Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk/Archives/2023 November 22

= November 22 =

00:56, 22 November 2023 review of submission by Dbolwerk rec
Can you please elaborate exactly what is wrong with this article? I've removed all external links except for one to Dairyland's website which, based on other pages similar to ours that have been published, is acceptable. I've tightened it up so there is no editorializing. I appreciate any additional insight to making this suitable for publication per Wikipedia guidelines. Thank you, in advance. Dbolwerk rec (talk) 00:56, 22 November 2023 (UTC)


 * @Dbolwerk rec: please understand that we don't catalogue every business and other entity that exists, merely because they exist; we publish articles on subjects with notability and encyclopaedic value. There is very little of that even suggested in this draft, and even less evidenced; hence this has been now declined three times for lack of notability. That, in a nutshell, is what's wrong with this.
 * You also appear to have an external relationship with the subject, which needs to be disclosed. I will post a message on your talk page with instructions.
 * And please note that Wikipedia user accounts are strictly for use by a single individual only. I mention that since you imply there may be more than one of you involved in editing this. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 09:06, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello, . You did not even bother to wikilink to Touchstone Energy Cooperative, which might have offered readers some context. But far more important is that vast swathes of your draft are entirely unreferenced, violating the core content policies of Verifiability and No original research. Do you expect readers to read and believe what you wrote just because you say so? A high quality encyclopedia does not work that way. Cullen328 (talk) 09:17, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

08:42, 22 November 2023 review of submission by 5.179.86.61
Let me publish pls. The site is just as relevant as everything else on the platform 5.179.86.61 (talk) 08:42, 22 November 2023 (UTC)


 * This draft has been rejected and will not be considered further. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 09:01, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
 * An entirely unreferenced draft is a policy violation. All such drafts are rejected on sight. Cullen328 (talk)

09:57, 22 November 2023 review of submission by Giltedged
Hi there,

This article was quite involved and quite time consuming to collect detailed reference material on,

Can someone please provide some input as to why this submission needs improvement?

If it is minor, maybe chip in and help finish the article?

Thanks!! Giltedged (talk) 09:57, 22 November 2023 (UTC)


 * The reviewer left a message about the concerns at the top of the draft. We're not here to be co-authors, but you may find a relevant WikiProject that may have editors willing to assist. This individual seems to own a bar and be in the news, but it's not clear how they are notable. They seem to be New Zealand's version of Lauren Boebert(who owned a bar by the same name) though they don't hold public office. 331dot (talk) 10:02, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

10:07, 22 November 2023 review of submission by Randommuzik
I'm an artist, randommuzik on all platforms, I'm trying to write a few about me here and its has frustrating doing that. Randommuzik (talk) 10:07, 22 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi @Randommuzik. Only musicians who pass our strict WP:NMUSIC criteria may have articles written about them. You have done nothing to prove you meet that criteria.  Qcne  (talk)  10:12, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I've a few of this WP:NMUSIC criteria, i thought I was the one who would write about me, until now. please if you can assist me in anyway I would really appreciate thank you. Randommuzik (talk) 10:33, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
 * If you become notable enough to pass our criteria, then eventually someone will write a Wikipedia article about you. As it stands your draft had zero sources so does not prove notability.  Qcne  (talk)  10:39, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I honestly do not know what I should write on my draft for me to be notable, if you can tell what to do I'll really appreciate, being able to text someone here is a relief, because I be feeling like I was coding when I created an account with you guys. Randommuzik (talk) 10:45, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @Randommuzik writing a Wikipedia article for the first time is one of the most difficult tasks a new editor can do. I would suggest you are not yet notable by our standards and therefore cannot have a Wikipedia article at this time.  Qcne  (talk)  10:47, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
 * okay thank you. Randommuzik (talk) 10:49, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
 * (ec) You placed your text within coding to conceal its display(though it still appears in the edit window). I removed this, but Wikipedia is not a place for people to tell the world about themselves, Wikipedia is interested in what independent reliable sources state about musicians that meet our notability criteria, Wikipedia is not interested in what people say about themselves. Please read the autobiography policy. 331dot (talk) 10:13, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

