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= May 22 =

01:01, 22 May 2023 review of submission by Rapmarocedit
Hi all, How To move drave intro page ? Rapmarocedit (talk) 01:01, 22 May 2023 (UTC)


 * @rapmarocedit: don't. the draft been rejected and will not be considered further. lettherebedarklight晚安 01:03, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

07:12, 22 May 2023 review of submission by BVECJordan
Hi I have created a page new called patabari Fv everything was done as reliable sources citations from various website But it recently moved to draft What is the reason I want to know about it And how to resubmit it Please tell me anyone the solution BVECJordan (talk) 07:12, 22 May 2023 (UTC)


 * @BVECJordan: not that this is strictly speaking an AfC matter, but – the reason why this article was draftified is given in the move notice posted on your talk page (which you have clearly seen, as you have responded to it), namely that the article did not demonstrate the notability of the subject. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 07:20, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Okay sir
 * Thanks a lot BVECJordan (talk) 07:25, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

07:20, 22 May 2023 review of submission by Susanta108
What am I doing wrong with the article? Susanta108 (talk) 07:20, 22 May 2023 (UTC)


 * @Susanta108: did you read the decline notices and comments? The reviewer is saying the sources don't show that the subject is notable per WP:ORGCRIT. There are several other issues with it, as well, but lack of apparent notability is the main thing keeping it from being accepted.
 * You should also please respond to the COI query posted on your talk page. Thank you. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 07:27, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

08:28, 22 May 2023 review of submission by 2404:4402:23F7:2B00:5D49:1A4D:7F6E:EC8D
my article about kogama was declined.2404:4402:23F7:2B00:5D49:1A4D:7F6E:EC8D (talk) 08:28, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
 * That's correct, the only content was "KOGAMA IS A COMPANY FOUNDED IN 2011 IT IS AN AMAZING WEBSITE" which reads nothing like a potential encyclopaedia article. Theroadislong (talk) 09:10, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

08:29, 22 May 2023 review of submission by Whitelove
Hi, What kind of things do I need to add this page? I wanted to add news souse of a charity concert, but the news souse was not on the web. Thank you. Whitelove (talk) 08:29, 22 May 2023 (UTC)


 * @Whitelove: you need to add sources which show that this organisation is notable per WP:GNG. Currently you have two primary sources, one that doesn't support anything in the draft, and two instances of the same news report about a minor incident, none of which contribute towards notability in the slightest. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 08:58, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

10:30, 22 May 2023 review of submission by Kuldeep Kumar Actor
I need assistance in Article creation. I wrote the entire content in word.

Looking forward for your support. Kuldeep Kumar Actor (talk) 10:30, 22 May 2023 (UTC)


 * @Kuldeep Kumar Actor: if you mean Draft:Kuldeep Kumar, then that draft has been deleted for being both promotional and a likely copyright violation.
 * In any case, you shouldn't be writing about yourself, for all the reasons enumerated at WP:AUTOBIO.
 * In view of all that, what is your question? -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 10:35, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
 * This isn't a place for you to tell about yourself and your career- please do that on social media or a personal website. 331dot (talk) 10:37, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
 * This page is created for Biography of Kuldeep Kumar. I am not telling anything about myself and my career. Please tell me the exact problem and what i have to do to publish this page. Kuldeep Kumar Actor (talk) 12:13, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
 * If you are not Kuldeep Kumar, you will need to change your username at Special:GlobalRenameRequest or WP:CHUS. 331dot (talk) 12:36, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

11:36, 22 May 2023 review of submission by Dani Playà
I don't understand why this draft page it's not ok.

i don`t see the diferencies with this other page. List of tango music labels And that other seems be ok Dani Playà (talk) 11:36, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I've fixed your link, we don't need the whole url. Beware in citing other similar articles with regards to yours, see other stuff exists. It could be that these other articles are also inappropriate, and you would be unaware of this. In this case, I think that is correct. The tango music is is poorly sourced and has few links to other Wikipedia articles. I might suggest that you first discuss the need of such a list at Talk:Record label and see if it could be incorporated into an existing article before attempting to create a new one. 331dot (talk) 11:54, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

