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= May 11 =

06:29, 11 May 2023 review of submission by Sandipan1997
I am submitting an article which is getting rejected each time for different reasons. Kindly help me Sandipan1997 (talk) 06:29, 11 May 2023 (UTC)


 * @Sandipan1997: no, it has been declined three times, and finally rejected, always for the same reason, namely that there is no evidence the subject is notable.
 * And you have been asked to disclose your relationship with this subject (or any other that you're writing about) but haven't done so; please do it now. Thank you. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 06:33, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I have no relationship with the company Sandipan1997 (talk) 06:51, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

08:47, 11 May 2023 review of submission by Gabrielhussein503
London Gabrielhussein503 (talk) 08:47, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Courtesy link Draft:Separated By My Leader the unsourced draft has been rejected it will not be considered further. Theroadislong (talk) 08:51, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

11:56, 11 May 2023 review of submission by Kostaru76
Dear Sir/Madam, I am trying to obtain assistance in order to execute the following recommendations of my Draft reviewer.

Comment: Please remove the external links from the body of the article, we don't use them. Theroadislong (talk) 20:41, 23 May 2022 (UTC) Symbol opinion vote.svg Comment: Also needs severe ref cleanup and a lead section. 🚂Locomotive207-talk🚂 13:29, 23 May 2022 (UTC) Please can you highlight for me which exactly external links I have to remove from the body of the article, because there are external links to other Wikipedia pages and also to several other newspapers. The reviewer of my draft also states the following: “ This submission is not adequately supported by reliable sources. Reliable sources are required so that information can be verified. If you need help with referencing, please see Referencing for beginners and Citing sources.” I have used different sources, some of which I have found in the Google Scholar database. These are international journals and the Cambridge database, and other sources refer to Bulgarian newspapers and electronic tabloids. If they have been considered untrustful, I will remove them. I kindly ask if you can reply to me with some more detailed guidance that will help me improve my article to meet Wikipedia standards. Kind Regards Kostaru76 (talk) 11:56, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
 * These are the external links that need to be removed,  and . Theroadislong (talk) 12:17, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

13:29, 11 May 2023 review of submission by עומר תשבי
Does this article have a chance to be accepted to wiki? עומר תשבי (talk) 13:29, 11 May 2023 (UTC)


 * @עומר תשבי: possibly, if the subject is deemed notable, and the article complies with the relevant policies and guidelines. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 14:05, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

14:30:56, 11 May 2023 review of draft by MAXOQ
I want this article to be published MAXOQ (talk) 14:34, 11 May 2023 (UTC)


 * @MAXOQ: please don't start multiple sections, thank you.
 * You haven't submitted the draft, so it hasn't been reviewed, and therefore cannot be published.
 * Not that there's much point in submitting it, as it wouldn't be accepted anyway, as it stands. In fact, it looks like it's pending speedy deletion. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 14:40, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

Request on 14:43:05, 11 May 2023 for assistance on AfC submission by Reward3
Hello! While making final changes to my submission on Pike (John Pike Powers) Powers, the article was somehow deleted. Is there a way I can recover the draft? I would appreciate any help you can provide. This has been months of learning. Thank you!! Raye Ward

Reward3 (talk) 14:43, 11 May 2023 (UTC)


 * @Reward3: you already asked about this earlier. There's no record of deleted files in your edit count. And you seem to have only created one draft, Draft:Pike Powers, so it doesn't look like you could be mixing up different drafts.
 * That's assuming you've been editing while logged in, and only using your Reward3 account?-- DoubleGrazing (talk) 15:03, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello, DoubleGrazing -- I found it! And yes, but I lost it again thru an inadvertent redirect that occurred when one device malfunctioned and I had to switch to another. But I believe I resubmitted, and once again, my heart-felt thanks for you patience and readiness to assist. Raye Ward Reward3 (talk) 15:11, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Your draft has two sections which are entirely unreferenced, whilst the topic is notable it would help if it was correctly sourced. Theroadislong (talk) 15:15, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

17:33, 11 May 2023 review of submission by 192.126.104.5
Hello! I made some revisions to this and hope it will be accepted. Can you verify that I properly submitted the edits? 192.126.104.5 (talk) 17:33, 11 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi IP, there are few issues. Mainly, it is not clear really what the topic is.  It starts out about a tweet (that quote way too long and may be a copyright violation) with an unreliable source, BoredPanda, which should not be used.  Sources vary from talking about substack (not bars, nor a tweet), to the punk scene (not bars, not the tweet, and see Nazi punk). another about a video game (not a bar nor a tweet and also not a reliable source), then the last source again about the tweet, also from yet another unreliable source.  There are no source that mentions "The Parable of the Nazi Bar". S0091 (talk) 18:33, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
 * The topic appears to be an Internet meme, essentially. I think the best outcome is a merge to paradox of tolerance if an actual reliable source mentions it, because it essentially means the same thing. "Be afraid to stop bad people and they will take over". ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 05:52, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

