Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk/Archives/2023 September 12

= September 12 =

05:34, 12 September 2023 review of submission by Raheel.Abbas5
Dear Concern,

I hope you are doing great. I have submitted the details about Transparent Hands but it's not getting approved after several attempts. I made a few changes a couple of days ago and am still not sure if this will be approved or rejected. Could you please help me in submission.

Thank you Raheel.Abbas5 (talk) 05:34, 12 September 2023 (UTC)


 * @Raheel.Abbas5: you'll have to be more specific – what help do you need, or what question do you wish to ask?
 * Also, please don't remove earlier AfC declines and comments, they need to stay there until the draft is accepted.
 * Finally, I've posted on your talk page a question regarding any relationship you may have with this organisation; please read and action it. Thanks, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 06:06, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

06:07, 12 September 2023 review of submission by Jitendrajmaurya
what is missing in it Jitendrajmaurya (talk) 06:07, 12 September 2023 (UTC)


 * @Jitendrajmaurya: speedy deletion tag? I'll add it.
 * Please note that Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia, not a social media or blogging platform. This is not the place to tell the world about yourself. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 06:15, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

07:13, 12 September 2023 review of submission by 111.92.45.241
My draft has been rejected for many times now. I have only added reliable sources in the reference. My subject Newton Cinema has produced movies and short films which has got significant coverage and won several prestigious awards. Please let me know the reason behind the rejection 111.92.45.241 (talk) 07:13, 12 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Firstly, please log into your account when editing. Thanks.
 * Secondly, please do not remove the earlier AfC tags and comments, as they form a part of the reviewing record until the draft is accepted.
 * Thirdly, this draft has not been rejected, only declined. The difference being, with a decline, you get to resubmit the draft once you've addressed the decline reasons. With a rejection, that's the end of the road.
 * As to your question, the latest decline was for lack of notability, as explained in the decline notice, esp. the grey box inside the large pink one. Please read that, incl. the various guidelines that it links to, carefully, and come back if you still have questions. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 07:23, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

08:14, 12 September 2023 review of submission by Taibhseoir
Hi, I hope to resubmit this draft - this literary journal and publishing house has been an active part of the Irish literary scene for nearly ten years and I think I've made their significance clear in the text and citations. Is there any other reason this page might be rejected? Taibhseoir (talk) 08:14, 12 September 2023 (UTC)


 * The draft was declined, not rejected. "Rejected" has a specific meaning here, that a draft may not be resubmitted. "Declined" means that it may be resubmitted if you can address the concerns of reviewers. I'm not clear on how this publisher passes WP:ORG- you've done a nice job telling what the publisher does, but Wikipedia articles must do more, they must summarize independent reliable sources that give the subject significant coverage- coverage beyond merely telling of their existence and what they do- showing how they are notable. 331dot (talk) 09:41, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

09:34, 12 September 2023 review of submission by 37.238.91.9
I want to know how I can avoid rejection and accept this article. Please help me or teach me how can I submit the article without rejection. 37.238.91.9 (talk) 09:34, 12 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Rejection means that the process for this draft is now at an end, it will not be considered further. No amount of editing can confer notability on a topic. 331dot (talk) 09:39, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

