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= May 19 =

03:34, 19 May 2023 review of submission by 크리에이팁
Hello, This is Creatip. We want upload ourselves on Wikipedia, so we to know what information should be changed, to upload on Wikipedia.

Thank you. 크리에이팁 (talk) 03:34, 19 May 2023 (UTC)


 * (User indeffed) -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 05:41, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

07:36, 19 May 2023 review of submission by Homelol12345
how to make my wiki popular Homelol12345 (talk) 07:36, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello, . This Roblox game is not notable and not eligible for a Wikipefia article. Promotion is not allowed on Wikipedia. Please go promote this game on other websites that allow promotional activity. Not here. Cullen328 (talk) 07:42, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

09:27, 19 May 2023 review of submission by Bibergroupie
Rejection criteria Draft:Marko E. Weigert compared to Toula Limnaios Hi, I modelled my draft Draft:Marko E. Weigert on the article Toula Limnaios and it would seem to me that there’s no substantial difference between the notability of these two persons - is the only criteria difference between them the fact that there are articles about Limnaios in other languages? Bibergroupie (talk) 09:27, 19 May 2023 (UTC)


 * @Bibergroupie: you shouldn't be modelling your draft on any existing article (with the possible exception of one rated Good), but instead following the relevant guidelines and policies. In this case, you specifically need to show that the subject is notable, either by the general WP:GNG standard, or a special one such as WP:CREATIVE. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 09:39, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello, . You modeled your draft on an entirely unreferenced biography of a living person, an article that is ten years old, in poor condition, and at significant risk of being deleted. That article is a policy violation. I suggest, instead, that you model your efforts on Good articles and Featured articles. Wikipedia has over 6.6 million articles, and at least a million or more are in very poor condition. We do not need any more new articles that are in very poor condition. We want high quality articles. Cullen328 (talk) 09:47, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
 * As for the existence of articles about this person in other language versions of Wikipedia, such articles are of no significance on English Wikipedia, except to the extent that they identify reliable, independent published sources that devote significant coverage to the person. That is all we care about when assessing the suitability of a biographical article. Cullen328 (talk) 09:54, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

09:40, 19 May 2023 review of submission by Sujeetrao60
why my article is rejected? Sujeetrao60 (talk) 09:40, 19 May 2023 (UTC)


 * @Sujeetrao60: it wasn't rejected (which would mean you couldn't resubmit), only declined. And the reasons for this are given in the decline notice, namely that the draft was insufficiently referenced, and didn't provide evidence of the subject's notability. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 09:43, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

09:43, 19 May 2023 review of submission by Surojit mondal memes
As mentioned in the decline notice, that this page does not has sufficient content to have page of its own, but the topic was in the position of 58th of most wanted Wikipedia Page. And that was the main reason why I made time to actually write this article. Please look into this matter. Thanks. Surojit mondal memes (talk) 09:43, 19 May 2023 (UTC)


 * @Surojit mondal memes: more to the point, the decline notice also says that this topic is covered in an existing article, HTTP 404, and any new salient content could/should be merged into that (with this title acting as a redirect to it). -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 09:52, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I have already added the History part, Causes and the Reasons in the HTTP 404 page. Thanks for your cooperation:) Surojit mondal memes (talk) 09:56, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

10:09, 19 May 2023 review of submission by Alan347
Hi guys. I can't understand what the problem with my inline citations is !!! Alan347 (talk) 10:09, 19 May 2023 (UTC)


 * @Alan347: the problem is that there aren't enough of them. The first citation comes c. ⅔ down, leaving the first half of the draft entirely unsupported. In articles on living people, all material statements, anything potentially contentions, and all private personal details must be clearly referenced by citations to reliable published sources. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 10:33, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

16:12, 19 May 2023 review of submission by Piano123piano
I was trying to make a translated version of the Spanish article https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athenas_(cantante). I thought since it was already out there in Spanish, it would work in English.

What do you recommend? I know you mentioned having reliable sources. The Spanish article includes several sources from renowned media outlets in Spanish, and those are the same references I kept for the English article.

These outlets include Billboard Argentina, a Spanish version of Billboard magazine with a monthly reach of more than 10 million visits across platforms.

Also from La Nación, Argentina's most famous newspaper.

