Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk/Archives/2023 May 12

= May 12 =

00:47, 12 May 2023 review of submission by Filmforme
Would like another opinion on this person for WP:NMODEL and WP:NACTOR. As a model, they have significant coverage from reliable secondary sources, independent of the subject. As an actor, they only have RS mentions for significant roles in notable films. Filmforme (talk) 00:47, 12 May 2023 (UTC)


 * @Filmforme: are you suggesting that the reviewer declined the draft frivolously or erroneously? If so, I suggest you take this up with them.
 * Alternatively (and this would be my recommended course of action), take the review in the constructive spirit in which it was no doubt intended, and improve those aspects which were the reasons for declining; then resubmit, and you will get your second opinion (you can always ask the earlier reviewer to skip it, should it come up before them again).
 * Of course, if you're convinced that this article warrants publication, then you can move it into the main space past the AfC yourself, given that you have extended confirmed rights. NPP will then run the ruler over it and take whatever action they see fit (which may include sending it back to drafts, or moving for deletion). Best, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 08:51, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
 * @DoubleGrazing Thanks for the information. I'm thinking about resubmitting and asking the previous reviewer to pass on it. I'm convinced it should be published, but most of the time, I incubate drafts until another user says it's fine. There are exceptions when a subject has more than enough coverage. In this case though, most of the coverage is not in English, and is from print that is decades old. Under that circumstance, I am unsure if AfC is the best path. – Filmforme (talk) 13:34, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
 * @Filmforme if you resubmit it, I suggest adding a note on the talk page with WP:THREE. If you do that, let me know and I will add a comment letting the next reviewer know to look at the talk page.  S0091 (talk) 13:50, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
 * @S0091 Thanks, I have pinged you. Filmforme (talk) 22:04, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
 * @S0091 Well that didn’t work. All I want is another opinion, and the same user keeps declining it. They seem to have made up their mind that I have bias here. Filmforme (talk) 15:10, 13 May 2023 (UTC)
 * @Filmforme Based on the comments, @Lewolka has given it a fair assessment. Like DoubleGrazing said above, you can move it to main space and take your chances there. S0091 (talk) 18:14, 13 May 2023 (UTC)
 * @Filmforme I left new comments here, I read all the sources you provided (for the record I happen to be fluent in French) and I really can't see how she could pass  notability, I even searched for extra references as I often do that with potential articles but there's nothing there. It is looking a lot like a vanity page and I doubt it would last on the main space, I also find it odd that you started the article about her husband's one and only film. Lewolka (talk) 16:59, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

00:55, 12 May 2023 review of submission by LarryBright14
Hello, I am a Star Wars fan trying to update the page for Skeleton Crew by adding a separate page for actor Ravi Cabot-Conyers who stars in the upcoming series and has notable credits. Please advise on how to do this properly. Thank you.

I see others have tried to do this in the past for this acrtor would it help if I deleted their entry writing and just wrote my own based on internet articles about the child actor Ravi Cabot-Conyers, like that I see oof his co-star Ryan Kiera Armstrong or Jude Law and his Encanto, etc co-stars? LarryBright14 (talk) 01:44, 12 May 2023 (UTC)


 * @LarryBright14: this has been deleted twice, and the latest version declined no fewer than ten times over the past year. I see very little reason in even trying to revive this time sink.
 * But let's say you had suddenly discovered several really solid, hitherto-unknown sources which demonstrate WP:GNG notability beyond any doubt. Your best, indeed only, course of action would be to approach the reviewer who rejected this draft, and make your case to them. DoubleGrazing (talk) 05:31, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
 * @DoubleGrazing the reviewer who rejected the draft is blocked for being a sock. @LarryBright14 I took a look but agree with the reject. None of the sources meet WP:GNG as they do not provide in-depth coverage about him.  I believe this is a case of WP:TOOSOON.  S0091 (talk) 14:11, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Good catch, @S0091; I hadn't realised. Thanks for flagging that up. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 14:18, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
 * @DoubleGrazing you might consider installing the gadget in Preferences that displays blocked users with a strike through (its under the Appearance section, "Strike out usernames that have been blocked"). S0091 (talk) 14:23, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

14:31, 12 May 2023 review of submission by Gabrielhussein503
London Gabrielhussein503 (talk) 14:31, 12 May 2023 (UTC)


 * @Gabrielhussein503: you don't ask a question, but as pointed out earlier, this draft has been rejected and will not be considered further.
 * Please don't start multiple threads on this. Thank you. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 14:34, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

14:56, 12 May 2023 review of submission by Gabrielhussein503
London Gabrielhussein503 (talk) 14:56, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

