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= November 7 =

00:19, 7 November 2023 review of submission by Theotherdreadpirate
I have made some adjustments to the article and would like some feedback on what can be improved in order to increase the chances of it being accepted. Thanks! Theotherdreadpirate (talk) 00:19, 7 November 2023 (UTC)


 * We don't really do pre-review reviews. The best way to get feedback is to submit it. 331dot (talk) 00:25, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

03:07, 7 November 2023 review of submission by Variance1
Good evening, thanks for your feedback. I am attempting to update for the Wikipedia page for DJ /Producer and label owner Jamie McHugh. Jamie featured on the biggest dance releases of 2008, 2009 and 2010 and regularly featured in the dance music press and featured as an artist on BBC Radio 1 and Kiss FM as well as DJing worldwide. He produced three commercial mix CDs and an artist album for Darren Emerson (Underworld) record label Underwater and mixed the Best of Underwater Records album. He also remixed the 50th release for CR2 records and was the first artist to release on their digital label. I have checked Wikipedia and artists with similiar or less notable profiles have been included therfore please advise how i can update this page. Variance1 (talk) 03:07, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

04:53, 7 November 2023 review of submission by Mcashn
How can I edit my article title? Mcashn (talk) 04:53, 7 November 2023 (UTC)


 * @Mcashn: you can't; you achieve this by moving the draft to a different title. That said, you don't need to worry about the title at this stage, as if/when the draft is accepted it will be moved by the accepting reviewer to a new title in the main article space anyway. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 08:14, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

08:05, 7 November 2023 review of submission by Harry's Word
This page contains information from various sources which are duly added about a person who has done many contributions to the art form called Kadhakali. This person went missing a decade ago but still people talk about him as a connoisseur of this art form. Please reconsider the details furnished and consider for publication. Harry&#39;s Word (talk) 08:05, 7 November 2023 (UTC)


 * @Harry's Word: this draft has been reviewed and found wanting in terms of evidence of notability. That being the case, what is your question? -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 08:13, 7 November 2023 (UTC)
 * All the press reports supporting this person mentions that he is a notable person. Given that, I am confused on what more evidences of notability are lacking here? Please help me understand that. Harry&#39;s Word (talk) 08:42, 7 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Notability is not 'important' or 'influential' or 'successful'. It's 'the extent to which something has been the topic of media coverage' the extent to which it has been noted.
 * That being said, Youtube is not a reliable source and should be removed. - Rich T&#124;C&#124;E-Mail 09:16, 7 November 2023 (UTC)
 * The youtube source I have mentioned are the ones that belong to the major news channels and not any silly unreliable one. Harry&#39;s Word (talk) 09:08, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

08:37, 7 November 2023 review of submission by 108.21.67.83
I just want to ask a question. How do I submit to transfer the draft of Georgios Dritsakos and transfer to the articles in his biography? I want it to be approved and know how to learn it. 108.21.67.83 (talk) 08:37, 7 November 2023 (UTC)


 * This draft has various issues, but the main one is notability: of the three sources cited, one is a close primary one (his CV on the HAF website), one a passing mention, and the third isn't enough on its own to establish notability per WP:GNG. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 09:39, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

08:45, 7 November 2023 review of submission by Athinam7x
Hello, I do not understand how it states that this submission is not adequately supported by reliable sources. I did submit all the necessary sources which according to your rules are reliable.

I am the granddaughter of Davoud Meftah, Athina Meftah (daughter of Soleiman Meftah), I wrote in my article a few extra pieces of information that are of course without specific sources, but my knowledge of my family.

Since it was the first time I worked on an article for Wikipedia, I did not have the experience and knowledge to understand the problem and resolve it.

I would appreciate it if you would be so kind as to help me.