12:43, 22 May 2023 review of submission by Ithau23
Hello, Need assistance on the article Ithau23 (talk) 12:43, 22 May 2023 (UTC)


 * @Ithau23: this draft has been rejected and will therefore not be considered further. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 12:49, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

13:11, 22 May 2023 review of submission by WesJoiner
My article was declined, with following statements:

This submission appears to read more like an advertisement than an entry in an encyclopedia. Encyclopedia articles need to be written from a neutral point of view, and should refer to a range of independent, reliable, published sources, not just to materials produced by the creator of the subject being discussed. This is important so that the article can meet Wikipedia's verifiability policy and the notability of the subject can be established. If you still feel that this subject is worthy of inclusion in Wikipedia, please rewrite your submission to comply with these policies.

However, the inline citations are all from external reputable sources (regional, national and international publications). Perhaps the tone of the article was not considered neutral due to the use of affirmative adjectives, thus the reviewer did not actually view the citations.

The references to the artists work has thus been neutralized; presented more objectively. However all citations remain the same as they are all legitimate and DO NOT come from the artist, but DO INDEED come from external sources.

Thank you for your consideration. WesJoiner (talk) 13:11, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
 * The first sentence of your draft is highly promotional. Please read WP:NPOV; articles must be written very matter of factly, very dry, with no embellishment. "Sorg & Napoleon Maddox are a musical duo", for example. It's also not clear to me how they pass WP:BAND. Do you have an association with this duo? 331dot (talk) 13:19, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your reply 331dot
 * Is it more appropriate if I say, "Sorg & Napoleon Maddox are a Hip-hop Electro duet" and eliminate "Sorg & Napoleon Maddox are a musical duo that blends electronic beats with live vocal performance." ?
 * I've changed that, simplified the article and made the overall tone more "matter of fact".
 * I've also seen flags on the draft RE: the external links but none of the links lead to the pages controlled or created by the artists in the article so I don't understand. Please explain.
 * Thank you
 * WJ WesJoiner (talk) 15:31, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

15:04, 22 May 2023 review of submission by HMGelani
I had submitted a detailed draft 2 months ago and I got a notification this week that it has been declined because the subject if this article already exists though that article was directly created a week ago i.e. almost two months after my submission. HMGelani (talk) 15:04, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Submitting a draft about a topic does not mean that other users are barred from creating an article about the topic directly. You are welcome to edit that article. 331dot (talk) 15:09, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the prompt response. I just wanted to clarify the point that a detailed draft submitted for review can be declined for the reason that later same subject article was directly created by someone, instead of helping improve that draft or reviewing it. HMGelani (talk) 15:30, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Then I'm not sure what it is that you are asking for. 331dot (talk) 15:33, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
 * The article already created in main space Sajjad Jani is likely to be deleted as it is VERY poorly sourced. Theroadislong (talk) 15:34, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I read in a recent comment by a reviewer here that a draft was declined because an older draft with same subject was under review, while in my case my draft was declined because someone directly made an article with same subject, after my submission. And as per your observation, that article might get deleted so please guide that what should I do now ? HMGelani (talk) 15:49, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
 * @HMGelani: depends at least partly on whether it is more important for you to have an article on this subject published, or to have an article on this subject created by you published? -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 15:55, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I had researched on the subject and waited for review, in order to have the article published but I am happy to contribute in any way. HMGelani (talk) 16:08, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
 * @HMGelani: okay, in that case I would suggest that you incorporate the salient points and relevant sources from your draft into the published article, to improve and hopefully save it. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 16:36, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
 * The oldest version of the article rather shows that all that data was copied from this draft and then edited to publish as an article DoctorOfData (talk) 09:29, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