11:16, 22 November 2023 review of submission by Manojwiki2021
please help to get my article published, the person is a Sahitya Akademi Award winners for Assamese in 2022 Manojwiki2021 (talk) 11:16, 22 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Please choose the three (and only three) best sources that prove notability under WP:NAUTHOR. The sources must be:
 * - independent (not interviews)
 * - reliable (not Facebook)
 * - secondary (not primary)  Qcne  (talk)  11:25, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @Manojwiki2021: so far you haven't presented sufficient evidence that the person is notable. In any case, this won't be accepted unless you resubmit it. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 11:26, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

12:53, 22 November 2023 review of submission by 5.195.211.73
I'm trying to create a page for tamanna.com it's a well known business in Kuwait 5.195.211.73 (talk) 12:53, 22 November 2023 (UTC)


 * This draft has been deleted as promotional. It may be a well-known business, but that is no licence to use Wikipedia as a marketing channel.
 * If you have a registered user account (such as Mnabilmohamed001), please make sure to log into it when editing.
 * And if you have a relationship with this business, you need to disclose it: see WP:COI. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 13:02, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

14:47, 22 November 2023 review of submission by VZs76
Dear Editors,

I have recently created an article (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:M%C3%A1rton_Nagy), which was declined, with the editor noting (after the second submission attempt) that the article still needs further incline citations.

However, parts of the article ("Early career" and "Deputy Governor of the Hungarian National Bank") are based on the official CV of the politician, available on the official website of the European Investment Bank (https://www01.eib.org/attachments/documents/cv-marton-nagy-en.pdf). If there are no other sources to support the information (other than the info provided in the CV), what steps should I take?

Regards, VZs76 (talk) 14:47, 22 November 2023 (UTC)


 * @VZs76: it may well be that everything you state is supported by one or another of the cited sources, but if you don't tell us (by way of citations) which source it is, that doesn't really help the reader verify the information, as they would need to check each of the sources for each of the statements. As a bare minimum, each paragraph should have at least one citation, as otherwise it is unsupported, and a long paragraph almost certainly should have more than one. The reader should never need to ask "where did that information come from?"
 * If you use the same source more than once, you should ideally use named references, to avoid inflating the 'References' section unnecessarily; see WP:NAMEDREFS for advice. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 15:25, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much for the tip, the article has been recently published! VZs76 (talk) 16:57, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

15:19, 22 November 2023 review of submission by GertrudKahl
Dear Help desk, my article on Alfons Zeileis was declined saying it contained not sufficient secondary sources. In fact I cited a lot of independent newspapers with reviews on exhibitions in which Alfons Zeileis is reviewed alone or alongside other painters. Why are independent newspapers not secondary sources? To make it clear, that the references are not just archived material of Alfons Zeileis but secondary sources about him, I added the explanation to the sources. Will this be sufficient? There are many more references about Alfons Zeileis as about for example his fellow student Giorgio de Chirico. I will be grateful for any hint. GertrudKahl (talk) 15:19, 22 November 2023 (UTC)


 * @GertrudKahl: it may be that there are sufficient secondary sources included, but if so, they are quite well masked. For example, ref #12 reads
 * "Review of the exhibition with mention of Alfons Zeileis in the newspaper Der Rheinpfälzer 18 October 1927 and Landauer Anzeiger 21 October 1927 both in reviews about artists: Newspaper clippings ordered together by Karl Graf, Pfälzer Landesbibliothek Speyer."
 * You have to read all of that to realise that it mentions a newspaper called Der Rheinpfälzer. It should be formatted using the correct template, cite news or cite magazine.
 * And even then, it doesn't really provide sufficient detail to allow the precise source to be identified; please see WP:OFFLINE for advice on correctly citing offline sources.
 * And yes, some of the sources clearly aren't published secondary sources, eg. #38 and #40.
 * HTH, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 15:38, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Please note that "An exchange of letters" is NOT a suitable source neither is " List by Anneliese Zeileis, the daughter of Alfons Zeileis." sources need to be published. Theroadislong (talk) 15:41, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

17:41, 22 November 2023 review of submission by Alexandrsashin
Could anybody explain me the issues with references in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Luna_Sabella ?