18:10, 11 May 2023 review of submission by Sanasante0
Would like to further understand why the article was deleted. I got two very different reasons between reviewers. I spent several hours assembling everything and the citations so this is definitely frustrating. The company has citations from Visa, MANY from Mastercard, Pymnts, and Forbes. They are also found across Crunchbase, Golden, Zoominfo, and Wikidata. Happy to make additional edits but to straight up have the article deleted is frustrating and makes me not want to bother trying to contribute in the future. Sanasante0 (talk) 18:10, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
 * @Sanasante0, I am unable to see the deleted draft however it looks to have been deleted because it was overtly promotional in tone and copied verbatim from a press release. Both of which are a huge no no here on Wikipedia as per WP:WHATNOT. Of the possible sources you listed above none would be good places to find sources to support notability. Since this is your first thing you attempted to do on Wikipedia I would suggest perhaps you look at existing articles and make some minor fixes and changes to learn the ropes more. Article creation is the most difficult task to undertake here especially if you have not looked at or understand the policies on the site. You can read through WP:YFA to see a guide. McMatter (talk)/(contrib) 18:27, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Ok I will work to correct the oversight on the PR and thank you for your constructive feedback as it is well received. In terms of Notability, the company in question is 1 of only 4 Payment Processors for Mastercard SEND in Canada and 1 of only 10 in the US Market. Direct connectors in the Payments world are very rare and it is a very big deal. Examples of Direct Processors are Stripe, Square, Paypal, and Oracle. Would this not be notable? I see smaller companies in the Payments world that are on Wikipedia. Sanasante0 (talk) 18:34, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
 * @Sanasante0, has any reliable independent sources written about the company on their own accord? If not then an article will not be possible at this time. If so then the article needs to be based off those sources and in your own words. I wouldn't even start without a minimum of 3 reliable independent sources to build the article off. WP:ORGCRIT is our standard for establishing notability, not what the company does or how many others do it. It is quite strictly and heavily enforced, the reviewers are generally quite adept at picking out the press releases and routine business announcements. McMatter (talk)/(contrib) 18:46, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
 * If you could entertain one last question from me.
 * Most of the independent sources that have written about the company are related to rewriting of PR syndications from Mastercard. There have been several industry publications around a handful of events. When companies like Mastercard or Visa publish news most of the major financial outlets either resyndicate or republish the content in their own words. Considering this is how news/events become mainstream would these not be sources? Sanasante0 (talk) 19:09, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Hey, it looks like I answered my own question. I missed your link to WP:ORGCRIT. Reviewing it now Sanasante0 (talk) 19:20, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Ok so after fully reviewing WP:ORGCRIT - Could you please take a look at the following sources and let me know if these would be considered viable.
 * 1. https://goodmenproject.com/the-good-life/money-the-good-life/open-banking-digital-transformation-in-fintech-canadas-aptpay-revolutionizes-the-global-payment-industry/
 * 2. https://www.techtimes.com/articles/267435/20211102/the-president-of-aptpay-suganthan-vishnu-krisnarajah-made-headlines-with-the-news-on-partnering-with-nrt-technology.htm
 * 3. https://thecanadian.news/aptpay-launches-first-digital-payments-gaming-client-in-canada/
 * 4. https://www.nasdaq.com/articles/aptpay-to-integrate-mastercard-send-into-its-platform-quick-facts-2020-08-19
 * 5. https://www.bloomberg.com/press-releases/2020-08-19/mastercard-and-aptpay-speed-disbursements-across-multiple-industries Sanasante0 (talk) 19:48, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
 * @Sanasante0 those are either press releases/announcements emanating from the company (I mean, Bloobmburg says "press-release" in the link so clearly useless per ORGCRIT) and/or not reliable sources. Also we will not go through a back-and-forth looking at various sources here.  If you want to create a new draft to submit for review, you can but I honestly think you will be wasting your time and the time of volunteer editors, especially if the above is the best you could find after reading ORGCRIT.  In addition, you were instructed on your talk page not edit further until you address WP:PAID which is a requirement.  S0091 (talk) 20:08, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

22:58, 11 May 2023 review of submission by Darioivweb
I think my article is well-written and informative. It is comprehensive and covers all aspects of the topic of roof scuppers. It is also factual and based on evidence. I do not see any reason why it would be considered contrary to the purpose of Wikipedia.

The only thing that I might change is the title of the article. The current title, "Roof Scupper," is a bit too general. I would suggest changing it to something like "Roof Scupper: A Drainage System for Flat Roofs." This would make it clear to readers what the article is about.

Plesae help me modify the title and help approve it Darioivweb (talk) 22:58, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
 * It reads exactly like it would if you were adverting roof scuppers for sale. It looks like a marketing pitch. That is why it is contrary to the purpose of Wikipedia. This is an encyclopedia, not an advertisement platform - Rich T&#124;C&#124;E-Mail 00:15, 12 May 2023 (UTC)