From ACI Prensa, a catholic news portal in Spanish part of the EWTN network, with more than 3.2 million unique monthly visitors and 3 million followers on social networks

From Aleteia, also a huge catholic news portal in Spanish, with nearly 650,000 registered to the newsletter and over 3,600,000 fans on Facebook, it reaches more than 15 million unique visitors per month.

And many more.

Aren't those references good enough?

And if there are any references that should be taken out, just let me know.

Another question: if the article should be shorter, can you help me know what should I exclude?

Thank you! Piano123piano (talk) 16:12, 19 May 2023 (UTC)


 * @Piano123piano: I haven't looked at the sources in any detail, but just to explain that it isn't enough to have reliable and independent sources, these sources must also provide significant coverage of the subject in question. With that in mind, perhaps you could highlight the three sources that are strongest, ie. most clearly meet the WP:GNG criteria? -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 16:27, 19 May 2023 (UTC)


 * @DoubleGrazing
 * Here are just some of the many respected sources used for the article:
 * https://billboard.com.ar/athenas-recibe-nominacion-al-latin-grammy/
 * https://caras.perfil.com/noticias/celebridades/que-fue-de-la-vida-de-athenas-venica-de-ktrask-cantante-religiosa-mama-y-nominada-a-los-latin-grammy.phtml
 * https://www.cronica.com.ar/sociedad/La-nueva-vida-de-Athenas-Venica-causo-furor-en-Cantanino-se-fue-a-Estados-Unidos-y-la-nominaron-a-los-Grammy-20230221-0047.html
 * https://www.mdzol.com/sociedad/2022/11/13/quien-es-athenas-la-cantante-argentina-que-brilla-en-latinoamerica-que-aun-no-descubren-en-el-pais-290459.html
 * https://www.pronto.com.ar/espectaculos/2015/4/28/asi-estan-hoy-las-chicas-de-ktrask-la-banda-surgida-de-cantanino-97130.html
 * https://www.lanacion.com.ar/espectaculos/se-entregan-los-premios-martin-fierro-nid501079/
 * Also, you should note that her relevance is due to her succeeding in the music industry twice: first as a member of the child group KtrasK when she was 10, and again as a young adult as a christian artist.
 * Let me know if you need me to deepen on any other subject to prove the relevance of her article being on Wikipedia Piano123piano (talk) 18:52, 19 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Please do not edit your own posts after someone has responded to them, and be very careful not to remove anyone else's posts! I have restored the post that DoubleGrazing responded to, as well as DoubleGrazing's post. Regards, --bonadea contributions talk 20:41, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello @Bonadea sorry about making those edits. I just saw your comments on the draft, and I made the changes you asked for. Since you mentioned the previous edits asked by @Cabrils, you should know that the subject has made it twice in the music industry: 1st as a child celebrity, and her success as such in Argentina and Uruguay is well documented online, and in the wiki draft. 2nd, she succeeded as a christian artist, being nominated to the Latin Grammy, touring internationally, and having a huge following on social media and music streaming platforms. There are very few solo female artists in the christian music industry that have numbers comparable to hers, including English and Portuguese speaking artists. I don't know why you all insist in her not being notable... I wonder if has something to do with her being hispanic and female... maybe if she was a white male dude no one would oppose her article being on wikipedia... Piano123piano (talk) 19:05, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
 * @Piano123piano accusing editors of bias will get your nowhere. Keep in mind editors here are from around the world and/or have interest in various global topics. No one is insisting Athenas is not notable.  It was declined once, as the sources at that time did not demonstrate notability but could be resubmitted with improvement, rather than rejected, meaning the subject has truly been deemed not notable therefore will no longer be considered  S0091 (talk) S0091 (talk) 20:47, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
 * @Piano123piano I second the comment by @S0091. As the reviewer who declined to accept the draft, I would encourage you to absorb my lengthy, and I think helpful and constructive comment I posted on the draft, in which I conclude "If you feel you can meet these requirements then resubmit the page and ping me and I would be happy to reassess". I remain happy to assess a revised draft. Cabrils (talk) 02:12, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello @Cabrils, I apologize if my words were poorly chosen. It’s just I’m a big fan of Athenas’ music, and too often I’ve seen her being marginalized and not being recognized for her outstanding work, only because she doesn’t fit the “pop star” stereotype of today - in spite of having much better statistics and awards than more “established” singers of today in Latin America.
 * anyway, I’ve carefully read your comments and tried my best to modify the draft. I kindly ask you to review it again and let me know if it’s ok or if there is anything else I should make better. Piano123piano (talk) 15:28, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I understand. In reality, Wikipedia is governed by guidelines which by far most experienced editors abide, whereby personal knowledge of the subject of a draft page is probably rare and effectively irrelevant. A poorly drafted page of a notorious subject is just as likely to be rejected.
 * I've reassessed the draft and I think that meets the submission requirements. Bare in mind that Wikipedia is open source and the page is perpetually open to amendments. I would encourage you to create a User Page if you intend to continue editing here as it will make it much more efficient to communicate with others and have them communicate with you. All the best. Cabrils (talk) 23:04, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much @Cabrils! I really appreciate that. I have just one more question: this English article you just approved is the equivalent of Athenas’ already existing Spanish article. how can those two articles get linked? So that each one becomes as an available language for the other (here’s the link to it https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athenas_(cantante)) Piano123piano (talk) 01:56, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Good question, I'm not sure. Maybe post that on the Teahouse. Cabrils (talk) 02:13, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