> This submission is not adequately supported by reliable sources. Reliable sources are required so that information can be verified. If you need help with referencing, please see Referencing for beginners and Citing sources. Alexandrsashin (talk) 17:41, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
 * The style of writing is NOT encyclopaedic and more suited to a magazine article. Theroadislong (talk) 17:46, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
 * What can I change to make it more encyclopedic? Alexandrsashin (talk) 17:51, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Her father is of Italian descent: Which independent source is cited for this information.
 * which is why Luna loves everything to do with Italy: 1) non sequitur. 2) Which independent source is cited for this information? 3)Why does it belong in an encyclopaedia article about her?
 * She is keen on music, dance and show business: Which independent source is cited for this information? 2) Why does it use the colloquial "keen on" rather than a more formal phrase. ColinFine (talk) 20:24, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
 * It's a right question. There is an answer - such information is from https://www.esc-plus.com/downloads/handbook-jesc-2022.pdf and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WySij6WyPus. If I add these references to several paragraphs then I duplicate them in the reference list. Alexandrsashin (talk) 21:10, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Her father is of Italian descent and this influenced her preferences in life and creativity.
 * Is it better?
 * I'd like to save this connection because of it relates to "La Festa" and "Pico Bello" songs. Alexandrsashin (talk) 21:17, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @Vanderwaalforces what do you think about such comments? Alexandrsashin (talk) 21:39, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
 * It is unlikely that either of the references you give is independent of her: the biography almost certainly comes from Sabella and her team.
 * While you can use non-independent sources for uncontroversial factual information such as dates and places, unless an independent commentator has chosen to talk about her father's origin and the effect of this on her music, it simply does not belong in the article. ColinFine (talk) 22:41, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your feedback! I changed the beginning of "Biography" block. Are there other problematic sentences? Alexandrsashin (talk) 08:19, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

18:05, 22 November 2023 review of submission by Rahmanibnusaid
It's a Professional Football Club from India,and why can't create a page. Rahmanibnusaid (talk) 18:05, 22 November 2023 (UTC)


 * @Rahmanibnusaid: because there is no evidence that the club is notable, which is why this draft has been rejected. Not only that, but the subject has gone through no fewer than three AfD discussions, so you would need to make a particularly compelling case for an article to be accepted. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 18:19, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
 * My dear Sir,How can you say the club doesn't exist. That Club currently plays in our State League and I provided it's website and else details, How much more should I need to provide, can u explain how is it possible. Rahmanibnusaid (talk) 18:33, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
 * No one has said that the club does not exist. Not everything that exists merits a Wikipedia article.  Wikipedia is not a database of things that exist, there are criteria for inclusion.  As noted, there has been three deletion discussions regarding articles about this club, so you will have to build a very good case that the notability criteria for organizations has been met.  You haven't done that here.  You'll need to move on from this topic. 331dot (talk) 19:30, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Anyway i haven't expected this much quick reply from your side, appreciating Wikipedia Staffs alot🤍 Rahmanibnusaid (talk) 20:53, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia has no staff, we are volunteers from around tbe world. 331dot (talk) 20:55, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I just meaned you guys. Rahmanibnusaid (talk) 22:06, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

18:52, 22 November 2023 review of submission by SparrowsQuest
Can you point me to information on how to cite post-graduate degrees. Thank you for your assistance. SparrowsQuest (talk) 18:52, 22 November 2023 (UTC)


 * @SparrowsQuest: what do you mean by that? If the person has postgrad qualifications, you cite any reliable source that states that, usually the one where you discovered the said fact. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 19:06, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @SparrowsQuest the easiest way would be to find and cite the thesis for which they received the degree. -- asilvering (talk) 20:44, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

19:07, 22 November 2023 review of submission by AJIT30071990
hi needs support AJIT30071990 (talk) 19:07, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Your draft consists of a single sentence "Ajit Kumar singh is an Indian born 30 july 1990" there is zero evidence that you are notable so minimal chance of the draft being accepted. Theroadislong (talk) 19:10, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

19:19, 22 November 2023 review of submission by 193.207.113.152
I've added all info and reliable sources I could find. They are sufficient for her notability. 193.207.113.152 (talk) 19:19, 22 November 2023 (UTC)


 * The draft has been rejected, meaning that it will not be considered further. 331dot (talk) 19:28, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
 * As I've requested here, you can immediately delete it. 193.207.113.152 (talk) 20:33, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Place a db-g7 tag to delete the article Mach61 (talk) 23:15, 22 November 2023 (UTC)