Thank you very much,

Athina Meftah Athinam7x (talk) 08:45, 7 November 2023 (UTC)
 * The "few extra pieces of information that are of course without specific sources, but my knowledge of my family." will need to be removed, the references need to be placed directly after the content they support. Theroadislong (talk) 08:51, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

10:17, 7 November 2023 review of submission by Gaurav Prateek Actor
Remove promotional language. This looks like an ad. kindly help me for this. Gaurav Prateek Actor (talk) 10:17, 7 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia is not a place for people to tell the world about themselves, please read the autobiography policy. Your image has no copyright information provided; if you personally did not take the image of yourself or cannot demonstrate that you are the copyright holder(which would be unusual), you need to immediately request its deletion from Commons. 331dot (talk) 10:23, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

11:30, 7 November 2023 review of submission by Catherine Lemieux
Hi, My article was rejected because of unreliable sources for the second time. I would like to understand why, since I used only independent established newspapers. Thank you, Catherine Lemieux Catherine Lemieux (talk) 11:30, 7 November 2023 (UTC)


 * @Catherine Lemieux: the sources may well be reliable, but the draft isn't adequately supported by them, as there is unreferenced content, and some of the citations may not back up the information provided. By way of an example, the lead section cites only one source, but that source doesn't seem to mention the person's place or year of birth, or that they studied under Šípek... so if those pieces of information didn't come from the cited source, where did they come from? -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 13:30, 7 November 2023 (UTC)
 * You’re right these infos come from other articles (4 other sources which are portraits of the artist from mainstream media) included in my first draft, actually reliable media sources but they included interviews so I had to delete all these references. I will review the draft again to make sure all infos are definitely in the article quoted. Thanks for your feedback. 91.141.36.118 (talk) 19:12, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

12:55, 7 November 2023 review of submission by 137GREAT
the person involved has generated a major impact on the physics world, and did not talk about himself. there are no online reliable sources to which it is possible to quote his backround and therefore the wiki page was created, the information in the artcile was the first time he shared information about himself. It was not accepted due to "reliability" How can there be sources if the guy is an unknown ? People know him by his name, and therefore the wiki was created. 137GREAT (talk) 12:55, 7 November 2023 (UTC)


 * @137GREAT: simply put, Wikipedia articles should be written by summarising what reliable published sources have said about a subject. If no such sources exist, then it isn't possible to summarise them, and hence no article can be written. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 13:09, 7 November 2023 (UTC)
 * If you want to tell the world about this person, that is precisely what social media or a personal website are for. People must be known to merit articles, you can't create articles to generate notability. 331dot (talk) 16:15, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

14:16, 7 November 2023 review of submission by 73.161.190.187
I see that this page was declined, so looking for more guidance. While the news recently of Adam Johnson's death may seem shocking, Injuries to the neck, and by extension other parts of the body, by Skate Blades during on ice activities, are actually quite common. Some of the players on the page have died due to their necks having been cut by skate blades, aside from the aforementioned Adam Johnson. I hesitated to put if a player was deceased due to the injury, or for example how many stiches they needed. Perhaps this is needed information to obtain approval? I also hesitated to put any additional information regarding neck guards, e.g. neck guards have been mandatory in Canada since the deaths of a few players, as I did not want to make this a page about neck guards and as well, I did not want to dive into what parts of the world require neck guards, but perhaps some information is necessary? Unfortunately, skate injuries are not really similar to injuries in other sports, as well as injuries of other types in hockey. The page aims to show the prevalence and severity of these injuries, and not to draw comparisons to injuries of other types or other sports. We can say that surely some players have hard heart attacks while playing a sport, however it is hard to attribute that injury directly to the game. However, skate injuries are in no doubt literally caused by the equipment and players involved in those on ice activities. Thank you in advance for your time and feedback. 73.161.190.187 (talk) 14:16, 7 November 2023 (UTC)


 * I feel like this would benefit from more context, significance, etc. Now it reads like a list of people injured playing sports – immediately I find myself asking "so what?" I think each entry needs more details: to say that John Doe got injured in 1996 is one thing; to say that John Doe, an experienced professional player got injured in the World Champs final in his neck so badly (without going into too much gore!) that it ended his career, and may have lost his team the medal, is probably a bit more useful. Also, if you could find some sources which discuss the problem of skate-related injuries, perhaps some statistics, etc., and maybe what the athletes, clubs and governing bodies are doing to deal with this problem, it would help flesh out the draft. (I think in saying that I'm concurring with the reviewer also.) HTH, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 14:50, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

15:00, 7 November 2023 review of submission by Dranutoshchakraborty
Requesting to describe the exact fault. Regards Dranutoshchakraborty (talk) 15:00, 7 November 2023 (UTC)


 * @Dranutoshchakraborty: this draft has been rejected, and is awaiting deletion, as non-encyclopaedic. Wikipedia does not host how-to guides, promotional content, personal essays, polemic, nor does it promote pseudoscience, fringe theories and the like. This draft comes under more than one of those headings. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 15:04, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