15:06, 12 May 2023 review of submission by Msoutelo
So to you the migos page is more suitable and looks less like self-promotion. It is just another proof that some people are privileged just because they are signed to a major label. This is very regrettable not only for the artist that has dedicated their whole life to their craft but to the whole world. Ridiculous. Msoutelo (talk) 15:06, 12 May 2023 (UTC)


 * @msoutelo: maybe don't write about yourself. lettherebedarklight晚安 15:12, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
 * @Msoutelo: I've no idea what you're on about. Did you have a question you wanted to ask, or are you just venting? -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 15:12, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

16:42, 12 May 2023 review of submission by Iliochori2
I've just founded a Reliable sources for this article. Please when you have spare of time check if its. In the worst scenario let me know what type of sources you require in order to complete the article. Regards Iliochori2 (talk) 16:42, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

19:21, 12 May 2023 review of submission by Gevorg Ghazaryan
Hello everyone. I am requesting assistance for the article mentioned above. I tried to reach out to the reviewer of the draft but didn't get an answer from them. I am asking you if you could give me proper feedback on the draft. The company is a watch and jewelry retailer in the United States and has been working for over 40 years. I included some sources again, even though they kept being deleted by an admin. If you will have time, please also have a look at the history of the article because some of the sources and material have been deleted by a moderator. Please reach out to me for any further questions. i can also try to find some more sources or book/publication mentions if necessary. Thank you! Gevorg Ghazaryan (talk) 19:21, 12 May 2023 (UTC)


 * @Gevorg Ghazaryan: launching a website a decade before the web was invented is certainly impressive. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 19:34, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
 * DoubleGrazing, I am sorry, it was a mistake:) I was lost in words after changing the article so much. Could you please have a look at it again? Thanks--Gevorg Ghazaryan (talk) 20:26, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

20:56, 12 May 2023 review of submission by Gemmaeng1
Tried to make an article about this celebrity photographer however had seen there was already one created but had been deleted. I requested it to be restored. Since it was originally denied the individual has become more notable (Named on the forbes 30 under 30 list) therefore have made edits accordingly also changed around some wording as it seemed very 'personal' Gemmaeng1 (talk) 20:56, 12 May 2023 (UTC)


 * I'm requesting assistance for the article above as I would like to get it published and continue to update the subject as his career progresses. Thank you! Gemmaeng1 (talk) 20:59, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
 * @Gemmaeng1 Forbes "30 under 30" and other such lists do not contribute to notability.  S0091 (talk) 21:04, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Ok thanks, totally understand. I have included more work from the subject which I believe to be notable. Would you be able to review the article? Gemmaeng1 (talk) 21:11, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I have taken a look and since its last assessment, nothing has changed from a notability perspective. More "content" to the article is meaningless and honestly most of it needs to be stripped because most it is sourced to, at best, poor sources and some to unreliable sources. S0091 (talk) 21:21, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

21:03, 12 May 2023 review of submission by Redredhen
I got declined and I am wondering why Redredhen (talk) 21:03, 12 May 2023 (UTC)


 * See your talk page (User talk:Redredhen). S0091 (talk) 21:22, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
 * , your draft is nowhere near to meeting the standards for an acceptable Wikipedia article. It is written in all bold for some unknown reason, mentions your birthday for no good reason, consistently misspells the simple word "planet", and is both poorly written and poorly referenced. Cullen328 (talk) 06:24, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

21:31, 12 May 2023 review of submission by Inthisdream
Hello,

I'm trying to revive a page about an artist that was removed a long time ago at the behest of the artist's team. This is a page that fully existed and was accepted by Wikipedia. Now I'm trying to revive it and wiki won't allow me to do so even though the artist has more notoriety now than he did when the original page was published years ago. I get a response saying it doesn't meet the notoriety requirements, but again, it already existed as a wiki page. Inthisdream (talk) 21:31, 12 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi @Inthisdream the fact it existed previously matters not as even then maybe it did not meet the notability guidelines. The logs do not indicate it ever passed a review.  Either way, the draft has to show Price meets the notability guidelines for musicians and after three reviews by three different reviewers, the draft has failed the criteria which leads to the conclusion Price simply cannot meet the notability criteria, at least at this time.  S0091 (talk) 21:51, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi @Inthisdream the fact it existed previously matters not as even then maybe it did not meet the notability guidelines. The logs do not indicate it ever passed a review.  Either way, the draft has to show Price meets the notability guidelines for musicians and after three reviews by three different reviewers, the draft has failed the criteria which leads to the conclusion Price simply cannot meet the notability criteria, at least at this time.  S0091 (talk) 21:51, 12 May 2023 (UTC)