12:11, 12 September 2023 review of submission by Cptcopy
Hello, I would like someone to help me review my new article submission. The initial article was declined because it "read more like an advertisement". I have now rewritten it in a more neutral/encyclopedic tone using citations of articles as the basis of proof of notability. There was also a challenge of 'Conflict of Interest', which there isn't. Thanks in advance for any further input. Cptcopy (talk) 12:11, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
 * I fixed your link(it was missing the "Draft:" portion). You have resubmitted it for a review and it is pending.
 * You didn't pick Mr. Martin at random to edit about him. How did you come to edit about him? 331dot (talk) 12:16, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for fixing the link. Good question, I was looking for a subject that didn't already have a page, which can be tricky (I tried lots of searches based around my interests including publishing, history of my local area, TV Series and Books but didn't find a gap anywhere). I am interested in Typography and Design - and I knew of Pablo Martin when he was working at Atlas studio, and saw that his then business partner Astrid Stavro does have a page. I Googled, and there were a number of articles online about him that I figured would help me write a page, so I gave it a go. It was a challenge I set myself to edit a page from scratch, although I'm starting to question why myself now! Cptcopy (talk) 12:37, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Just quickly looking, I would suggest that the "teaching posts" and "Recognition" sections just be removed. Awards do not usually contribute to notability unless there is an article about the award itself(like Nobel Peace Prize or Academy Award) or if there is otherwise extensive discussion on the significance of the award and its being given to the subject. The Teaching posts section adds nothing to notability.
 * I'm also concerned about "While in Majorca he partnered with the charitable foundation Esmet, set up to support people with intellectual difficulties, suggesting the EnsaimadArt concept as a means of celebrating the foundation's 50th birthday and raising funds. The project brought together a who's who of the visual arts to design a sticker to be placed on boxes containing ensaïmadas - a Majorcan sweet pastry. The small-scale charitable initiative ended up a global phenomenon, attracting the participation of international stars such as Wim Crouwel, Vince Frost, Paul Sahre, Javier Mariscal, and three-star Michelin chef Carme Ruscalleda". This adds nothing to notability as it just describes that he was involved and associated with notable people.  Notability is not inherited by association, and this passage does not describe the significance of his involvement.  Did the charity raise more money because of his involvement?  You describe it as a "global phenomenon" but I see nothing that attributes this to his involvement. 331dot (talk) 12:48, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Take your point on Teaching Posts and Recognition, I will remove those. Thanks
 * I had a few reasons for including the EnsaimadArt section, it was an article in Wallpaper magazine - which I thought lent gravitas. The article implied success, although I can't find any further detail on the amount of money raised. I also thought that his association with such international stars would add notability - but I see that isn't the case. The Wallpaper article also features some of the gorgeous designs these international contributors came up with, which I thought made nice further reading for design geeks like myself. Cptcopy (talk) 13:10, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
 * The mere fact that a particular outlet publishes about a person doesn't contribute to notability- that publication must go into detail about the significance of the person(example, John Public headlined X event and the organizers of X event said many donors gave money due to his speech/activities") 331dot (talk) 13:16, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for taking the time to advise Cptcopy (talk) 13:38, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

12:50, 12 September 2023 review of submission by Ahmed.bn.hossain
What is the reason for this article to be rejected, despite all the reliable sources in the article, the article was rejected, please explain Ahmed.bn.hossain (talk) 12:50, 12 September 2023 (UTC)


 * The reason for the rejection was given (the notices must remain on the draft), "This topic is not sufficiently notable for inclusion". Rejection meams it will not be considered further. 331dot (talk) 13:06, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

12:51, 12 September 2023 review of submission by Pioussouls
Kindly check now!!! I revamped the whole content. Is it acceptable now!!!! Pioussouls (talk) 12:51, 12 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Rejection means the draft will not be considered further. No amount of editing can change this. You will need to move on from this. 331dot (talk) 13:08, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
 * @Pioussouls 7 of your references are to Wikipedia articles - this is not permitted, see WP:CIRCULAR.  Qcne  (talk)  13:51, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

13:57, 12 September 2023 review of submission by Adambanks11
Edited to reflect feedback (main point was that the page read like an advertisement). However, the page has now been edited down to only include the intro and company timeline, which is historical fact. Adambanks11 (talk) 13:57, 12 September 2023 (UTC)


 * @Adambanks11: this draft has been rejected, and as there is no evidence of notability, there seems no reason to review it again. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 14:07, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
 * It is not apparent to me what I must do further to get the page accepted. Since the last rejection I have removed a whole section and now the page only has an introduction and a timeline of the company, short and factual, and does not read like an ad. Adambanks11 (talk) 14:12, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
 * There is nothing you can do further - rejection means that the page can not become an article. You can try to appeal to the reviewer directly via their Talk Page.  Qcne  (talk)  14:18, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
 * @Adambanks11: every article must demonstrate that the subject is notable, which in most cases means citing sources which satisfy the WP:GNG notability standard. This requires significant coverage of the subject, in multiple secondary sources that are reliable and independent of the subject. Your draft cites no such source. (And in any case, the draft has been rejected.) -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 14:18, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

14:42, 12 September 2023 review of submission by Zabir939
This page is wright for PowerTe CEO. Zabir939 (talk) 14:42, 12 September 2023 (UTC)


 * @Zabir939: I don't know what you just said, but this draft has been rejected and is awaiting deletion. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 14:43, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

14:47, 12 September 2023 review of submission by 102.220.159.102
because everytime we try to create an article about him you guys delete it immediately 102.220.159.102 (talk) 14:47, 12 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I wonder why that is... Could you stop, please? -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 14:52, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

15:33, 12 September 2023 review of submission by Thedirtlover
Well, i was writing this about an event/death about Porshe Crash history Not for the news, its also to make people realize that driving fast, drinking, etc… is bad, i know wiki isnt a news page, but i want to make learn people that Driving fast, etc… is dangerous.