16:33, 7 November 2023 review of submission by Delshad.j.c
How to delete draft Delshad.j.c (talk) 16:33, 7 November 2023 (UTC)


 * The draft was tagged as inappropriate advertising, so I have deleted it for that reason. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  16:35, 7 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @Delshad.j.c: you have no drafts to delete, your only draft has been deleted already. In any case, you cannot delete one as you're not an administrator, you can only request deletion. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 16:35, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

16:45, 7 November 2023 review of submission by Ivanhoe2012
Could anyone pls tell me what are "Some of these sources are WP:FRINGE"? I hoped there will be no issues like these cause Society of JZ is state registered spiritual-religious curch in Czech Rep. Its small church, yes, but it is. Thank you. Ivanhoe2012 (talk) 16:45, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

17:03, 7 November 2023 review of submission by Orion's Toes
Hi, I see the request for providing more sources and in depth coverage of the topic I attempted to publish, however there is unfortunately no more information to provide. This band is essentially lost media, and practically no information exists on the internet. Yet, somehow, with the limited information I had access to, I believe I managed to write a reasonably in depth article. Even though this topic is small, I portrayed it to the best of my ability and all of my sources are credible and relevant. I really hope that we are able to give the article another chance, because it can really help bring the history of this little known band, and important aspect of Vundabar's(the band that resulted from this one) history to light. Thank you for considering my article. Orion&#39;s Toes (talk) 17:03, 7 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Sources do not need to be online. If there are no more sources, there can't be an article about this band at this time. You may want to find an alternative forum with less stringent requirements to tell the world about this band. 331dot (talk) 19:37, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

18:04, 7 November 2023 review of submission by SriSahi
can you please share the standard content example  SriSahi (talk) 18:04, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

18:26, 7 November 2023 review of submission by Gruppeder 9b
Hi, what is the problem with the article? The person in question is by far the most influential person in their field of research. The sources include articles from major German newspapers. How can I fix the problem. Many thanks in advance. Gruppeder 9b (talk) 18:26, 7 November 2023 (UTC)


 * If they are influential, then you need independent reliable sources that state that and describe what makes them so. 331dot (talk) 19:35, 7 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Transpose what you can from the german wiki and we can see what can be done.
 * https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernd_Ulmann
 * I saw your draft. It needs formatting. Will try and help in my free time. Editing and contributing (talk) 07:11, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

18:41, 7 November 2023 review of submission by WaffleHouseEmployee
Im trying to get an article cleared for reveiw however there are not many credible sources for the topic (Hotdog Water). Do you have any suggestions as to what I should do for this? Thanks! WaffleHouseEmployee (talk) 18:41, 7 November 2023 (UTC)


 * If there are insufficient reliable sources to summarize, there cannot be an article about this topic. No amount of editing can fix that. 331dot (talk) 19:34, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

18:46, 7 November 2023 review of submission by ST-UTSCI
Hello, I am seeking some guidance regarding the rejection of this draft. I believe I can address the concerns of notability (as written, the article notes events/product releases but not how those things affect the broader industry as a whole). However, if possible I would like some feedback on the sourcing.

I cited a number of digital archives of older printed journals and magazines and so I wonder if that is part of the issue? I tried, as much as possible, to draw style, source, and formatting examples from articles on companies of similar age/impact in the broadcasting industry. Any guidance would be appreciated. ST-UTSCI (talk) 18:46, 7 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Your draft was declined, not rejected- "rejected" has a specific meaning, that a draft may not be resubmitted. Declined means that it may be resubmitted. 331dot (talk) 19:33, 7 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Ah, my mistake. I will use the correct term in the future. ST-UTSCI (talk) 20:58, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

19:50, 7 November 2023 review of submission by Morganryan17
Hello! I am attempting to update my draft page for Sean Murphy's biography. I have included a lot of links to things he has written, but there are also several sources where other writers have quoted him in notable media platforms. Can you help me to understand why these do not qualify as external sources that would make him notable? Morganryan17 (talk) 19:50, 7 November 2023 (UTC)


