Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk/Archives/2023 May 17

= May 17 =

04:15, 17 May 2023 review of submission by Yorkmich23
My page keeps getting rejected. I have numerous articles that mention my name, background, experience in the music industry, and current role as a Managing Partner for Range Media Partners - a leading management and production firm in Hollywood with a numerous list of A-List clients. Is there any chance this can be reconsidered? I've been trying to get this approved for a very long time. Yorkmich23 (talk) 04:15, 17 May 2023 (UTC)


 * See WP:YOURSELF. There’s a reason we discourage writing about yourself. By the way, are you using multiple accounts? “You” have been trying to get it approved yet not the author of the article? Using multiple accounts is strictly prohibited. You also are not notable for our project. Most of your mentions are from articles not actually discussing you and certainly not in sufficient depth. We don’t care what role you have either. You need to be the subject of significant coverage in multiple reliable sources of sufficient depth to have a biography written about you by someone. The rejection is final. Thanks. — MaxnaCarta  ( 💬 • 📝 ) 12:44, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
 * (Amendment: Multiple accounts are usually strictly prohibited unless for certain reasons I doubt this editor is making use of) — MaxnaCarta  ( 💬 • 📝 ) 12:45, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your reply. I'm not sure how i'm using multiple accounts? I've only had access to this one that I'm currently using. I'd sincerely appreciate any help here as this is for my boss, Evan Winiker. Who is the author of the article, if it wasn't our account? In regards to significant coverage, if you type "Evan Winiker" on google, you'll see numerous articles published by Billboard, People Magazine, Harper's Bazaar, Cosmopolitan, and Variety - specifically about him and his background. Is there any chance of reconsidering as we've been working on this for almost a year? Yorkmich23 (talk) 22:28, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Request on 06:43:22, 17 May 2023 for assistance on AfC submission by Wmydaughter
The draft requires changes. I need assistance to edit or correct the sentences due to which the draft is rejected. The content is genuine and can be published for the readers to know about a philanthropist Wmydaughter (talk) 06:43, 17 May 2023 (UTC)


 * @wmydaughter: sorry, we won't edit your draft for you. lettherebedarklight晚安 06:46, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your prompt reply. I request you to kindly inform the sentences or words which you feel are inappropriate for publishing. This will be greatly appreciated. Wmydaughter (talk) 06:50, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
 * @Wmydaughter: there is little point in starting to go through this with a fine-tooth comb. The entire draft is a promotional vanity piece, poorly referenced (and with half the sources not working, even more so), and with no evidence of notability. As such, I have declined it, and I would suggest that it is significant improved before next submission, lest it be rejected. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 07:42, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

08:00, 17 May 2023 review of submission by TheNewCivilian
My article has been rejected as it seems to be "not adequately supported by reliable sources". I currently have one reliable, secondary, strictly independent paper that talks about the topic in depth, but can't find any other paper that does so (only small mentions, newspaper articles, etc.). As the topic is quite similar to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IDTGV, which seems to not contain any independent source, I now wonder what I need to do to verify the information of my article correctly. TheNewCivilian (talk) 08:00, 17 May 2023 (UTC)


