Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk/Archives/2023 November 28

= November 28 =

00:33, 28 November 2023 review of submission by W. Russell Smith
I am very new to creating pages and want to make sure everything is done correctly and by the book. I created a draft from a document I wrote in Word and then cut and pasted it into wiki. I am not sure how to use citations. It is all so new that it seems impossible! Please help. W. Russell Smith (talk) 00:33, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
 * , although it may seem impossible, it is not, as can be seen by the fact that this encyclopedia currently has 6,751,562 articles, all of which were written by someone at first. I recommend against drafting articles in Word or anywhere else because that prioritizes the prose. The backbone of a Wikipedia article are the references to reliable, independent sources that devote significant coverage to the topic. The prose simply summarizes that coverage, nothing more and nothing less. Instead, articles should be created in draft space or personal sandboxes, so that they can be developed in the Wikipedia environment, reflecting Wikipedia's specific Policies and guidelines. As for citations, Referencing for beginners explains things. Cullen328 (talk) 08:25, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
 * As Cullen328 indicated, The *structure* of the proposed article isn't that bad, *BUT* the Problem is that County Commissioners in general aren't Notable enough for them to have a Wikipedia page about them. See WP:NPOL for the policy on notability of Politicians.Naraht (talk) 08:32, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

02:10, 28 November 2023 review of submission by BootNet
He is a famous Indian Islamic scholar, he should have a Wikipedia article. BootNet (talk) 02:10, 28 November 2023 (UTC)


 * , the Neutral point of view is a core content policy that forbids promotional editing of any kind on Wikipedia. You wrote:


 * , referenced to the person's own website.


 * Non-neutral, promotional writing like this is simply not permitted on Wikipedia. Cullen328 (talk) 08:11, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

07:51, 28 November 2023 review of submission by AbhissszZ
Why this article was rejected ? AbhissszZ (talk) 07:51, 28 November 2023 (UTC)


 * , your deleted draft biography of a living person was entirely unreferenced and was therefore a policy violation. See Verifiability. In addition, your draft contained highly promotional language such as this:




 * Promotion of any kind is strictly forbidden on Wikipedia. The relevant policy is the Neutral point of view. Cullen328 (talk) 08:05, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

11:06, 28 November 2023 review of submission by Hypermole115
Hi there! My name is Adriel and I was wondering if I could get help on my article. I see that my article does not meet the criteria for publishing in the music category as well I need more sources to establish notability. Could I please get some help as I am confused about how my article is not ready to be published. Thank you! Hypermole115 (talk) 11:06, 28 November 2023 (UTC)


 * You have not shown how the band meets the definition of a notable band, nor have you summarized what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about the band(which usually includes professional reviews of their work). 331dot (talk) 11:25, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

11:18, 28 November 2023 review of submission by Vikamsinghsurya
Vikram Singh Surya Vikamsinghsurya (talk) 11:18, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
 * You don't ask a question, but your draft(which I fixed the link to) was deleted as blatant promotion. Wikipedia is not a place for people to tell the world about themselves, please read the autobiography policy. 331dot (talk) 11:21, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

13:00, 28 November 2023 review of submission by Budoislife
I have tried to submit an article about a significant person in the AIkido world. If I understand the process correctly, it was not accepted due to lack of sourcing. I believe I have exhausted most available sources both on and off line. I wonder if there is something I am missing. Thank you in advance for any help. Budoislife (talk) 13:00, 28 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Budoislife if you have exhausted all available sources, then he is not notable (by standards on Wikipedia). You can promote Takeshi Kimeda via another outlet, for example social media. Sungodtemple (talk &#8226; contribs) 14:00, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