 * To further elaborate, I know a few other authors, one of which being Jenna Blum, who's page is similar. How is her page notable but Sean Murphy's page is not? Morganryan17 (talk) 19:57, 7 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I think you linked to the wrong article; I've fixed it with a link to your draft article.
 * We don't want just mere quotes from him- there needs to be independent reliable sources with significant coverage of him that discuss what they see as important/significant/influential about him, showing how he meets the definition of a notable author. You've documented his media appearances and his work, but not said anything about how either makes him important/significant/influential.
 * Beware in citing other articles that themselves could be problematic, which you would be unaware of. See other stuff exists. 331dot (talk) 20:05, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

20:26, 7 November 2023 review of submission by ItsRaihanArifin
I want to publish a article about organization Hello I want to to create about The Foreign Investors' Chamber of Commerce & Industry (FICCI) in Bangladesh. If 'Federation of Indian Chambers of Commerce & Industry(FICCI)' information is enlisted on wikipedia then why we are not able to published? please help me how i enlisted that? ItsRaihanArifin (talk) 20:26, 7 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I fixed your post to display a link to your draft(you had a statement which appeared as a link, which I moved so it doesn't).
 * Beware in citing other similar articles to compare to yours- these too could be problematic and you would be unaware of this. See other stuff exists.  If you want to use other articles as a model or example, use those classified as good articles, which have been checked by the community.
 * Your draft does not summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about the organization, showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of a notable organization. Not every organizaton merits a Wikipedia article, even within a field.
 * If you are associated with this organization, that needs to be declared, please see WP:COI and WP:PAID. 331dot (talk) 20:31, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

21:06, 7 November 2023 review of submission by Demon King3333
MAKE IT ON WIKIPEDIA MY CULTURE MADE THIS HOLLADAY IT'S REAL Demon King3333 (talk) 21:06, 7 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia doesn't care if a subject is real or not (we have articles on unicorns, fairies, and N rays). What Wikipedia cares about is whether a subject has been written about sufficiently (in reliable, independent sources) to ground an article. ColinFine (talk) 12:22, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

21:43, 7 November 2023 review of submission by Roc0ast3r
The draft was originally declined for notability issues, then later was re-submitted by the original reviewer, and was declined again for WP:NOTNEWS (at least, I think?). I'll be honest, both comments, at least to me, aren't the most helpful, and I'm having a bit of trouble finding content that violates NOTNEWS. I'm not the most familiar with creating Wikipedia articles, and so I would like to be informed if any content violates that policy. Thanks!  RO NIN  21:43, 7 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi @Roc0ast3r almost all the sources are dated in late January or early February which does not meet WP:SUSTAINED. A short burst of new coverage does not warrant an article.  S0091 (talk) 22:09, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Okay, that explains it better. Thanks for the reply!  RO NIN  22:16, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

23:01, 7 November 2023 review of submission by Boohoolane
Greetings!

I see that the article has been marked as needing more sources. Would you prefer that we remove information so that we can expedite approval? It is imperative that we populate more Middle Eastern / North African / Southwest Asian performer pages with notable credits as it is an under-supported community on Wikipedia (see: status of Iranian sub-communities) and in the Entertainment industry wholly.

We do have some very solid sources from Letterboxd, Hollywood Reporter (Deadline), and more. It is also important to keep in mind that The Persian Version is a struck project - because of this sourcing can be sparce until after the 2023 SAG-AFTRA strike.

We also have compared several existing pages for actors from different backgrounds / with similar resumés that pass the articles of creation and become published. Thankfully we are looking forward to ensuring this page will be adequately updated within all Wikipedia policies and furnished with even more sources. We just need to get the ship moving and send the page to publishing.

Thank you again for your note - please let us know what we can do to ensure the article gets published and we can continue to work on publishing articles on talent from this underrepresented community! Boohoolane (talk) 23:01, 7 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi @Boohoolane! Thanks for coming to the help desk. The more pressing issue that I see is not the lack of sources supporting the information in the article, but rather the article's subject not meeting wikipedia's inclusion guidelines of two reliable sources providing significant coverage to the subject. While there are reliable sources, there does not appear to be coverage of the subject beyond a few passing mentions. I do not see notability in the subject at this moment with the sources in the article.  Just ' i ' yaya  12:03, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
 * While working on an underserved topic area is a noble pursuit, you still need to meet the sourcing requirements; there is no exception for underserved areas in that regard.
 * Who is "we"? 331dot (talk) 22:20, 8 November 2023 (UTC)