 * @TheNewCivilian: your draft has been declined (not rejected) not just for inadequate referencing but also for the related but separate reason of lack of apparent notability. Per WP:GNG, we would need to see significant coverage in multiple independent and reliable secondary sources for this draft to be accepted (note that these sources can be in a language other than English). With only one such source cited, this will again be declined.
 * Modelling your drafts on other, existing articles is a mistake (an understandable one, but a mistake all the same), as you may be trying to emulate ones that themselves have problems. You need to work with reference to the currently applicable guidelines and policies instead, most notably the core requirements of verifiability and notability. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 08:56, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
 * @DoubleGrazing: Thank you for your in depth explanation! I will further try to find sources that fit the General notability guideline requirements. I am currently still struggling to find more scientific work, that mentions more details about TrenOK.
 * I am still confused if i.g.
 * - [Https://www.ferrovie.info/index.php/it/30-la-ferrovia-che-scompare/4151-ferrovie-il-trenok-il-primo-servizio-ferroviario-low-cost-d-europa fan reports]
 * - [Https://www.trademarkelite.com/europe/trademark/trademark-detail/004170271/TrenOK-com Trademark records]
 * - YouTube videos
 * or news article could work as reference and if so under what circumstances? TheNewCivilian (talk) 11:44, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
 * @TheNewCivilian: I'm not quite sure what the first source you've listed is, but it doesn't look entirely suitable to me. The trademark record can be used to verify the existence and details of the trademark, but that in itself doesn't mean much. YouTube is just a platform, so the quality of any material hosted there depends on the source behind it (as in, a report by eg. Rai News meets the GNG standard, a video of the uploader's dog chasing the Bigfoot doesn't). HTH, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 07:57, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

08:57, 17 May 2023 review of submission by AAkash Kumar Karate
I have submitted an article but it has been deleted. i am not sure why i have given all the details correct also is it compulsory to mention the reference. AAkash Kumar Karate (talk) 08:57, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

11:00, 17 May 2023 review of submission by Williamhenryincedo
Hello, I have written an article about Incedo Inc. and sent it for review on 11-May-2023. However, I am unable to verify its current state. Could you please assist here? Williamhenryincedo (talk) 11:00, 17 May 2023 (UTC)


 * It got deleted because it was blatant advertising. Please stop trying to recreate the article. We don’t publish promotional pieces on companies. Thanks. — MaxnaCarta  ( 💬 • 📝 ) 12:37, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

11:11, 17 May 2023 review of submission by Darasimi2019
i don't know why it shows rejected and it is a notable company Darasimi2019 (talk) 11:11, 17 May 2023 (UTC)


 * No it’s not notable, you’ve been told many times why yet continued to submit the article anyway. It’s now rejected and will never be considered further. Please let this go. It isn’t right for us. Sorry. — MaxnaCarta  ( 💬 • 📝 ) 12:36, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

14:40, 17 May 2023 review of submission by GoldGaming
Why was this draft deleted? GoldGaming (talk) 14:40, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

15:23:56, 17 May 2023 review of draft by SCS1934
I have inadvertently created a duplicate title, because pages already exist about other people with the same name as my subject: Rboert Poole (Historian) etc. Mine should be Robert Poole (Industrialist). I cannot figure out how to change the title now that the article is ready for submission. Please tell me how to change the title. I believe I am autoconfirmed and should be able to submit my article without review, but I seem unable to do so because of the article title duplication problem.

SCS1934 (talk) 15:23, 17 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi @SCS1934 no problem! I moved it (read that for instructions) for you to Draft:Robert Poole (industrialist).   When you are ready to publish it, you can move it to article space and if needed, change the title then as well. S0091 (talk) 16:18, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your guidance and assistance in correctly re-naming the article on Robert Poole. As you instructed, I have moved it to Article Space, and the corrected title appears there as well. Unfortunately, the article is still showing as needing review. I thought I was autoconfirmed and could therefore publish it directly. Can you help me figure out what else I need to do in order to avoid waiting months for a review by other editors? Thank you. SCS1934. SCS1934 (talk) 14:53, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
 * @SCS1934 you did it correctly and you can remove that template at the top about it being created via AfC. It's not uncommon to have "leftover" things when moving from draft space that you have to cleanup.  S0091 (talk) 15:05, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your prompt reply about my article on Robert Poole, but I have no idea how to remove the template using AfC. Could I trouble you for a bit more guidance? SCS1934 (talk) 15:12, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
 * @SCS1934 click edit, then select the template, then hit the delete key on your keyboard. Easy! :) S0091 (talk) 15:16, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you! Done! I very much appreciate your assistance. SCS1934 (talk) 15:18, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello
I am very confused. The article I am working on is long, it contains a good amount of information, and has multiple links. I met the person once but I am not sure why that is a problem. Can someone help?

