, but their contributors are often not independent, and their writings are not subject to editorial oversight; see WP:FORBESCON.
 * Anything written by Arieli herself needs to be corroborated by an independent source. For example, the statement that she served as a Lieutenant in Unit 8200 is referenced only by an article she wrote.
 * Per WP:BLP, all material statements, anything potentially contentious, and private personal details such as DOB, educational achievements and family members all need to be backed up by clearly citing reliable published sources.
 * My hunch is, you've written what your client or employer wanted you to write, and then cited some sources to support some of it. What you should do instead is summarise what reliable published sources have said about her, no more, no less, citing the sources as you go. HTH, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 11:22, 12 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much. DanielChutzpah (talk) 12:21, 12 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much. DanielChutzpah (talk) 12:21, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

11:36:51, 12 March 2023 review of submission by 2600:4040:937B:1B00:8D0F:1F63:EB74:6FE4
2600:4040:937B:1B00:8D0F:1F63:EB74:6FE4 (talk) 11:36, 12 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Firstly, this draft has been rejected.
 * Secondly, this is just a copy of an existing article, as pointed out in the review comments, as well as on this page two days ago.
 * And thirdly, you don't ask a question. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 11:45, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

12:19:22, 12 March 2023 review of draft by WriterGP
Query about which citation form to use.

I am quoting from an article accessed via the British Newspaper Archive. Is this the correct way of citing?

Another citation for an article, accessed the same way, refers to an article with no title. How should I cite this?

Many thanks.

WriterGP (talk) 12:19, 12 March 2023 (UTC)


 * @WriterGP The link took me to a registration page, so that's not working. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 13:32, 18 March 2023 (UTC)
 * THE BNA is a paid-for subscription service. The link is valid for anyone with a subscription. I'm not sure how best to cite newspapers held on the BNA. Do you have any suggestions? Thanks. WriterGP (talk) 11:48, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

22:18:55, 12 March 2023 review of draft by Antivoid
I tried to submit an earlier version of this draft, but it was rejected due to lacking sources. The original article had no sources so I had to look for some. I found two of them, but I'm not sure if I'll need to add more sources.

Antivoid (talk) 22:18, 12 March 2023 (UTC)


 * @Antivoid: the draft has only two sources, which isn't really enough to establish notability per WP:GNG. Moreover, it has only three citations, leaving the vast majority of the content unsupported, begging the obvious question – where is all this information coming from? So yes, you will need to add more sources, and cite them throughout the text, so that it is clear which source supports what content. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 14:29, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
 * So will I be able to have a minor page if I add kore resources (about two) Treepak411 (talk) 18:22, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
 * @Treepak411 Is all of the text in the draft backed by just the two sources you listed? If so, that's likely not broad enough coverage to prove notability of the topic.
 * On the other hand, if the text in the draft comes from different places, then you are not understanding what DoubleGrazing is explaining. Every fact or assertion in the draft needs a reference. For example, the first two sentences in the section "Background" need one reference per sentence, or, if the statements in both sentences are found in the same publication, then one reference might cover both sentences. If everything comes from your two sources,  you should still add a reference for each fact, preferably with page numbers that show where in the source the information came from.  See referencing for details.
 * The sentences in the other two sections also need references, even if they are from the (only two) sources. David10244 (talk) 10:43, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

23:39:58, 12 March 2023 review of submission by PIRINATION
Hello! My article was denied and I'm curious as to why. Thanks!

PIRINATION (talk) 23:39, 12 March 2023 (UTC)


 * @PIRINATION Welcome to  the Teahouse. The reasons why are given in the big gray box in the draft, after the words  "Submission declined".  In that explanation, the words or phrases in blue (or possibly purple) are clickable links.  Clicking those links, and reading all of the information given, should answer your question.
 * Writing a new article is hard until you are familiar with all of the rules and guidelines.  I'll give a partial answer to your question: several sections in your draft have no citations. For example, where did the information in the "Early life" section come from? Where did you learn all of that?  The assertions in that section (and throughout  the draft) must be backed with references showing the sources of the info. David10244 (talk) 08:29, 13 March 2023 (UTC)