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= March 18 =

10:18:03, 18 March 2023 review of submission by Faran315
I am trying to add a page for a social venue Chenab Club. I have been visiting this club since forever. I have created this page and provided reference links. I am trying to provide impartial writing and information as this is a historic landmark venue. However, this draft submission has not been accepted.

I would like to request senior writers to review the content and provide advise to make the submission compliant with wikipedia guidelines.

I thank all who take their time to respond. Kind regards F

Faran 10:18, 18 March 2023 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Faran315 (talk • contribs)


 * most of the content is unreferenced, which in itself is a problem, as everything on Wikipedia must be traceable to a reliable published source; or if you look at it another way, when writing a Wikipedia article, you should only be summarising what published sources have said. Not citing any sources runs the risk that the content is either your own original research, or else copied from somewhere, neither of which is allowed.


 * Then there is the question of notability: the two sources you cite are the club's own website, and Wikimapia, neither of which can be used to establish notability; instead, per WP:GNG we need to see significant coverage in multiple secondary sources that are both reliable and completely independent of the subject.


 * Please do not resubmit this draft before you have addressed all of the issues I've mentioned, as your draft may otherwise be rejected and even deleted. BR, --DoubleGrazing (talk) 10:57, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

11:08:20, 18 March 2023 review of submission by UrFathermaybeblind
My resubmit is gone i have created and modified the article and i need to resubmit

UrFathermaybeblind (talk) 11:08, 18 March 2023 (UTC)
 * The draft was rejected, meaning that it will not be considered further. Please see my message to you in your post above. 331dot (talk) 11:09, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

12:22:14, 18 March 2023 review of draft by FalBuru
I don't get the reason why it was declined. the draft needs multiple published sources that are: in-depth (not just passing mentions about the subject) reliable secondary independent of the subject I fulfill every single one of these with the article, it is in depth and reliable given most the sources are CompuPhase's own site or documentation, and there's no original research given I myself don't work in Pawn, I know of the language due to it being needed inside the SAMP community, it's a mere translation of the Italian article for it. Lastly, there cannot be independent sources about the language given it's fairly niche. I can cite open.mp's documentation specific to SAMP, which is ironically the best third-party source for the language, but I'm not mentioning it anywhere so it just wouldn't make sense. I'm here to ask for suggestions on how I should modify the article to fit this last criteria, or how I'm not fulfilling the rest of the criteria.

FalBuru (talk) 12:22, 18 March 2023 (UTC)


 * @FalBuru: a few remarks in response:
 * None of the sources cited meet the WP:GNG notability standard, so the draft was certainly correctly declined.
 * A lot of the content is unreferenced, so it could also have been declined for that reason, and likely would be unless you improve the referencing.
 * If, as you say, this is a translation (presumably from the Italian Wikipedia?), you must acknowledge that as the source – see WP:HOWTRANS for advice.
 * Your statement "there cannot be independent sources about the language given it's fairly niche" very much suggests that the subject simply isn't notable enough to warrant inclusion in Wikipedia, and if that is the case, then there is nothing you can do to "modify the article" to get around this.
 * HTH, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 12:34, 18 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot, I had never heard of the General notability guideline, I will look into it. Yes, it is a translation from the Italian Wikipedia.
 * I will note about the niche comment that it's niche like VBScript, where given the very specific use case, its popularity is completely tied to what it's used for. To give an actual number, there's currently a minimum of 40,000 people playing SAMP, during it's golden era in 2011 it surpassed 200,000, which is all people who could be exposed to the topic and people who could use an English article for the topic, given the current availability being just French and Italian. What I meant by niche is that it's scarcely documented. FalBuru (talk) 12:48, 18 March 2023 (UTC)
 * @FalBuru: the "scarcely documented" bit is precisely what I meant. Even if millions of people use Pawn, but nobody has ever published articles or books or TV programmes etc. about it, then you couldn't have an article on it, because Wikipedia articles only summarise what other reliable sources have previously said about a topic. Conversely, even if only a handful of people use Pawn, but it has been extensively covered in published media, then in Wikipedia terms it is notable and warrants its own article. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 12:54, 18 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Ah, I see. Understood, thanks.
 * FalBuru (talk) 12:59, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

19:46:13, 18 March 2023 review of draft by PeterBruce-Iri
PeterBruce-Iri (talk) 19:46, 18 March 2023 (UTC)Hi, A couple of months ago there was an excellent citations tool. Can you help me find it please?


 * Hi @PeterBruce-Iri there are many tools so not sure which one you were using. Try this guide. this one or ask at the Teahouse.  S0091 (talk) 22:15, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

22:02:04, 18 March 2023 review of draft by Raylaur15
Update on review of article on Los Pleneros de la 21, submitted on January 14, 2023. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Los_Pleneros_de_la_21

Dear Wiki Editors: Its been more that two months since I submitted this article for review. Can I get any update as to its status? I want to be sure that it was submitted correctly and is in the queue for review. It would be wonderful if I heard somsehtng soon.

thanks,

raylaur15

Raylaur15 (talk) 22:02, 18 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi @Raylaur15 you did submit it correctly so it is waiting for review. Given we are all volunteers, editors do not review drafts in any particular order.  In the interim, I suggest posting on the draft's talk page the three best sources that meet the notability criteria for musicians.  Please also see WP:42 and WP:THREE for guidance.  S0091 (talk) 22:11, 18 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the advice!! I just posted the four best notability sources on the Los Pleneros de la 21 draft article's talk page.
 * If you have any other suggestions for moving the evaluation process forward, please let me know. ￼
 * Again, thanks so much for your comments.
 * raylaur15 2603:7000:8106:B298:B1BD:E509:62B7:23A9 (talk) 16:08, 19 March 2023 (UTC)