16:52, 19 May 2023 review of submission by GLB1938
hello, i submitted an article on behalf of my boss but it was denied. how do i get it approved. i dont understand these instructions. GLB1938 (talk) 16:52, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Please read WP:BOSS and have your boss read it too. You will need to change your username, as you can't use his name and year as your name, go to Special:GlobalRenameRequest. You will also need to make the terms of use required paid editing disclosure. Wikipedia is not a place to tell about someone and their accomplishments, it is a place to summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about the person, showing how they meet the special Wikipedia definition of a notable person? 331dot (talk) 17:34, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
 * , your draft biography of a living person is entirely unreferenced, which is a policy violation. In its current form, it fails Verifiability, which is a core content policy. An acceptable Wikipedia biography of Ball would summarize the significant coverage that reliable sources that are entirely independent of Ball devote to him. Wikipedia has negligible interest in what Ball says about himself. You should read and study Your first article and Referencing for beginners. Cullen328 (talk) 04:24, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your response. I went back and changed the user name. I also am trying to cite/reference but I do not see how to link this. please help. is there a simple step by step? AMW01091 (talk) 16:30, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
 * : I see that, perhaps due to your conflict of interest, you omit any mention of the scandals associated with the subject that are mentioned by several reliable news websites that are found after just a few seconds searching his name online. Sources, stating both the good and the bad, need to be added to all information that could be questioned, in order to verify the statements are backed up by reliable sources. Also see WP:CITE and after that WP:CIT to see how to make inline citations of the sources you choose to use. ww2censor (talk) 17:03, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
 * again thank you, and no not due to any conflict of interest I wasn't trying to omit any facts. I'm only trying to understand how to submit an article. I have not summited an article before so I have many questions. I am only trying to submit a small summary of who this person is, not his life story. Do I then not need to mention any of the companies that he worked with/for? Just looking for help. Thanks. AMW01091 (talk) 17:47, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

22:03, 19 May 2023 review of submission by Petjayso
The reason my article was recently declined is that the subject shows a "lack of notability" like, why? Her predecessor has an article and so did the dude before her. Andddd the lady before him. WHY? If she is famous because of an office she is holding, and her predecessors had articles, then why is she being declined? Petjayso (talk) 22:03, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
 * , this person is probably notable but you have failed to show it. High quality reference are like gold (or gemstones for Idaho topics) on Wikipedia, and low quality sources are like sand or gravel that irritate reviewers. What is required are references to reliable published sources entirely independent of Critchfield that devote significant coverage to her. Tom Luna has 35 references that appear to be mostly of high quality. Sherri Ybarra has 15 good references. Your draft has six references, only one of which appears to be of halfway decent quality. So, if you build your draft by summarizing references of the quality of those in the Luna article, then your draft will be accepted, and you will avoid writing something silly in the lead like  when it is clear that this job has nothing to do with her notability, which derives entirely from the statewide elected office that she won. Focus on what is important, not on trivialities. Cullen328 (talk) 04:15, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
 * oh ok Petjayso (talk) 15:33, 20 May 2023 (UTC)