15:16, 22 May 2023 review of submission by Priydarshini.R.mujagond
why this page got rejected and what to add in this page Priydarshini.R.mujagond (talk) 15:16, 22 May 2023 (UTC)


 * @Priydarshini.R.mujagond: it didn't get rejected; I declined it, on the basis that another draft on the same topic is already being reviewed. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 15:21, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

16:12:15, 22 May 2023 review of draft by BEB8299
Hello, I am trying to create a page for the AWA wiffle ball league. It looks like it got taken down and I am trying to figure out how to improve it to meet your expectations. I started by using only reliable secondary sources. For the rules, however, I used the actual website as it was the only place for primary information on that matter. Please let me know what else I can do!

BEB8299 (talk) 16:12, 22 May 2023 (UTC)


 * @BEB8299: of the four sources cited, the first only makes a passing mention, the second is a close primary source, and although I cannot access the other two, even if they both provided significant coverage of the subject (AWA Wiffle Ball, specifically), they wouldn't be enough to establish notability, especially if, as you say, the latter one is only a local source. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 16:34, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

17:54, 22 May 2023 review of submission by Betarhobeta
My page has been declined for lack of secondary sources. My sources are proved by links to respected research library catalogs. Like many women artists, Ray did not receive full recognition during her life. Her work is now being recognized and has recently been added to the collections of UCSD Geisel Special collections, The Bancroft Library ad UCBerkeley and the Huntington Library. Chapman University also holds 24 of her paintings. This is significant recognition from secondary sources. Betarhobeta (talk) 17:54, 22 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi @Betarhobeta I am not sure what links to which you are referring but the references are largely her publications which are not independent so cannot be used to establish notability. What is needed is in-depth coverage about her by secondary independent reliable sources.  If some of her works are now receiving critical attention, such as reviews or other analysis, I actually suggest articles about those works first before attempting an article about her.  S0091 (talk) 18:10, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Ray's work is collected by respected institutions such as the Huntington Library. Here is one example of her work on their research archive.
 * https://search-library.ucsd.edu/discovery/fulldisplay?context=L&vid=01UCS_SDI:UCSD&search_scope=ArticlesBooksEtc&tab=ArticleBooksEtc&docid=alma991023606067806535
 * Her work is also in Chapman University's eMuseum and is part of the Escalate collection of Public Art https://chapman.emuseum.com/people/1433/inna-ray
 * Footnote # 8 shows that her Master's Thesis on theology was published as an issue of the Women in Religion of the Berkeley Graduate Theological Union. Betarhobeta (talk) 18:30, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
 * @Betarhobeta there is no footnote #8 in the References section. Hmm...I suggest posting a note at WT:WikiProject Women in Red to seek assistance which is very active project with experienced (and new) editors dedicated to covering women.  S0091 (talk) 18:46, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
 * you are right, it is footnote #6. thank you for the Women in Red contact I will pursue. Betarhobeta (talk) 18:49, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
 * @Betarhobeta fyi, I redirected Draft:Inna Ray to Draft:Inna Jane Ray as there should not be multiple drafts about the same subject. The title can be changed if the draft is accepted.  S0091 (talk) 19:12, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you! I am not sure how I managed to create two drafts. It was not my intent.
 * Inna Jane Ray is the correct title Betarhobeta (talk) 20:18, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

18:08, 22 May 2023 review of submission by HiDot94
Trying to get this draft page deleted so the submission button can comeback when we have better sources but the deletion keeps getting blocked? HiDot94 (talk) 18:08, 22 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi @HiDot94 since you were not the draft's creator, you cannot request it be deleted so another editor removed the deletion request. Why do you want it be deleted?  S0091 (talk) 18:16, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
 * The draft will be automatically marked for deletion after six months of no edits. If you obtain appropriate sources in that time, you may ask the reviewer to reconsider. There is no need to request deletion. 331dot (talk) 18:49, 22 May 2023 (UTC)