Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk/Archives/2023 March 9

= March 9 =

Request on 02:40:40, 9 March 2023 for assistance on AfC submission by MaMingRoberto
MaMingRoberto (talk) 02:40, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

My article was declined because:

"Almost all of the content in this BLP article is uncited. Work needs to be done to add reliable, independent sources with significant coverage that establish notability."

All the information in the article is verified in the press that is listed in the third paragraph under press mentions and citied in the "external links" section. If I move those press citations up to the body of the article as footnotes would that fix the problem?

Thank you
 * Hello, . Wikipedia articles summarize the significant coverage that reliable, independent sources devote to the topic and references to those sources are used inline in the body of the article. Your draft only has one reference, to an academic journal article about something different. That's bizarre. Can you explain that? You have a lot of external links. Those in the body of the article should be removed. If any of them are of value and are useful as references, then they need to be properly formatted as references, and placed in the proper places in the body of the draft. External links are not references. Cullen328 (talk) 04:30, 9 March 2023 (UTC)


 * @MaMingRoberto Please click on WP:REFB. David10244 (talk) 07:28, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

04:12:35, 9 March 2023 review of draft by Eddy Oliveira Designer
I wanted help to be able to publish this page in English version, since this page would be a variation of the original one in Portuguese. I couldn't understand which reliable sources were mentioned in the refusal of the page.

Eddy Oliveira Designer (talk) 04:12, 9 March 2023 (UTC)


 * @Eddy Oliveira Designer: the entire 'Biography' section, which constitutes almost the whole body text of the article, is unreferenced. This would be a problem in any article, but especially so in one on a living person, see WP:BLP. Please ensure that every material statement, anything potentially contentious, and all private personal details are clearly supported by citations to reliable published sources.
 * Note also that just because this person has been deemed to warrant an article in pt.wiki, doesn't automatically guarantee acceptance into en.wiki, so you need to make sure that the subject meets our notability standards such as WP:GNG or WP:FILMMAKER. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 09:04, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

05:32:42, 9 March 2023 review of submission by Xkalponik
The page has been rejected, and I've been suggested to see WP:NPOL. I did, and it states, Major local political figures who have received significant press coverage are notable". The draft's subject is a major politician, he's a presidium member of the main opposition and one of the biggest political parties of the nation. He's been subject to numerous press coverage throughout his career. Would a reviewer reconsider this? Thanks. X (talk) 05:32, 9 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi @Xkalponik it also states Just being an elected local official, or an unelected candidate for political office, does not guarantee notability, although such people can still be notable if they meet the general notability guideline. Standard coverage about campaigns is generally considered trivial and what a subject says is not independent so cannot be used to establish notability.  S0091 (talk) 17:00, 11 March 2023 (UTC)

06:04:39, 9 March 2023 review of submission by Mambomo
tried editing some references, of the artist Mambomo (talk) 06:04, 9 March 2023 (UTC)


 * @Mambomo Unfortunately, the draft has been rejected and will not be considered further. (The external links you provided are not inline references  as described  in WP:REFB).  Please do not resubmit it. David10244 (talk) 07:30, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

08:14:34, 9 March 2023 review of draft by Sahupankaj
Trying to create wiki page but not able to understand which section of the content to be removed or edited.

Sahupankaj (talk) 08:14, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

Request on 08:38:19, 9 March 2023 for assistance on AfC submission by Sahupankaj
Sahupankaj (talk) 08:38, 9 March 2023 (UTC)


 * What is your question, @Sahupankaj? -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 07:33, 11 March 2023 (UTC)

08:53:11, 9 March 2023 review of submission by Markjiang8
Hi teachers, I wrote an article about a company, but that company doesn't have any English references, What can I do for choose those references and improve article quality? Thanks for your help.

Markjiang8 (talk) 08:53, 9 March 2023 (UTC)


 * @Markjiang8: I'm no teacher, but I'll reply while waiting for one... Sources don't need to be in English, but they do need to be reliable and independent, and to provide significant coverage of the subject. The reviewer is contending that the sources cited are insufficient to establish notability per WP:ORGCRIT.
 * I would add that the draft is quite promotional and peacocky in nature, veering into the ADMASQ territory.
 * I've also posted a COI query on your user page, please read and action that as your next step. Thanks, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 13:25, 10 March 2023 (UTC)

10:01:11, 9 March 2023 review of submission by Verflix7
Hey! I wanted to create a wikipedia article about Railsponsible. Railsponsible is a sustainability initiative of the railway industry, and it exists already since 2015. Also Wikipedia articles on comparable initiatives exist (e.g. Together for Sustainability), so I was wondering why my submission got declined. What do I have to change? Thank you in advance! Verflix7 (talk) 10:01, 9 March 2023 (UTC)


 * @Verflix7: did you read the decline notice? For notability per WP:GNG, we need to see multiple independent and reliable secondary sources with significant coverage of the subject. The draft currently only cites the organisation's own website, and one other source which may or may not meet the GNG criteria but in any case is alone not enough. Best, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 11:24, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

13:07:17, 9 March 2023 review of submission by GMorris419
I need help understanding how my article (Sugar Valley Rural Charter School) is not meeting the qualifications to become an article.