Thank you. Thedirtlover (talk) 15:33, 12 September 2023 (UTC)


 * @Thedirtlover: did you have a question you wanted to ask? As you say, and did the reviewer, Wikipedia is not a news website, it is an encyclopaedia. Besides, your draft is entirely unreferenced. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 15:49, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
 * all i did is write a wikipage about a crash on the Autobahn 14, which i got information from polanddaily24 (news site) and they said to me that wiki is nor a news site, but i tried my best to make it a good page, plus im on a Iphone which annoy me more Thedirtlover (talk) 15:53, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
 * I empathise. I don't like iPhones, either. ;)
 * I've now rejected this draft, so can we leave it at that, please. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 15:55, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
 * dude, that’s why reverse wiki is better Thedirtlover (talk) 16:02, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Then that's where you should go to write about this sort of thing. 331dot (talk) 16:47, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
 * ok boz Thedirtlover (talk) 17:43, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

16:34, 12 September 2023 review of submission by 62.255.128.58
Can you provide more detail on why the referenced sources are not considered reliable enough? 62.255.128.58 (talk) 16:34, 12 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Because five of the seven citations are to works authored or edited by the subject; anyone can say whatever they want about themselves. We need to see what others have said; 'others' meaning secondary sources that are fully independent of the subject, and have a reputation for fact-checking and editorial oversight. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 16:42, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
 * (ec) I think you may have posted this while logged out- remember to log in when posting. I fixed your link(you were missing the "Draft:" portion).  Five of your references are to her own works, which are not an independent source. The rest do not seem to be significant coverage of Alida, showing how she meets the definition of a notable creative professional.  Notability is not inherited by association; if she had an influence on Charlotte Mew, that might be better placed as part of Charlotte Mew, not as a standalone article. 331dot (talk) 16:45, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

17:09, 12 September 2023 review of submission by Lo9999*
Please what can I do about this issue https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:197.148.73.155 Lo9999* (talk) 17:09, 12 September 2023 (UTC)


 * @Lo9999*: you can't, other than maybe wait for the SPI to be done. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 17:17, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

17:28, 12 September 2023 review of submission by Dukology
I need help to tidy up the references to have this article approved Dukology (talk) 17:28, 12 September 2023 (UTC)


 * You have far too many references for such a short draft. As I said in my decline comment, please find the three (And only three) best sources that demonstrate how this person meets the WP:NPEOPLE criteria. The sources must show significant coverage, be reliable, independent, and secondary - not interviews or PR pieces or passing mentions.  Qcne  (talk)  17:32, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
 * (ec) As noted by reviewers, you have too many sources. Fewer high quality sources are preferable to a large number of low quality sources.  Please choose the three best sources you have and summarize those three sources only. 331dot (talk) 17:32, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
 * @Dukology: you have four sentences, and 34 (!!) citations; almost every word is referenced. As the reviewer said already, pick the three strongest. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 17:33, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

17:34, 12 September 2023 review of submission by SaiSanF
I created an article about this artist, originally as a literal translation of the Spanish Wikipedia entry (I have experience as a translator and am interested in DIY/political and feminist art). The draft submission was declined because the article "read more like an advertisement". I fully agreed with that statement: when I started rewriting it, I realized that the original authors had copied and pasted a lot of content (from the references used) that had been posted in gallery websites and cultural media with the intention of promoting the artist's work to get visitors. Thus the "advertisement" tone.

I've done some editing to try to improve the point of view and keep it as neutral as possible. Also, no references are used that have been produced by the subject being discussed. Still, I'm afraid to resubmit because I'm unsure of whether the draft will be declined again and potentially deleted.

I would love to have another pair of experienced eyes take a look at the new version of the article and let me know if it reads like a proper encyclopedia entry, or what is there to improve.

Thanks so much to anyone willing to help out! Really appreciate it. SaiSanF (talk) 17:34, 12 September 2023 (UTC)


 * We don't really do pre-review reviews; the best way to get feedback is to submit it for a review. Drafts are not deleted merely for being declined or even rejected. 331dot (talk) 17:42, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

17:48, 12 September 2023 review of submission by People for all
Because I keep making changes to this page, and its never getting approved. I want this page to be published as soon as possible. People for all (talk) 17:48, 12 September 2023 (UTC)


 * @People for all: why ASAP? Wikipedia is not edited to a deadline.
 * In any case, this draft has been rejected and will therefore not be considered further. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 17:51, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Please see your user talk page for important information requiring a response. 331dot (talk) 17:55, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

23:42, 12 September 2023 review of submission by DerekTheAnonymousWriter
Why was it rejected, and I have nowhere else to upload it too. DerekTheAnonymousWriter (talk) 23:42, 12 September 2023 (UTC)


 * The reason for rejection was given by the reviewer. 331dot (talk) 00:32, 13 September 2023 (UTC)