14:01, 28 November 2023 review of submission by OffekM
Dear Wikipedia Helpdesk, I am writing about the repeated rejection of my draft article about Professor Ido Kanter, who is a leading physicist in several research areas and whose work is documented in more than 200 publications in leading scientific journals and some are cited hundreds of times in leading scientific journals. After my first rejection I was approached via email by someone who introduced herself as an experienced Wikipedia editor. She offered to edit the article and make sure that it is accepted, for a fee of 380 USD. Having read the scam warning page on Wikipedia, I refused the offer. After addressing the remarks left by the reviewer myself, I submitted the article again and it was rejected again. Since then, I have been rejected several times for various reasons, the remarks given were very vague and rarely addressed particular issues in the article itself. Let me mention three such reasons. (A) “the research does not demonstrate significant notability about them”, papers were published in leading scientific journals including Nature Photonics and Physical Review Letters. (B) “should refer to a range of independent, reliable, published sources”, “Every single reference except the scienmag.com one is a primary source”. I examined tens of Wikipedia pages of equivalent scientists and almost all contain only their own publications. Nevertheless, following this type of requests I have added mentioning of Kanter’s work in Newsweeks, Sciencemag etc, and when it was rejected again and asked for more such external citations, I added many more. (C) After all these additions the last rejection arrived “for references to show notability. At the moment appears to be a bit of a CV.”. This is a completely new issue which was not previously raised, and is general and does not direct a specific change. In addition, I do not understand what makes this article look like a CV. Every time I addressed the remarks of the reviewer – new remarks were raised. These remarks were unrelated to the previous issues raised about the article. It really looks as though someone is trying to prevent the article from being accepted – presenting new issues that had not been considered problematic previously so as to reject the article again and again. I have a very strong suspicion that this behavior is the result of my rejecting the offer for paid editing services. I hope this issue can be resolved promptly and I wish to receive clear remarks on all outstanding issues such that I can address them properly and have the draft article accepted. Thank you in advance, Yours Sincerely, Offek Marelly OffekM (talk) 14:01, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Good that you avoided being scammed. If you still have the email, could you follow the instructions at WP:SCAM to forward it to the email address indicated at the top of that page?
 * Note that there is a difference between "rejected" and "declined". Your draft was declined, meaning it may be resubmitted. Rejected would mean it could not be resubmitted.  That your draft is being declined almost certainly has little to do with you turning down a demand for payment.  The scammers who tried to scam you usually impersonate legitimate Wikipedia editors to give themselves legitimacy and(if they fail) get those legitimate editors in trouble.
 * Be advised that using other articles that themselves may be problematic is not a good idea, as you would be unaware of these problems. See other stuff exists.  If you want to use other articles as a model, use those classified as good articles.
 * The main issue seems to be that you are describing his research when instead you should be describing how he is notable. If his research makes him notable, that is not being made clear in the article. 331dot (talk) 14:11, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Reviewers tend to raise only a few issues at a time to overload editors. There are a ridiculous amount of policies and guidelines (see WP:POLICYLIST) and it is hard to learn all of them. Given the number of declines, it is likely you are not notable. Try to demonstrate that you meet either the general notability guideline or the notability guideline for academics.
 * If your only purpose to edit Wikipedia is to promote yourself, then you will probably be blocked as you are not here to build an encyclopedia. If you want to actually contribute, start small. You can begin with 'easy' edits at your homepage.
 * There are many other ways to promote yourself, such as social media. Sungodtemple (talk &#8226; contribs) 14:18, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Sungodtemple, you are replying in terms suggesting that OffekM is the same person as Ido Kanter. DO you have a reason for thinking this? ColinFine (talk) 16:02, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Just to elaborate on Sungodtemple's point, the script used in reviewing drafts only allows 1-2 decline reasons to be chosen at a time. Reviewers are free to choose any reason(s) they wish; they do not have to 'follow suit' with what the previous reviewer may have chosen. So if a draft has, say, half a dozen plausible grounds for declining, it may indeed be declined multiple times for different reason(s), and this does not mean that the reviewers are 'moving the goalposts'. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 16:15, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