GMorris419 (talk) 13:07, 9 March 2023 (UTC)


 * @GMorris419: because, as was repeatedly pointed out by the reviewers, notability per WP:GNG requires significant coverage in multiple independent and reliable secondary sources, and none of ones cited meets this standard. In any case, this draft has now been rejected and will therefore not be considered further. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 11:50, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I understand that my citations do not meet this standard, but I do not understand how they do not meet this standard. It seems the sources I used are impartial, non-biased, reliable, and secondary. GMorris419 (talk) 15:24, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Sources 1-3 are just stats and directory listings; source 4, while arguably the best of the lot, is little more than a passing mention; and 5-6 are routine business reporting. None of these provides the sort of significant coverage required to establish notability (and even if 4 did, which IMO it doesn't, it alone isn't enough, as we need multiple sources). HTH, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 07:23, 11 March 2023 (UTC)

14:46:45, 9 March 2023 review of submission by Mspendl828
Hello, could someone please help me with this submission?

It has been declined for not being supported by reliable sources, I have cited five different sources for the information in the article, including the BBC, NME and the Guardian newspaper.

I don't believe there's anything in the article which isn't taken from the sources referred in the article.

I'd really appreciate if someone can let me know what I'm doing wrong.

Thank you!

Mspendl828 (talk) 14:46, 9 March 2023 (UTC)


 * @Mspendl828: it is true that you have cited five sources, of which some, but not all, can certainly be considered reliable. You may wish to ask the declining reviewer directly what they found lacking in that respect.
 * Personally, I would still decline this, albeit for a different reason, namely lack of notability. The sources are all about the single event, of Arkin being signed up to a record label, and aren't IMO sufficient to establish notability per WP:GNG. As for WP:MUSICBIO notability, a single album with no particular list, certification, etc. merits isn't enough to meet this notability standard, either. Best, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 11:48, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi, thank you for the reply and for helping clarify the submission requirements. I really appreciate it :) Mspendl828 (talk) 16:30, 11 March 2023 (UTC)

15:57:39, 9 March 2023 review of submission by Catherineailsamacintosh
Catherineailsamacintosh (talk) 15:57, 9 March 2023 (UTC) Catherineailsamacintosh (talk) 15:57, 9 March 2023 (UTC)I have been advised that my submission "Bob Giles architect" does not comply with requirements because "fails the first non-free content criterion." I take this to be because 2 of the images are marked "copyright Bob Giles" and the third is marked "copyright Simon Kennedy". Both these individuals have agreed to waive their copyright. Should I therefore simply remove the note on the origins of those images?15:57, 9 March 2023 (UTC)Catherineailsamacintosh (talk)


 * Hi @Catherineailsamacintosh: the notice on your talk page refers specifically to the File:Bob Giles, architect.pdf only, which isn't even referenced in the draft, and therefore has nothing to do with why the draft was declined. The reason it was declined is because it is insufficiently referenced, with many paragraphs and even entire sections without a single citation. This would be a problem in any article, and especially so in articles on living people. HTH, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 09:01, 10 March 2023 (UTC)

17:10:33, 9 March 2023 review of submission by PhoenixBrmnzo
PhoenixBrmnzo (talk) 17:10, 9 March 2023 (UTC) Hello, I'd like to ask why a draft article was declined. May I know the reason(s)? Thanks.


 * Hello, you have not specified what article you are inquiring on. Please review the instructions under the "Click here to ask a new question." link above and edit your inquiry accordingly. nf utvol (talk) 17:14, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I added it now. PhoenixBrmnzo (talk) 17:18, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Courtesy link Draft:Treatment of prisoners of war in the Greco-Italian War. Theroadislong (talk) 17:25, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you for adding it. PhoenixBrmnzo (talk) 17:28, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

My message was also that this topic/subject needs more research. PhoenixBrmnzo‬ (talk) I understand that it needs more citations. It's all good. Thank you.

17:53:44, 9 March 2023 review of submission by 83.32.100.28
Hello, thanks for your feedback. I am trying to include as many reliable sources from Internet in English and Hebrew. Snir Zano is a well-known entrepreneur in Israel. I ask you to please reconsider the decision of declining this article and letting me know what I can do to amend it.

83.32.100.28 (talk) 17:53, 9 March 2023 (UTC)


 * See below. S0091 (talk) 16:52, 11 March 2023 (UTC)

17:56:12, 9 March 2023 review of submission by Jackcohenkm72
Jackcohenkm72 (talk) 17:56, 9 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi @Jackcohenkm72 in order to meet notability, sources need to meet all four requirements: reliable, secondary, independent and cover the subject in-depth. The current sources are either primary and/or not independent.  Press releases, interviews or comments by the subject are not useful.  Also, it appears the sources are about the company rather than Zano so does not provide in-depth coverage about him.  The draft has now been rejected so will no longer be considered.  S0091 (talk) 16:51, 11 March 2023 (UTC)