Debbie Critchfield Petjayso (talk) 15:56, 17 May 2023 (UTC)


 * No clue how my article did not get through and this one did Petjayso (talk) 15:59, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
 * @Petjayso: your draft wasn't accepted because it fails (and has failed, repeatedly) to demonstrate that the subject is notable according to the WP:GNG standard of notability. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 06:52, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you! Does that mean that if i fix it up, it will get accepted? I am still confused, as this one got accepted with a single citation Petjayso (talk) 13:18, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
 * @Petjayso: it means that if you add sources which are sufficient to meet the GNG notability standard, then yes, the draft could get accepted.
 * I don't know why you're comparing this draft, on a US politician, against any existing article, least of all one on a village in Poland? But if it helps: populated places can be inherently notable, per WP:GEOLAND; and in any case, that article was created 15 years ago (by a bot, at that) when the guidelines and requirements were almost certainly different. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 13:31, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I chose the village in Poland because it came up 3rd try on a random generator. Petjayso (talk) 22:20, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

This is a person who holds statewide elected office. (While not a good ref, https://ballotpedia.org/Idaho_Superintendent_of_Public_Instruction shows that it is.) Given that, I would personally accept this article if there was a *single* external link, either a state newspaper indicating that she was elected, *or* a state owned website for the position indicating she held that. Her predecessor has a page (and I don't think that falls under WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS.Naraht (talk) 13:52, 18 May 2023 (UTC)


 * FWIW, I think that's quite a generous interpretation of WP:NPOL; just because the USA elects for many positions which elsewhere would be appointed civil service, I don't think should mean they're all inherently notable (especially in a post which itself doesn't have an article, therefore making it more difficult to argue it is particularly notable either). But fine, if someone wants to accept this on that basis, let them. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 14:02, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I frankly feel that refusal to create/or deleting it because elsewhere it is a civil service office would be clearly against WP:NPOL. (No article, but there is a category Category:Superintendents of Public Instruction of Idaho. Naraht (talk) 14:20, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I fixed it up this morning. Petjayso (talk) 22:21, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
 * If I were to submit it again would you accept it? Do you have the authority? Prob not Petjayso (talk) 22:24, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
 * It has been submitted. Right now Debbie Critchfield is a redirect to her predecessor, I've requested it be deleted for the move. (Basially when the link to the mainspace page goes red, I can move it.Naraht (talk) 02:40, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Right now have reached out to both the administrator who turned down the removal of the redirect and the person who just rejected it. At worst, more references are needed, but qualifying under NPOL is a hill that I'll die on.Naraht (talk) 13:23, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

16:07, 17 May 2023 review of submission by Kenny093
I don’t get what the problem is? Kenny093 (talk) 16:07, 17 May 2023 (UTC)


 * @Kenny093: as the last reviewer says, the sources are insufficient to support the contents, or to establish the subject's notability. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 06:50, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

18:00, 17 May 2023 review of submission by Kampasbill
why my draft is rejected?the article was published by its author. He gave me the right to upload it? What do I need to send you to be sure it's not a copy? Kampasbill (talk) 18:00, 17 May 2023 (UTC)


 * @Kampasbill it was rejected as contrary to the purpose of Wikipedia, not because it was a copyright violation, however it may be deleted because it is. McMatter (talk)/(contrib) 18:03, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

18:28, 17 May 2023 review of submission by Advm pb
I have written the article from neutral point of view. I have also added inline and external references. I did a thorough research before writing and submitting this article. I am not understanding what more should i do for verifying this page. I wish someone could help me with exactly what changes to be done. Advm pb (talk) 18:28, 17 May 2023 (UTC)


 * (User indeffed) -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 06:48, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

19:50, 17 May 2023 review of submission by Jovial script
why did you get rid Jovial script (talk) 19:50, 17 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Nothing has been got rid of, yet, but give us a mo... -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 06:47, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I have deleted the draft. It was nonsense. Cullen328 (talk) 07:10, 18 May 2023 (UTC)