14:41, 28 November 2023 review of submission by OhCanuck
How is this subject not notable enough? He is a Welsh international footballer with dozens of international games. Has played for two of the major clubs in england. I am new to this but there is much much less notable players on this site. User:Zoglophie? can you please explain? OhCanuck (talk) 14:41, 28 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Doesn't meet WP:SIGCOV in reliable sources. The sources you used are insufficient to establish notability. zoglophie •talk• 14:42, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I have read through the rules you mentioned and i find nothing that requires original research. The sources show him siging a professional contract and multiple news sources. Hes also on the roster page for Leicester city! I dont know what more you could possibly need please tell me. OhCanuck (talk) 14:50, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
 * We need sources that give him significant coverage, not that merely describe his activities. 331dot (talk) 14:53, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Then what is an example of these sources? You are not being helpful at all right now. I have multiple news sources, club sources, independent source. Do you need a front page espn article? You are both being very difficult with this and are providing no explanations. OhCanuck (talk) 14:56, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I understand that you are probably frustrated, but we really are trying to help you. Your four sources are
 * his team website, which is not an independent source
 * a profile from what seems to be a marketing or representation agency, which also is likely not independent
 * a basic profile, not signficant coverage
 * a single paragraph about him, not significant coverage
 * None of these sources establish notability. I see that upon creating your account you immediately dived right in to creating this draft article- which is the most difficult task to attempt on Wikipedia. We usually recommend that new users first gain experience and knowledge by first editing existing articles, to learn about how Wikipedia operates and what is expected of article content.  Users like you who dive right in to creating articles usually end up frustrated as you are, because they do not understand what is happening to their draft. If you haven't already read Your First Article, I would suggest that you do. 331dot (talk) 15:03, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you for this 331 it was all i was asking for. I wanted to go right into creating pages for my favourite footballers who didn't already have pages. I have an understanding of wikipedia but i did not think this wouldn't meet the requirements.Thank you for your help 331.
 * Last Question: Why was my page automatically rejected rather than declined? I put alot of work into this and now i cant even edit and resubmit. OhCanuck (talk) 15:08, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
 * If he ever meets guidelines in future, someone will automatically create an article about him. zoglophie •talk• 15:09, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
 * How? Thats what i was trying to do today? OhCanuck (talk) 15:10, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
 * You should read WP:GNG, WP:SIGCOV and WP:NSPORTS before trying to submit a draft for review. It doesn't matter if he was your "Favourite" or not, we don't accept pages if they fail to meet these guidelines. Your best course of action is to wait until he is notable enough. zoglophie •talk• 15:13, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Excuse me? I have questions about my sources not because he was my "favorite". You have been nothing but difficult with me this whole time zoglophie and i dont understand why.
 * I will be filing a complaint to the administrators about your conduct and lack of professionalism. 331 has been fantastic and explained things in detail while you resort to side eyed remarks. Please reconsider how you talk to people on this platform. OhCanuck (talk) 15:17, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
 * You also still haven't answered my question of "How?" an article will be auto generated. OhCanuck (talk) 15:18, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
 * "Auto generated" only means that when it is obvious that he meets the criteria and there is sufficient coverage of him, someone like you will eventually write about him.
 * I'm an administrator, and I see no issues with how zoglophie addressed you. We try to be direct here, which can sometimes come off as blunt. Also, we try to start with broad information and work our way up to details, not start with details as we are volunteers and are first trying to steer you to find the information yourself. 331dot (talk) 15:30, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I thank you 331 but i cannot hide my disappointment. Just for the future, this is not how you get new people excited about becoming editors. I am very very saddened OhCanuck (talk) 15:35, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I strongly suggest that you start smaller. Many tens of thousands of editors are highly successful and impactful without creating a single article. We have millions of articles, many of which are in poor condition and need help. Many of these are probably about athletes. If you start smaller, making edits to existing articles, you can build on that for the future. 331dot (talk) 15:41, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Noted d(⌒ー⌒) OhCanuck (talk) 15:51, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
 * OhCanuck I recommend Special:Homepage - you can filter to articles that need copyediting or the like, and also by subject, in your example sports. Sungodtemple (talk &#8226; contribs) 17:49, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
 * OhCanuck, I'm afraid you are in the position (like hundreds of others) of somebody who buys a musical instrument, and immediately takes it out busking. It's a laudable goal, but it takes practice to get there, and trying it before you're ready is likely to get uncomfortable feedback which may not be readily comprehensible.
 * Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. This means that nothing originating from the player or his club or associates can contribute to establishing notability. ColinFine (talk) 16:09, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
 * tldr OhCanuck (talk) 23:41, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

17:13, 28 November 2023 review of submission by Htet Yadanar Lwin
Can you give me a specific reason why my article cannot be published? And I also have one question which is 'Can we publish the article with the same topic which was already on wikipedia but with different information?'. Htet Yadanar Lwin (talk) 17:13, 28 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia can't have two articles on the same topic. Please edit the existing Mala xiang guo article. ~WikiOriginal-9~  ( talk ) 17:42, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

19:16, 28 November 2023 review of submission by Robin Safar
Hi team wikipedia! I've been attempting to set up a wikipedia page on regards to the professional boxer Robin Safar. I've never done this before, and I keep getting my submission rejected. I'm not quite sure what I've done wrong but I have on multiple occasions tried to make the text more neutral in it's tone, I've included more sources and yet it keeps getting rejected.

I would appreciate any help I can get as i'd like to get this thing up and running.

Sincerely Robin Safar (talk) 19:16, 28 November 2023 (UTC)


 * The draft has been rejected, currently meaning that it will not ever be accepted. If you object to that, your best bet is to contact the person who rejected it, but don't hold your breath over it. Mach61 (talk) 19:57, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

21:15, 28 November 2023 review of submission by Autistic Hyperfixation
I may be incorrect in my assumption that I submitted this translated article correctly, however (to my knowledge) in translating an article from Russian (https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sampo_L-41) that was poorly sourced into English (My draft), my translation was not deem adequate by reviewer Theroadislong (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Theroadislong).

How do I proceed from here? Autistic Hyperfixation (talk) 21:15, 28 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Autistic Hyperfixation you may have assumed that because there is an article on the Russian Wikipedia the topic automatically qualifies for an article on the English Wikipedia. Unfortunately this is not true, as different language Wikipedias are entirely separate projects and have their own standards. So you have to show that the article meets notability guidelines. See that page for details. Sungodtemple (talk &#8226; contribs) 12:54, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Ah I see! Thank you for the information! I'll try to find sources to back up my article then, have a great day! Autistic Hyperfixation (talk) 17:26, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

21:58, 28 November 2023 review of submission by Mahir bin Raees
Hell me what is a problem to create my page ? Mahir bin Raees (talk) 21:58, 28 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia is not a place for people to tell the world about themselves, please see the autobiography policy. 331dot (talk) 22:15, 28 November 2023 (UTC)